New Dragon Rulers are going to be a serious, serious problem...

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

So you know all those fun Barrier Statues and other monsters that lock down the opponent and can be special summoned?

Welllllll...

Dragon Rulers are getting a babdy light dragon ruler that does this

(1) You can discard this card and 1 other LIGHT or Dragon monster; add 2 “Dragon Ruler” monsters from your Deck to your hand, except “Spector, Dragon Ruler of Rays”.

So you can add Tidal and Redox to 'foolish burial' a Barrier Statue, then special summon it with Redox while pumping up your grave for follow-ups.

This is Floo 2.0 lol.

[Papa Shekels]

Chimera already sends and revives a barrier statue in-engine and it's not even good enough to warrant over the illusion cards they can use. Meanwhile this is a 4? card combo - spector, a light/dragon discard, an earth discard for redox, a water discard for tidal. All to summon a single barrier statue with no protection and only the dragon ruler follow-up for next turn. Idk man, I don't see this ever being worth doing when they are already getting an actual payoff in the deck

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Chimera already sends and revives a barrier statue in-engine and it's not even good enough to warrant over the illusion cards they can use. Meanwhile this is a 4? card combo - spector, a light/dragon discard, an earth discard for redox, a water discard for tidal. All to summon a single barrier statue with no protection and only the dragon ruler follow-up for next turn. Idk man, I don't see this ever being worth doing when they are already getting an actual payoff in the deck

You should also get a rank 7 with that and potential follow-ups onthe opponent's turn. Dragon Rulers were always about dumping their hand and getting back the advantage later so IDK what your point is...

[TormentedSalad]

Barrier statues are really not hard to summon it's hardly unique any 2 bodies can search the earth one garentee I can utilise lightsworn to do just that along with getting all of the others if I wanted to

[cybercybercybercyber4]

doesnt use the normal, grants a +5 on super reju, creates a lock, sets up the grave for follow up, its just a single teched earth statue that might also be redox fodder or just the normal summon if drawn. kinda comboes with the new S/T negating XYZ to prevent the statue from getting impermed. we still have stuff like destrudo/darkwurm/eclipse to lower the cost a little.

yeah, sounds good to me.

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

You should also get a rank 7 with that and potential follow-ups onthe opponent's turn. Dragon Rulers were always about dumping their hand and getting back the advantage later so IDK what your point is...

Read the rulers again. They are limited to ONE effect per turn, not each effect once per turn. The redox and tidal you use to send/revive are dead for that turn. You need exactly an earth and water for their own discards, so presumably either second copies or their baby forms, neither of which will be able to do anything. This is a 4-card combo that passes on a single barrier state. You're making it a 5+ card combo if you want to do any more than that. The rogue element is if you're playing non-ruler monsters of the different attributes that might benefit from being redox/tidal fodder, and what that light/dragon is that you discarded to start all of it, which again requires drawing specifically all of those cards together for something other decks already do for basically free

[HeraldOfOpera]

The LIGHT rank 7 does this better. Being able to foolish any monster in exchange for running a garnet is probably okay. Being able to revive a monster in exchange for running a garnet is probably okay. Being able to do the first on your turn and the second on your opponent's in exchange for running two garnets? Probably fine if Utopia Double is fine, but it's on notice for sure.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

You should also get a rank 7 with that and potential follow-ups onthe opponent's turn. Dragon Rulers were always about dumping their hand and getting back the advantage later so IDK what your point is...

Read the rulers again. They are limited to ONE effect per turn, not each effect once per turn. The redox and tidal you use to send/revive are dead for that turn.

You forget about the other 2 daddy dragon rulers or just feel like being insufferable?

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

You forget about the other 2 daddy dragon rulers or just feel like being insufferable?

Where are the other two coming from? The combo you described has 4 of your 5 opening cards accounted for without any consistent access to a summonable ruler. Anything beyond that is adding even more specific cards you have to draw for the perfect god hand in order to be able to do this. Whatever you think is happening, you're missing either a restriction or specific discard they need to accomplish it

[TormentedSalad]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Read the rulers again. They are limited to ONE effect per turn, not each effect once per turn. The redox and tidal you use to send/revive are dead for that turn.

You forget about the other 2 daddy dragon rulers or just feel like being insufferable?

with completely custom hands like the ones your trying to describe vs zero interaction other people can FTK through multiple hand traps

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

You forget about the other 2 daddy dragon rulers or just feel like being insufferable?

Where are the other two coming from? The combo you described has 4 of your 5 opening cards accounted for without any consistent access to a summonable ruler. Anything beyond that is adding even more specific cards you have to draw for the perfect god hand in order to be able to do this. Whatever you think is happening, you're missing either a restriction or specific discard they need to accomplish it

From using them as banish materials to grab babies n such. Is this ur 1st time with Dragon Rulers? They can poop out 4 of the daddies per turn ezpz. Doing 3 instead and a barrier statue is pretty easy for them to pull off with the new cards.

Also, they don't even need to get 3 out. They just need to get out the light XYZ, that's 2. Then they either dump Redox or Tidal, depending on what you have in hand (the light baby ruler searches 2 Dragon Rulers so this is searchable) to complete the combo.

