Great and Difficult game. Pointers inside to help people.

[Shadow4869]

Howdy all. This game is really great. If you like the old FIght night Games you will like this.
It's hard, The servers do have lag issues which has gotten MUCH better in the couple weeks since launch with updates. and finally this game promotes SMART boxing to be able to win.
I've had about 5 disconects in over 40 hours. The worst one was right before a fight with a dev:( I was so excited to box a dev and heartbroken when it crashed lol!!!!
I have not run into many cheaters. Maybe 5 in over 100 fights so it's not a big problem.

Anyways on the to pointers.
I'll start with spammers. I for one love fighting them at this point because I know it's an easy win. Spammers generally try about 3 to 5 hooks from the same hand in a row. Just block, move out of the way. Most of the time they stop moving when they do it so they gas themselves out by round 3. by about round 5 the entire animation of whatever is being spammed is slowed down a bit and easy to counter by then.

Spammer wins action list.

Block, move out the way.
hit the body once or twice and get out, let them hit the air.
Toss a jab to interrupt, slow down the spam hits.

When you do this you end up winning with darn near 90% stamina. I've had 100% stamina at round 5 when they finally were gassed and then started tearing em up. ended fight with around 80%

Stamina management.
try to not let your stamina drop below half at all!!!!
I mean while you are tossing punches out there keep your stamina ABOVE HALF! when you get around half back out. your punches are stronger this way and you are not gassing yourself ever. You will easily be at round 8 with 80% or higher stamina. When you do this you also have higher accuracy.

Don't throw punches into the air! Shadowboxing is MUCH more draining on the body in real life and in the game than actually hitting something. When shadow boxing you use muscles to throw the punch and then to stop the punch and pull it back. A punch the lands just uses the forward muscles and not the stopping muscles. You will drain stamina VERY fast hitting air!

I'm not the best fighter, don't have the highest amount of fights, only like 75-32-2 record or so at the moment. I had trouble for the first 60 or so fights until I started really figure out the movement and what others do. Use your head and you will do better.

Do not headhunt!!!!!
If you just throw punches to the head you leave your opponent with stamina. They are able to block head punches easy, your are predictable when you do this.

Most people I fight throw less than 5o to 100 punches to the body in a 12 round fight. I'll have about 60/40 head to body punches. Throw the body punches early to gas em and work the face later. I might have 150 to 350 body punches landed and 250 to 550 head punches landed in a fight.

Cheater talk.....
I've seen people try to use an instant daze cheat and it backfired on em cause it worked for me too lol! needless to say it was an easy fight. That same person used an instant get up cheat. I knocked em down 16 times in 4 rounds and they were only down for a 0 to 3 count lol. They never did hit me.
I have not seen a stamina cheat at all..... I've suspected a couple of times but I ended up winning so I don't know. I'm sure people have thought I am using a stamina cheat because I start unloading after round 8.... But I played slow for 8 rounds and countered/ blocked a bunch. Started unloading after they slowed down and got really predictable.

Overall I think most of the complaining about this game is because it's difficult, it's realistic and you can't just 1 punch ko someone.

My only real complaint at the moment is the online match making. people with less than 10 fights should not be fighting with someone that has over 100 fights. Especially with over a 2 to 1 win ratio. I actually feel bad for most of em. Other than that people leaving within 3 to 4 rounds because you outboxed em and gassed em out or have 12 to 20 counters already.

Note to the devs from an adult.
Please keep going with the direction your are currently. It's a fantastic game and I can't wait for make a fighter, career mode and a little better matchmaking, This truly is a great start for early access and keep it up guys! ps: WIsh I could box you guys haha!

[verlorensquirrel]

The game's not without its issues but many of the problems people complain about have more to do with them not being familiar with the intended tactics. Basically they want it to be rock'em sock'em robots. This is particular true for people complaining about stamina and I can tell you from experience that if you're a player, such as myself, who is excellent at maintaining stamina, they basically just tell you you're playing wrong. They all want to be Tyson, they all want to be sluggers, forgetting that all the most successful sluggers in history were the hardest hitter's humanity's ever known; mediocre sluggers got outboxed consistently.

And that's what makes 90% of the player base so easy to beat - not only do they refuse to think, thinking is regarded as inherently unmanly. So of course they complain about it - everyone complains when they lose. They say crap like "x thing isn't realistic" and while the game isn't perfectly realistic, it's clear these guys knowledge of boxing seems to be primarily comprised of Youtube knockout highlights. They've heard of the Rumble in the Jungle and the Thrilla in Manila but have apparently never watched them.

