Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel

Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel

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The Rotten Dec 16, 2024 @ 3:27pm
What happened to Yu-Gi-Oh?
Note: i mainly play on PS5. Just thought i post this since I'm on my PC at the moment.

What is up with the way people play this game?

Everyone does the same stuff. They play the same decks. They take forever to do everything. There are some of the most unfair cards ever that people can bring out on their first turn when going first. Wins them the duel unless you are on purpose looking to screw them over and ruin their good time.

Nobody experiments. They all look up guides to make lame decks with no soul that suck the fun out of the game.

I have to play anti-meta "bully" decks and slow the game down to a crawl where they aren't allowed to do anything at all. And I do win much more than I lose. But it's not fun. Not even a little bit. More fun than playing the game legitimately in any way.

Also, too many lame-ass anime girl cards. I know it has always been part of the series. But it was never this cringe and cancerous. A grown man playing a deck with little anime girls in it needs to be investigated by the FBI immediately. A young girl is free from criticism there. But we all know it is creepy massively overweight or underweight dudes that need a shower and need to get a girlfriend. That is the average card game player and we all know it.

If they had various classic modes available at all times, the game would actually be great for those that haven't drank the kool-aid of modern, boring, long-ass-turn Yu-Gi-Oh. The people fine with how things are can stay there away from normal people.

Edit: These replies have been entertaining. Love you guys.
Until then, I'll just play with my friends without all the BS of the main game. It's a shame, because the game itself is of a really high quality.

Thanks for reading my rant. If you disagree, you do you. I'm sure your comments will stick in my mind for decades and keep me up at night and not just go in one ear and out the other. I know there are plenty of people that feel the same as me. Maybe not about the anime girl thing. Probably feel personally attacked.

But, OG fans should get more support instead of a short-term event. Permanent modes that bring the game back to it's former glory. The option should be there.
Last edited by The Rotten; Dec 18, 2024 @ 9:06pm
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e-dood Dec 16, 2024 @ 3:40pm 
The only real change in the game since it's inception is that it got faster.

And don't worry, plenty of people want some sort of long term Time Magician style format.
Not gonna bother replying to this entire "Why am I Toxic" topic, just gonna cherry pick a singular paragraph

Originally posted by The Rotten:
Also, too many lame-ass anime girl cards. I know it has always been part of the series. But it was never this cringe and cancerous. A grown man playing a deck with little anime girls in it needs to be investigated by the FBI immediately. A young girl is free from criticism there. But we all know it is creepy massively overweight or underweight dudes that need a shower and need to get a girlfriend. That is the average card game player and we all know it.

You legit need to learn what fiction is before you start lecturing, maybe take your own advice and get a girlfriend?
Papa Shekels Dec 16, 2024 @ 3:47pm 
What happened is that the game and its playerbase have grown over time. If you're used to what it was like 20 years ago, it obviously has changed since then. The eternal format structure gives it stronger whiplash than other card games, but you'd still feel just as lost playing modern magic if your last experience was playing booster drafts at the kitchen table in 2003. The current game is not that different from how it was last year, nor was that very different from how it was in 2022, nor that from 2021, but combining all those differences at once is a different story altogether. There's no sugarcoating it, that's just how the progression of time works.

People experiment regularly, so much so that we have combo guides and deck lists to help people learn within hours of new cards being revealed that continue to be optimized for months or even years afterwards. In fact, this happens so quickly through the hands of so many people that a "standard" version of the deck already gets figured out by the time the cards are printed. The difference is that all of this is public knowledge and shared as a community, rather than only circulating around the playground and gaming magazines. Unless you're familiar enough with what the significance of all those optimizations are, you may not even see any differences, hence why you think it's all the same. If you look up into the night sky, you can't tell the difference between two stars, they're just glowing objects far away that look vaguely similar, you'd need a telescope to tell them apart properly.

The girl part is just weird, you seem to have the internalized assumption that people would only play the deck because they are sexually attracted to the characters on it. So are cyber dragon players also sexually attracted to giant hunks of metal? Are dark magician players lusting after the famed wizard's rod? Or is this just a weird way of self-reporting yourself?

