I will fix the body block issue

[Yawkley]

Obviously body uppercuts are the scourge of enjoyable online matches at the moment, body shots in general are to easy to go for with no real ability to punish body spam. I offer my humble opinion on how the devs can go about changing this.

1. Increased vulnerability when throwing body shots.
Obviously irl fighters don't spam body shots bc they'd get knocked out instantly. It would be nice to counter body shots with uppercuts, but really any head punch should do big damage against someone winding up a body shot. Yes retreating jabs/straights are ok against body shots, but they don't do enough damage to discourage spam. You have to do the backstep straight everytime to get out of there but it will rarely ever rock an opponent.

2. The block system needs fixing. Body uppers go straight through the low block and body hooks seem only partially affected. My proposal is to have the low block stop body uppercuts and straights 100% of the time. I think its fine for body hooks to get around the sides of the low guard. I'd have hooks be blocked by not holding block at all. With your hands low and at your sides you should be in a good position to catch hooks while leaving your center midsection and head unprotected. I'd also like to see the high guard be less effective against uppercuts to the head. Head uppercuts are the hardest to land so I'd like to have them split the guard to give more options to open up passive fighters. The low block already does defend against head uppercuts as well.

3. Reduce damage on body uppercuts relative to hooks and head punches. While I'd like to see damage go up in general, body uppercuts are simply too damaging in relation to other punches. Tone it down. If the first 2 options aren't feasibly in the short or long term, then I'd simply turn the damage way down on body uppers. If we're going to have a long range guard-penetrating punch in this game then it ought to do less damage than other punches, not more.

[Darth NVious]

- add small probability of accidental low blow (like in real life)

[Boss weapons!]

Body uppers are so annoyingly good because right now nine out of ten situations there's simply no downsides throwing them. A good first step would probably be just making head hits more dangerous to begin with.

They slip through the guard almost always, even while trying to actively block them properly, and hits to the head don't matter enough to make attempting them dangerous at all, not even mentioning how amazing their reach is. Even against the AI body uppers are probably the best punch to throw and will win every match for you regardless of the difficulty if you abuse them.

[advokat]

It is necessary to increase the health of the corps for all fighters to 80+. And you need to add the possibility of a knockout with one power punch.

[Yawkley]

Originally posted by Boss weapons!:

Body uppers are so annoyingly good because right now nine out of ten situations there's simply no downsides throwing them. A good first step would probably be just making head hits more dangerous to begin with.

They slip through the guard almost always, even while trying to actively block them properly, and hits to the head don't matter enough to make attempting them dangerous at all, not even mentioning how amazing their reach is. Even against the AI body uppers are probably the best punch to throw and will win every match for you regardless of the difficulty if you abuse them.

A big advantage to body uppers is that they're hard to counter. Good players look to counter against any punch on their guard but body upper's go through the guard! So few counter opportunities. They really need to do something about it in the next patch. It ruins the fun of the game even if you can beat the body upper spam.

[Rdizz]

Why are people so obsessed with "body spammers"... Just move away, or block? I've seen people say its unblockable, I have just not run into that I am able to block the body uppercuts. If someone is spamming body shots you can really punish them. Most of my wins come from these body spammers tbh.

Now I do get it makes the matches somewhat meh and predictable, but that's just it your opponent becomes predictable and you know exactly what they are going to do so how is it you are getting beat by this?

I dunno I just haven't had an issue with it, All though I do admit it makes the match boring and not fun for sure... But so does so many other things like the lack of visual effects after taking 1000 punches to the face, or the fact there is no ref in the ring or the constant spinning of the screen or the 4% every round, the super slow motion punching even with 90% on your stamina bar, The cheaters/hacking programs, THe peer 2 peer the constant disconnects, the score cards making no sense at times, how you can land 140 power punches and not even daze your opponent... I mean the list keeps going on and on and i feel like this body punching is the bottom of the list.