Game needs a lot of polish but so many of the complaints boil down to "I'm too stubborn or impatient or just plain dumb to play it right" and I avoid saying that more often because I don't feel like arguing with these guys any more than I already do.

[Shadow4869]

haha I completely agree. That's why I posted this up. I hope that new people coming in can read this and realise that if you play smart and put the time in to learn the game, how the boxers move, the tells and such that it's very easy to beat most people or have a really really good fight that you are happy you won/lost or even tied!
I just hope the devs don't take most of the complaining to heart and try to turn this into rock em sockem robots lol!

[UmSpagett]

The game needs a lot of work, which should be obvious, but what's here is still the skeleton of a top notch boxing game. On the highest difficulty levels in all of the Fight Night games I couldn't get a real challenge from the CPU after a certain point. I've played stupid in this game and gotten ko'd fast by lesser fighters in the single player of Undisputed. With tweaking, a career mode, more boxers, a replay mode, better knockdown physics (full game stuff), it'll be easily the best boxing game ever.

Playing against Sugar Ray Leonard felt like fighting a buzzsaw, which is what I'd imagine fighting him in real life during his WW prime was like. That alone tells me they're on the right track.

[Shadow4869]

Originally posted by UmSpagett:

The game needs a lot of work, which should be obvious, but what's here is still the skeleton of a top notch boxing game. On the highest difficulty levels in all of the Fight Night games I couldn't get a real challenge from the CPU after a certain point. I've played stupid in this game and gotten ko'd fast by lesser fighters in the single player of Undisputed. With tweaking, a career mode, more boxers, a replay mode, better knockdown physics (full game stuff), it'll be easily the best boxing game ever.

Playing against Sugar Ray Leonard felt like fighting a buzzsaw, which is what I'd imagine fighting him in real life during his WW prime was like. That alone tells me they're on the right track.

I still have not won a prize fight on the hardest difficulty. I was happy as hell when I lasted 6 rounds once! Fight nights hard mode was about like medium prize fight here.

[mojitsuu]

"Great game"...unbelievable.

The length gamers go to justify ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. No wonder gaming industry constantly spits in our face...because we just accept it.

This game is early access with unbalanced gameplay and broken fundamentals. Please STOP being delusional.

[BigKadoLB]

This game is garbage in its current state..... Early Access era of gaming can eat a D1ck....

[T3jkr]

Originally posted by Shadow4869:

a really really good fight that you are happy you won/lost or even tied!

People want to win regardless the quality of a match itself. They rather regress to exploiting or cheating to experience victory. I don't care about that little dopamine surge and rather lose after thirty minutes of both of us taking it (kind of) seriously.
That kind of people who would put nails in their gloves to secure a win, but probably put them the other way around anyway.
And then you can just see the frustration in posts of people who can't learn the basics and failed exploiting. You can tell it by their overly exaggerated superficial absolutes. Often needlessly rude as well, because we all giggle when we say ♥♥♥♥.

[verlorensquirrel]

Originally posted by Shadow4869:

Originally posted by UmSpagett:

The game needs a lot of work, which should be obvious, but what's here is still the skeleton of a top notch boxing game. On the highest difficulty levels in all of the Fight Night games I couldn't get a real challenge from the CPU after a certain point. I've played stupid in this game and gotten ko'd fast by lesser fighters in the single player of Undisputed. With tweaking, a career mode, more boxers, a replay mode, better knockdown physics (full game stuff), it'll be easily the best boxing game ever.

Playing against Sugar Ray Leonard felt like fighting a buzzsaw, which is what I'd imagine fighting him in real life during his WW prime was like. That alone tells me they're on the right track.

I still have not won a prize fight on the hardest difficulty. I was happy as hell when I lasted 6 rounds once! Fight nights hard mode was about like medium prize fight here.

I've only done one Prize Fight on the hardest difficulty and I did win it but I learned early on that you have to stay the hell away for the first few rounds and let them get exhausted. CPU hits like a freight train on that level. It's one area where you definitely shouldn't feel bad doing a little body spamming.

[verlorensquirrel]

Originally posted by T3jkr:

Originally posted by Shadow4869:

a really really good fight that you are happy you won/lost or even tied!