Classic modes are probably the most commonly requested thing, aside from maybe draft formats. Still, there are plenty of ways to play that with people already on unofficial simulators or even in duel rooms in-game. Just requires a little bit of effort to do it yourself. But the vast majority of the time, people complaining about the modern game and asking for a classic one are really complaining about the modern optimizations of a game compared to the playground iteration where nobody knew what they were doing and ended up on equal footing as a result, whereas even in modern versions of the classic game the format will still be optimized from all the people who have already figured it out years ago.

Don't expect this to get read or taken seriously, but if you do, good on you. The frustration of new/returning players feeling alienated from the modern game is not an uncommon one, but it's been discussed to death and back already dozens of times. There really is nothing new to add to the conversation other than explaining why all of this looks the way it does
G3 Dec 16, 2024 @ 4:17pm 
tl:dr

Game is too solved and min-max'd that everyone plays the same cards. And, I don't have the patience to wait for my turn. I'm now a stun player. The characters and creatures depicted on the cards are real and have feelings, identities and, rights. Playing those cards means you have an emotional attachment/attraction to them. "Old" yugioh was better and if you like the current game. You're the problem. I only play with friends.
Last edited by G3; Dec 16, 2024 @ 4:19pm
¿¡Kloey!?² Dec 16, 2024 @ 4:33pm 
Originally posted by The Rotten:
Everyone does the same stuff. They play the same decks. They take forever to do everything. There are some of the most unfair cards ever that people can bring out on their first turn when going first. Wins them the duel unless you are on purpose looking to screw them over and ruin their good time.
There is at least 10 decks that are meta relevant as of right now. Not to mention the fair number of rogue decks that still see play as well. This number of course fluctuates but what you need to understand is that Yugioh has never been a 'fair' game. Dark hole, raigeki, pot of greed, etc. Just because like minded individuals like yourself hold back from trying out and experimenting the decks they think people use to screw everyone over, they deny themselves the possibility to enjoy something NEW and play something that can actually compete but instead wants everything dumb down to their arbitrary level.

Originally posted by The Rotten:
Nobody experiments. They all look up guides to make lame decks with no soul that suck the fun out of the game.
In today's gaming scene, there are so many games, both live service and offline that demands your time. There are so many people with responsibilities that don't have the time, money or resources to go through trial and error, especially in a game that's based off an already existing product where people HAVE ALREADY DONE THE EXPERIMENTING. I have played a handful of games where they had foreign counterparts that were ahead of ours in content so it's no one's fault if we knew what to expect and already know how it works and how to optimize it by the time it releases.

Originally posted by The Rotten:
I have to play anti-meta "bully" decks and slow the game down to a crawl where they aren't allowed to do anything at all. And I do win much more than I lose. But it's not fun. Not even a little bit. More fun than playing the game legitimately in any way.
Serious question, if you aren't having fun, why bother? This is a video game. This is not a job nor is this a responsibility. Why does everyone else have to change the way they play in order to make YOU happy? What makes your happiness more valid than theirs? There are things you can do to play with people in formats and ways to make yourself happy but relying on a company known for sticking it's head into the sand to do that for you is just asking to be disappointed. Take some initiative to enjoy the game how you want to enjoy it. There are communities and completely free with everything unlocked third party simulators that's trusted and has been left alone by Konami for decades at this point. Don't just settle for the shiny option.

Originally posted by The Rotten:
Also, too many lame-ass anime girl cards. I know it has always been part of the series. But it was never this cringe and cancerous. A grown man playing a deck with little anime girls in it needs to be investigated by the FBI immediately. A young girl is free from criticism there. But we all know it is creepy massively overweight or underweight dudes that need a shower and need to get a girlfriend. That is the average card game player and we all know it.
Let people enjoy things. There's nothing explicit (you could make a case of traptrix being in that territory i'll admit but that's kind of the point of the archetype) and Konami has, at least in my fair opinion done a good job matching up art and playstyle to create a story with how a deck plays. What aesthetics you may enjoy and what other aesthetics other people enjoy is on them. If you have a problem with it, these cards already go through customary censorship checks so if they were a problem they would've been dealt with.

