Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel

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The Problem With Yugioh Master Duel
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D/D/D Dec 17, 2024 @ 6:50am 
Can't you like just type what happened instead of directing us to a channel for traffic?
Originally posted by leo:
Can't you like just type what happened instead of directing us to a channel for traffic?
Look, I can respect that if you don't want to spend the time to watch a video, I question why you spend time here but that's your freedom.

But if you truly didn't care to watch a video, then you wouldn't care to type out a response complaining that I didn't feed you a tldr version. The world doesn't always work in your favour.

Watch the video for the entire context (they're pretty good). For the most part, I won't do it justice if I typed out what's going on.

The first video is about the predatory design of the UR system.

The 2nd video, a short, is how one guy spent 180k USD on one deck.
76561199378662608 Dec 17, 2024 @ 7:09am 
And there's me who jumping like crazy for generating a glossy finish (N & R don't count). :steamsad:
¿¡Kloey!?² Dec 17, 2024 @ 7:31am 
To actually summarize both videos, the first one basically is someone's detailed experience and a decent look to the monetization, aka the card pulling systems from both Duel Links but more specifically in this case Master Duel and it's issues with it (which there are certainly a few.)

My personal opinion is that gems are priced way too high for what they are worth and to spend money when just an event and collecting missions and knocking them out once in a while, which can net you just as much with little to no effort if your patient enough is on the buyer. HOWEVER they make very valid points about certain cards being in different packs, packs not always being available once you've unlocked them and sometimes the amount of URs you actually need to make a deck, even for cards that probably aren't worth the rarity. Also how some packs containing newer cards get taken out of the shop to instill a sense of FOMO of the ease of obtaining those cards from pulling months down the line. From my experience I think the ridiculous and arguably criminal price of gems is offset by the gracious crafting system cause from other tcg games I've played, while there is technically 'less' to pull from, you are usually pulling from everything that's included in that pack which may contain entirely different cards you don't want or will even use, and I bring this up because those games usually won't GIVE you any materials to craft with unless you've already obtained a whole set of a specific card or you managed to pull and get the material to craft with like in the case of MTG.

While I am not so sympathetic to the individual in question because this seems like a hobby job for him considering THIS is the video that you are introduced to when you go to his channel https://youtu.be/iaAHWelkAZM?si=jtSZf69SYqE0IpDV. I do feel for f2p players who don't have the time or money that burn their early resources that didn't know any better. Not to mention by his own admission he never has enough saved up and often has to purchase gems in excess because he plays multiple decks, and when he does he often get's screwed over by RNG but without a detailed sheet of every one of his pulls, it could just be a case of negativity bias. He also does this for entertainment purposes so it's no wonder he never has enough and sometimes he has to buy more. It's hard to find where his criticisms are valid between where it's just him wanting to save more money so he can make more money making content that he more than likely makes money from but that in no way does that make the points he has made any less important to be discussed.

I do find it a tad disingenuous to compare someone's experience with RNG to a video making a lighthearted funny video highlighting a player that spent a TON of money, not on the deck, but to make the deck completely royal because they really love that deck which means getting the materials to craft the same cards over and over and over and over. If they actually spent that huge amount of money then that's their prerogative. I think it's more than silly, to spend that much on a virtual card game that may one day shut down but I hope it's out of love for the deck and not an addiction that wasn't reigned in.
Thain Dec 17, 2024 @ 8:05am 
Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:
https://youtu.be/q0f6ICiL7Hg

He is a YT-er. He creates topic (or in this case questionable criticism aka stir poo) to drive views to his channel to increase ads revenue.

I skip parts of the video. Of the parts I listen, one of the complain I heard was spending USD$100 to get 14 UR and not all 14 UR are what he wants. :steamfacepalm: Is he implying that if a person were to spend USD$100 on physical booster packs instead, the person will guarantee to get the UR or SE or QCSE of the archetype that person wants? For example, using the latest product CROSSOVER BREAKERS. If I only want Ryzeal, will the packs I opened all contain Ryzeal only? OR do I need to open 3 QCSE to have a chance that 1 card is Ryzeal? Pointing at a 'problem' not exclusive to MD or even to YGO is just silly and didn't bother to continue listen in full. Does other card games not have this 'problem'?

Side question, how many booster box can you buy with $100 and what is the rarity ratio in each box/case?
Last edited by Thain; Dec 17, 2024 @ 8:26am
76561199378662608 Dec 17, 2024 @ 8:17am 
Nah I like Ruxin but I never agree with his take on the game because his channel only focusing on opening tcg packs and he admitted that he rarely playing master duel. If he actually spend the time do at least the minimum requirement he won't need to spend money on the game because he never play meta only play goat format with his friends.
Silyon Dec 17, 2024 @ 9:48am 
Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:
Originally posted by leo:
Can't you like just type what happened instead of directing us to a channel for traffic?
Look, I can respect that if you don't want to spend the time to watch a video, I question why you spend time here but that's your freedom.