[Yawkley]

Originally posted by Rdizz:

Why are people so obsessed with "body spammers"... Just move away, or block? I've seen people say its unblockable, I have just not run into that I am able to block the body uppercuts. If someone is spamming body shots you can really punish them. Most of my wins come from these body spammers tbh.

Now I do get it makes the matches somewhat meh and predictable, but that's just it your opponent becomes predictable and you know exactly what they are going to do so how is it you are getting beat by this?

I dunno I just haven't had an issue with it, All though I do admit it makes the match boring and not fun for sure... But so does so many other things like the lack of visual effects after taking 1000 punches to the face, or the fact there is no ref in the ring or the constant spinning of the screen or the 4% every round, the super slow motion punching even with 90% on your stamina bar, The cheaters/hacking programs, THe peer 2 peer the constant disconnects, the score cards making no sense at times, how you can land 140 power punches and not even daze your opponent... I mean the list keeps going on and on and i feel like this body punching is the bottom of the list.

You said it yourself that body spam makes matches boring. It distorts the game, yes you can win by staying on your bicycle and abusing the backstep straight. Every ranked match features heavy abuse of the body uppercut. Lots of issues need fixed but I think the body shot problem is really dragging the game down at the moment.

[Rdizz]

Originally posted by Yawkley:

Originally posted by Rdizz:

Why are people so obsessed with "body spammers"... Just move away, or block? I've seen people say its unblockable, I have just not run into that I am able to block the body uppercuts. If someone is spamming body shots you can really punish them. Most of my wins come from these body spammers tbh.

Now I do get it makes the matches somewhat meh and predictable, but that's just it your opponent becomes predictable and you know exactly what they are going to do so how is it you are getting beat by this?

I dunno I just haven't had an issue with it, All though I do admit it makes the match boring and not fun for sure... But so does so many other things like the lack of visual effects after taking 1000 punches to the face, or the fact there is no ref in the ring or the constant spinning of the screen or the 4% every round, the super slow motion punching even with 90% on your stamina bar, The cheaters/hacking programs, THe peer 2 peer the constant disconnects, the score cards making no sense at times, how you can land 140 power punches and not even daze your opponent... I mean the list keeps going on and on and i feel like this body punching is the bottom of the list.

You said it yourself that body spam makes matches boring. It distorts the game, yes you can win by staying on your bicycle and abusing the backstep straight. Every ranked match features heavy abuse of the body uppercut. Lots of issues need fixed but I think the body shot problem is really dragging the game down at the moment.

Maybe, But for me personally i just think its low on the priority list only because i also feel its easily beat.

And if it was some how fixed/removed then it will just be something else, Remember before the body spam it was hook spam. It will always be a sort of spam and those work from the start then people figure out how to beat it. I think the natural fix here is to beat it and we will see it slowly fade away on its own.

Certain boxers its almost a must like the super undersized Rocky... In most cases body shots is about all you can do against someone who is 6'7" <-- and this is the real problem, If i play Rocky vs Fury or Deonte then someone will just say I won because i was a body spammer... The thing is it would just be a strat due to the massive reach and size difference.

[Tr3m0r]

Originally posted by Yawkley:

Originally posted by Rdizz:

Why are people so obsessed with "body spammers"... Just move away, or block? I've seen people say its unblockable, I have just not run into that I am able to block the body uppercuts. If someone is spamming body shots you can really punish them. Most of my wins come from these body spammers tbh.

Now I do get it makes the matches somewhat meh and predictable, but that's just it your opponent becomes predictable and you know exactly what they are going to do so how is it you are getting beat by this?

I dunno I just haven't had an issue with it, All though I do admit it makes the match boring and not fun for sure... But so does so many other things like the lack of visual effects after taking 1000 punches to the face, or the fact there is no ref in the ring or the constant spinning of the screen or the 4% every round, the super slow motion punching even with 90% on your stamina bar, The cheaters/hacking programs, THe peer 2 peer the constant disconnects, the score cards making no sense at times, how you can land 140 power punches and not even daze your opponent... I mean the list keeps going on and on and i feel like this body punching is the bottom of the list.