Originally posted by The Rotten:
If they had various classic modes available at all times, the game would actually be great for those that haven't drank the kool-aid of modern, boring, long-ass-turn Yu-Gi-Oh. The people fine with how things are can stay there away from normal people.
You're right but somehow decide to once again be disrespectful for no reason other than to vent your frustration. I am one of the usual people that CONSTANTLY talks about introducing various formats and ways to play the game like the other Online TCGs provide and for this game to not have it is unacceptable. But do not conflate what you find fun and boring to the rest of everybody else. You may not know this but Konami just this year apparently has gotten two world records for it's tournament scene https://www.yugioh-card.com/eu/konami-sets-two-new-guinness-world-records-titles-at-yu-gi-oh-championship-series-japan-tokyo-2024/. If people truly did not enjoy this game, it would've died off like so many other tcgs before it but still remains a high grossing franchise both in general and as a card game specifically, go figure. Normal people spend their time enjoying their hobbies, normal people mind their business and normal people certainly don't go out of their way making everyone else the root of their problems while continuing to engage with something they certainly don't have to do.

Originally posted by The Rotten:
Until then, I'll just play with my friends without all the BS of the main game. It's a shame, because the game itself is of a really high quality.
Don't just settle for the shiny corpo option when the community at large cares more about what you want then any business. Until then, maybe playing with friends is for the better for you.

Originally posted by The Rotten:
Thanks for reading my rant. If you disagree, you do you. I'm sure your comments will stick in my mind for decades and keep me up at night and not just go in one ear and out the other.
Please take your own advice, just because you disagree with the modern game, you do you instead of shaming other people for disagreeing.

Originally posted by The Rotten:
I know there are plenty of people that feel the same as me. Maybe not about the anime girl thing. Probably feel personally attacked.
While not personally attacked, I do take offense to senseless shaming of individuals who are trying to have harmless fun. You are free to criticize the modern format but don't belittle the players for not playing in a way you want them to play.

Originally posted by The Rotten:
But, OG fans should get more support instead of a short-term event. Permanent modes that bring the game back to it's former glory. The option should be there.
Once again, I agree with this sentiment (while 'former glory' is completely subjective but hey whatever floats your boat). This game needs more options besides the events. This whole thread could've just been this instead of all that extra unnecessary fluff to vent your frustration.
76561199543893354 Dec 16, 2024 @ 4:55pm 
Originally posted by The Rotten:
Everyone does the same stuff. They play the same decks. They take forever to do everything. There are some of the most unfair cards ever that people can bring out on their first turn when going first.

Nobody experiments. They all look up guides to make lame decks with no soul that suck the fun out of the game.
So far I agree - buuut

Originally posted by The Rotten:
If they had various classic modes available at all times, the game would actually be great for those that haven't drank the kool-aid of modern, boring, long-ass-turn Yu-Gi-Oh.
I don't find classic YGO that much more fun either. Lots of iconic cards like DM/BE and the Egyptian Gods are even less playable there plus it still ends up looking the same when people gets the same blowout staples and stuff like Sangan/Witch of Black forest. Hell, from what I remember from the boomer event with Horus, there is even the same negate cancer.

What I would want instead would be just a 30 second turns option. Everyone still can play w/e they want (aside of some niche examples) but the gap between decks becomes massively reduced while skill and experience become major factors instead of it just being a deck > hand > coin toss check it is now. The impact of unfair cards gets reduced massively too - even if you resolve your 1 card starter, it won't give you a nearly unbeatable board - and it won't take ages of solitaire either to have a duel.
HeraldOfOpera Dec 16, 2024 @ 5:45pm 
Go look up what tournaments were like when you started playing. There was even less variation.
¿¡Kloey!?² Dec 16, 2024 @ 6:02pm 
Actually I have a very good question, what decks ARE you trying to play anyway?
The Quirkless Dec 16, 2024 @ 6:31pm 
While I agree that it's become a lot less fun for those of us who play weaker/less META decks, I do not agree with how you worded the rest of your post.