Problem is plugging a video without any of your own takes from said video. A URL alone is a shameless plug, even if you're not the creator of the video in question. Fair assessment, probably not but that's what happens after many years of content creators doing everything they can think of to farm ad revenue.

Far as the videos themselves go, we know. As a F2P player, I find it frankly insane that anyone would spend a dime on Master Duel, especially with how generous it is with free gems. A month's worth of daily playing, you're 90% of the way towards building any deck you want. The only reason to spend is if you want that deck NOW, or if you want to splurge for a bunch of cosmetics, especially Royal-Rares. It's unnessasary at best.
dark-lord21 Dec 17, 2024 @ 12:41pm 
Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM6L6wz4F6c

And then there's this guy.

Yeah that player is literaly insane but not in the good way,but the never give this person money or any currency,just to flex?in the end its nothing but pixels its worth nothing
Soji Dec 17, 2024 @ 1:52pm 
Originally posted by Thain:
Side question, how many booster box can you buy with $100 and what is the rarity ratio in each box/case?
it depends on the type of set it is, but typically for base sets they're around 70 usd MSRP but you'll rarely find them for that price really, you'll be able to get them for around 80 or 90. Sometimes even more than 100. Ratios are usually 1-2 secret rares and 6-8 ultra rares and 1 super rare per pack, per box now.
Last edited by Soji; Dec 17, 2024 @ 1:53pm
Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:
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One point you may have not addressed is that MD is getting pretty close to the real life game in progress, which further incentivizes K-sha to not make the game more generous.

Even if the system itself won't change, you can almost bet k-sha would eventually increase the price of gems because muh inflation excuse.

And it's also interesting that the past decade and a half we've been conditioned to deem Master Rule's system to be acceptable, especially after the terribly worse duel links.
¿¡Kloey!?² Dec 17, 2024 @ 6:33pm 
Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:
Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:
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One point you may have not addressed is that MD is getting pretty close to the real life game in progress, which further incentivizes K-sha to not make the game more generous.

Even if the system itself won't change, you can almost bet k-sha would eventually increase the price of gems because muh inflation excuse.

And it's also interesting that the past decade and a half we've been conditioned to deem Master Rule's system to be acceptable, especially after the terribly worse duel links.
That is a good point, the only thing I can say in response is I hope it doesn't get to that point where it gets worse. Honestly I would say it's already getting there with the amount of URs they are expecting people to get for these decks in general.

And I've said this before but I believe MDs is one of the most generous comparison wise. It sure ain't perfect but I've had a miserable time trying to make decks in other games that are based off of a physical product.
FlintX Dec 17, 2024 @ 7:12pm 
Problem with Yugioh is that it takes forever. A turn can take from 5 to 10 min long if the idiots keep doing combos over and over with their garbage meta decks to fill the entire field with omninegates. Too many cards with too many effects and little cost.

They said the game evolved into this cringe combo fest so that matches could be faster, instead of the "old summon, attack and pass uga buga", but ironically it became even more slower considering how long meta clowns take playing solitaire with their decks before finally passing their turns. And when they are finally done they can still play during your turn depending of the cancer deck they are using. Just genius game design.
Trading Card game they call it huh?
Last edited by FlintX; Dec 17, 2024 @ 7:14pm
Kaulu Dec 17, 2024 @ 9:38pm 
It's been said multiple times over that the gems cost too much, but that if you play regularly and don't pull every single secret/selection pack you should have plenty of resources to make new decks every month or so. You should never be buying gems. The hardest part is when you are building up a supply of staples. Hell last night I threw 150 UR dust at what will likely be a deck I won't keep just because I wanted to make something with Power Angel Valkyria and Protecting Spirit Loagaeth. It's so much easier to make decks in MD than it is in Duel Links and especially compared to paper. I poked at the new pokemon mobile game and I was surprised by how bad it's crafting system was compared to MD's. Between the decent gem acquisition via monthly rank climbing and events, as well as daily missions, and the decent crafting system MD only really falls short to free sims when it comes to ease of deck building.
Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:
That is a good point, the only thing I can say in response is I hope it doesn't get to that point where it gets worse. Honestly I would say it's already getting there with the amount of URs they are expecting people to get for these decks in general.

And I've said this before but I believe MDs is one of the most generous comparison wise. It sure ain't perfect but I've had a miserable time trying to make decks in other games that are based off of a physical product.
If we look back at some of the cards that were here since the beginning, I guarantee a lot of SRs and even Rs would be URs if they came out today.
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