So really what you need is 2 daddy dragon rulers and to hard draw or somehow search the baby dragon ruler with a discard for it's effect. 4 cards total and the only hard requirement is the light baby dragon ruler to pull off. Lots of different card combinations to pull this out but you still need 4 total.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by TormentedSalad:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

You forget about the other 2 daddy dragon rulers or just feel like being insufferable?

with completely custom hands like the ones your trying to describe vs zero interaction other people can FTK through multiple hand traps

Nah you're just not understanding that this is what Dragon Rulers did consistently before they got banlisted so hard that the deck no longer existed.

Add on the light baby dragon ruler and the light XYZ dragon ruler and you're cooking fairly consistently.

[TormentedSalad]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by TormentedSalad:

with completely custom hands like the ones your trying to describe vs zero interaction other people can FTK through multiple hand traps

Nah you're just not understanding that this is what Dragon Rulers did consistently before they got banlisted so hard that the deck no longer existed.

Add on the light baby dragon ruler and the light XYZ dragon ruler and you're cooking fairly consistently.

Im not saying the cards are bad stuff seems genuinely solid but your problem is trying to create this custom barrier statue hand that needs a very specific hand and loses to ash blossom Floo did this in 1 card 2 cards if you want to get really wild with it.

What dragon rulers did would be laughed out of a room today given how the games changed this is why they are all getting put back to 3 because nobody has been afraid of these things for years at this point.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by TormentedSalad:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Nah you're just not understanding that this is what Dragon Rulers did consistently before they got banlisted so hard that the deck no longer existed.

Add on the light baby dragon ruler and the light XYZ dragon ruler and you're cooking fairly consistently.

Im not saying the cards are bad stuff seems genuinely solid but your problem is trying to create this custom barrier statue hand that needs a very specific hand and loses to ash blossom Floo did this in 1 card 2 cards if you want to get really wild with it.

What dragon rulers did would be laughed out of a room today given how the games changed this is why they are all getting put back to 3 because nobody has been afraid of these things for years at this point.

It takes 4 cards to pull off and those cards are pretty flexible with the exception of needing the baby light dragon ruler. Keep in mind that the setup also gets them going next turn too. It's not just blow your load and pray for wins combo.

I don't know why you're bringing up the Dragon Ruler power creep when we're talking about the new cards and what they enable...but OK? Now I remember why I have you blocked lol. Freaking insufferable.

[TormentedSalad]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by TormentedSalad:

Im not saying the cards are bad stuff seems genuinely solid but your problem is trying to create this custom barrier statue hand that needs a very specific hand and loses to ash blossom Floo did this in 1 card 2 cards if you want to get really wild with it.

What dragon rulers did would be laughed out of a room today given how the games changed this is why they are all getting put back to 3 because nobody has been afraid of these things for years at this point.

It takes 4 cards to pull off and those cards are pretty flexible with the exception of needing the baby light dragon ruler. Keep in mind that the setup also gets them going next turn too. It's not just blow your load and pray for wins combo.

Your starting hand size is 5 I dont know what to tell you decks have been permanently branded rogue decks because they require 2 card combos to get off the ground.

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

From using them as banish materials to grab babies n such. Is this ur 1st time with Dragon Rulers? They can poop out 4 of the daddies per turn ezpz. Doing 3 instead and a barrier statue is pretty easy for them to pull off with the new cards.

Also, they don't even need to get 3 out. They just need to get out the light XYZ, that's 2. Then they either dump Redox or Tidal, depending on what you have in hand (the light baby ruler searches 2 Dragon Rulers so this is searchable) to complete the combo.

So really what you need is 2 daddy dragon rulers and to hard draw or somehow search the baby dragon ruler with a discard for it's effect. 4 cards total and the only hard requirement is the light baby dragon ruler to pull off. Lots of different card combinations to pull this out but you still need 4 total.

Okay, let's go through this piece by piece.

Spector discard a light or dragon - searches 2 daddies.
Tidal discard itself and a water - send floodgate monster of your choice.
Redox discard itself and an earth - revive said floodgate monster.

That's 4 cards out of your opening hand already gone, not accounting for the fact you had to draw a specific combination of engine pieces to even start it. You only have 1 card left in hand. The water and earth you had to discard alongside tidal and redox are most likely either the baby forms or second copies, both of which are now dead fodder in the gy for the rest of this turn. That leaves one blank card in the hand and whatever the light/dragon was that you sent originally for spector. In the perfect scenario that those remaining cards are blaster and tempest, yes, you can banish all 4 of the other cards you've used that turn to summon them out and make a rank 7. In which case, you are converting a custom 5-card hand into a barrier statue and a rank 7 with no follow-up left because you banished it all away. You can't even use any of the other babies to search here since you have to discard another dragon, which leaves you with not enough cards in hand left to complete this combo. So you need:

Spector
Tempest
Blaster
Tidal + water discard
Redox + earth discard

With spector being able to convert itself and one of the others into any of the other two. So you still need spector, either tempest or blaster, and any 3 of the remaining dragons in your opening hand to accomplish what you're talking about. You know what else you can do with a custom hand like that? Perform full snake-eye combo with drident and dragoon on top through any hand traps. Loop your opponent's entire hand away with sillva or gishki. Set up a full protected SPYRAL extra-link board. FTK in 20 different ways. So yeah, this doesn't really sound that intimidating for how much work is required to get it