Do I wish I could win more games more than once in a blue moon? Yes.

Will I play META decks just to win? No. Because playing my favorite cards is what makes the game fun to me.

I do wish this game had alternate modes more often for players like me, but I understand it is how it is.

Insulting the playerbase in any capacity is uncalled for however. At the end of the day, I know we are all here to have fun. We just all have different ways of achieving that fun.

I do hope you have fun with your friends though, OP. I sincerely hope things go better for you.
TNBXIII Dec 17, 2024 @ 12:40pm 
Anime girl sells, that is it. I however would like an occult deck like Bakura with different monster artworks but better and meta. Although, there is gimmick puppets, I do not find them particularly scary.
Soji Dec 17, 2024 @ 2:01pm 
literally every post like this has to talk about how everyone who doesn't play a game like them is a smelly loser. As far as I'm concerned you're all just projecting super hard over something you act like doesn't matter.
Originally posted by TNBXIII:
Anime girl sells, that is it. I however would like an occult deck like Bakura with different monster artworks but better and meta. Although, there is gimmick puppets, I do not find them particularly scary.

So Yubel
Akemua (Banned) Dec 17, 2024 @ 2:08pm 
Originally posted by Soji:
literally every post like this has to talk about how everyone who doesn't play a game like them is a smelly loser. As far as I'm concerned you're all just projecting super hard over something you act like doesn't matter.

It's always projection, always. They're incapable of seeing themselves as a problem, it's always other people.
Astrallight Dec 17, 2024 @ 2:44pm 
No one makes thier own decks anymore because why waste hours checking all the cards when you can find a guide with something that you know works.
¿¡Kloey!?² Dec 18, 2024 @ 5:30am 
Originally posted by Afflicted:
We play games to have fun but holy s*it, master duel is a game where you feel bad despite the outcome of the game. You lost? You probably went second, waited for 10min, your opponent have more interruptions than you have cards in your hand and/or got maxx C'd in the draw phase after full combo. You won? You probably flipped some nasty floodgate, negated everything your opponent tried to do or drew lava golem/very specific out. It just never feels good to play this game.
I mean I certainly have fun out maneuvering and dismantling my opponent's board but okay.

Originally posted by Afflicted:
About "lame-ass anime girl cards" I wish we got more archetypes with actual monsters. No, girls with horns, thigh highs and tails aren't monsters. I get that it existed since the very beginning (dark magician girl ect) but at this point every card must be a anime girl like come on konami. It's lazy. You can do better.
What are you talking about? We get PLENTY of just 'monsters', just because you see an anime girl that's like 1 or 2 out of an archetype or the occasional archetype centered around a or multiple women doesn't mean the game is completely filled with them. Yugioh after a certain point the focus wasn't about random creepy crawly abominations like the first sets were, just look at Toon World, neko gal, gemini elf, the harpie ladies, I could go on. But each archetype tells a story and shows a separate world/universe/reality and how each card interacts with each other in visual storytelling not only from the art but how the deck plays in most cases. Sure, it may not be your cup of tea but not everything is or is going to be. And the sooner you and OP can understand that, I'm sure you guys'll be better off.

Originally posted by Afflicted:
Only thing you didn't mention is how absurd the power creep is in this game. One day decks like tri brigade or sword soul are considered meta and not even year later your meta deck is low tier rogue deck at best.
Would you rather have set rotation to where the power creep is contained but you have less options in what and how you play the game overall?

Originally posted by Afflicted:
Sorry for any mistake I made writing this. I'm not native English speaker. I just noticed how many passive aggressive comments this thread gets and wanted to say there are more people who actually agree with you. Peace o7
This was excellently written, don't worry about that. And it's fine to agree with OP, but when people start acting passive aggressive towards the player base who did nothing to them, they shouldn't be surprised when people start acting passive aggressive back. OP is valid in his current frustrations and want for more classic mode but everything else was just, in their own words, a "rant". Just a means to vent their frustrations and making it our problem instead of making it a review if they didn't want feedback.
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