You said it yourself that body spam makes matches boring. It distorts the game, yes you can win by staying on your bicycle and abusing the backstep straight. Every ranked match features heavy abuse of the body uppercut. Lots of issues need fixed but I think the body shot problem is really dragging the game down at the moment.

No not every match is a used on ranked and not every good player abuses it. It’s something that could be balanced along with other things and it just happens to be ranking highly on many peoples competitive play complaints this week more than last week. It’s not something that was changed last patch from what I remember. You say yourself that people can win by doing X and Y but it still isn’t fair. Well perhaps it’s what you currently don’t care about because uppers aren’t being used in your meta. About 90% don’t even use more than a few uppercuts per game. It’s usually just hooks and straights and then jabs and powers. I focus a lot on blocking and I just played a very very cheap online ranked against Martinez who spammed a body upper cut and straight right or jab. Nearly only those two punches. I lost…but I was a worse player and I also picked up on the strat just a tad too late (counter the speed was more challenging). But it gets easier. And easier.

I feel like people just assume the cheapest strats are only conducted by low tier players but the only players I’m struggling with at times seem to be the top 1%-5% which overall are those on the leader board or really good records. Again, I’m FOR balance and not saying it is not worth balancing but it’s not a game breaker. You CAN block them and I think it’s a false narrative saying they cannot be blocked. Therefore, serious af question, what am I missing when everyone says they are unblockable?

[Yawkley]

Do you honestly think body uppercuts are in a good spot right now? Its the most damaging punch and the easiest to land. Its the best way to win points, its the best way to score knockdowns, its by far the best way to deplete your opponents stamina. Only knock on it is you can't throw it moving backwards. Of course there are ways to beat it, there were plenty of ways to beat hook spam. The point is that it distorts the entire match. Its insanely unrealistic to march forwards throwing 50 body shots a round with no setup. That should get you knocked out. I love body shots, I just want them balanced properly for the sake of my enjoyment.

[Tr3m0r]

I don’t have a strong opinion on spamming as I don’t spam nor am bothered when I lose str8 up to any str8 up player spamming or not. As for blocking I can’t say it’s in the best state right now. I think it needs work. I think a lot needs work and hope a patch is coming sooner than later.

[PsiloMushBin]

you got to back step and do a quarter flick roll on the right stick and you will block 85-90% of them if you just stand there and hold blocking your head and or stand and try to just hit down on the right stick they get threw. i wish people would learn this and not fear a few body uppercuts and start running in panic mode. get better my boy.

[Tr3m0r]

Thinking out loud, instead of weird judging that definitely is off quite regularly, it would be cool to have level be correlated to actual skill metric. Like if one could lose the fight but could be rated separately using a variety of metrics indicative of skill (easier said than done I know). A player could receive a separate skill score post fight even bypassing the person that won the fight which could be mentioned in commentary and heard in booing the winner. It would diversify how people may choose to play a competitive fight. A rough example is accuracy and crowd reacting boxing accurate combos and punches like counters and dazes may lose to a slightly less accurate but higher punch landed and forward aggressive spammer that did more body damage but received more face damage.

That’s actually kinda a dope rough draft idea I just thought of lol.

[DEBEASMAGAV]

SIMPLE DEVASTATING COUNTER HEAD UPPERCUTT

[Tr3m0r]

Originally posted by DEBEASMAGAV:

SIMPLE DEVASTATING COUNTER HEAD UPPERCUTT

What are you referencing? Btw I played you twice the other day or two ago. You beat me twice. Definitely one of the best people I have played against by far.

[Yawkley]

Originally posted by TRASH_YOUR_TVz:

you got to back step and do a quarter flick roll on the right stick and you will block 85-90% of them if you just stand there and hold blocking your head and or stand and try to just hit down on the right stick they get threw. i wish people would learn this and not fear a few body uppercuts and start running in panic mode. get better my boy.

This poster throws 50 body uppercuts a round because its such a well-balanced punch. And he still can't beat my Dalton Smith