People want to win regardless the quality of a match itself. They rather regress to exploiting or cheating to experience victory. I don't care about that little dopamine surge and rather lose after thirty minutes of both of us taking it (kind of) seriously.
That kind of people who would put nails in their gloves to secure a win, but probably put them the other way around anyway.
And then you can just see the frustration in posts of people who can't learn the basics and failed exploiting. You can tell it by their overly exaggerated superficial absolutes. Often needlessly rude as well, because we all giggle when we say ♥♥♥♥.

Hard to put much stock into the opinions of people who refer to a game they've put about 60 hours or more into as "Unplayable."

[Rdizz]

I love the comment how the "servers" have gotten much better....

The trick is to realize there are no servers.

[UmSpagett]

Originally posted by Shadow4869:

Originally posted by UmSpagett:

The game needs a lot of work, which should be obvious, but what's here is still the skeleton of a top notch boxing game. On the highest difficulty levels in all of the Fight Night games I couldn't get a real challenge from the CPU after a certain point. I've played stupid in this game and gotten ko'd fast by lesser fighters in the single player of Undisputed. With tweaking, a career mode, more boxers, a replay mode, better knockdown physics (full game stuff), it'll be easily the best boxing game ever.

Playing against Sugar Ray Leonard felt like fighting a buzzsaw, which is what I'd imagine fighting him in real life during his WW prime was like. That alone tells me they're on the right track.

I still have not won a prize fight on the hardest difficulty. I was happy as hell when I lasted 6 rounds once! Fight nights hard mode was about like medium prize fight here.

Is there anything different about prize fight mode? I've been mostly just playing exhibitions on simulation/undisputed. The go-to strategy is guarding your body a ton, countering with body uppercuts, then working up to the head. Its weird though, you can wail on an opponents body and they cant counter well, but its like auto parry when you aim for the head. Need to fix that.

[EZPZGGWP]

Agree, spammers are beaten by whiff-punishers, just like in any other fighting games.

[verlorensquirrel]

Originally posted by UmSpagett:

Originally posted by Shadow4869:

I still have not won a prize fight on the hardest difficulty. I was happy as hell when I lasted 6 rounds once! Fight nights hard mode was about like medium prize fight here.

Is there anything different about prize fight mode? I've been mostly just playing exhibitions on simulation/undisputed. The go-to strategy is guarding your body a ton, countering with body uppercuts, then working up to the head. Its weird though, you can wail on an opponents body and they cant counter well, but its like auto parry when you aim for the head. Need to fix that.

The prize fights are generally tougher and require that you use a certain boxer, against a certain boxer, under certain parameters, such as starting 4 rounds into the fight with you having lost all those rounds. And I think you're only allowed to get knocked down so many times. The CPU also hits like a brick on those modes, especially the highest one.

[AlfaGunner]

mainly spoilt brats complain here....devs please ignore them and keep the sim direction strong...tweaks and new moves badly needed...for instance no point in bringing Mike Tyson without his forward movements the scary fast bob and weave!

[Shadow4869]

Originally posted by ReekyHavoc:

Originally posted by Shadow4869:

haha I completely agree. That's why I posted this up. I hope that new people coming in can read this and realise that if you play smart and put the time in to learn the game, how the boxers move, the tells and such that it's very easy to beat most people or have a really really good fight that you are happy you won/lost or even tied!
I just hope the devs don't take most of the complaining to heart and try to turn this into rock em sockem robots lol!

Please post a video of yourself playing Online Ranked.

You're giving a lot of advice, that would be obvious to any person that's played a boxing/ MMA game.

You also said you've went from 30-30 to 75-32-2, by boxing how you're suppose to.
I don't believe you. This game doesn't currently reward boxing IQ and stick skill.

I haven't had video capture software on a pc in about 7 years lol. I'll look into it this weekend. I think I still have my old youtube account that I posted some tutorials for a different game years ago. Any ideas other than youtube to post a video like this?

Also a couple of questions for you.
Do you want 1, 2 or 3 fights?
Do you want a fight against a spammer?
Do you want me to show starting the game and going right in to show no cheats used? (cause I usually do a prize fight to warm up)
Do you want me to talk through my thought processes during a fight? This would be hard but I can try lol!

I have no problem showing that you can most certainly out box someone by utilizing stick skill and counters w/o just hiding behind a block. If they block the head primarily use body shots to open the head up, counter the punches and do dmg that way. Figure out the punch rotation that they use and block, counter it.