What's the downside of having more than 40 cards?

[Spooqui]

As far as I can guess the main downside would be not being able to get what you want due to random situational cards popping up.

[Astrallight]

You pretty much said the main issue of having more then 40. Only decks that run 60 cards is because they run Grass is Greener.

[Ehgk-Zakhari]

yeah. pretty much just makes your deck less consistent. some decks are built to work better at 60 but that's usually because they use a lot of cards with graveyard effects and the deck is made to put as many cards in the graveyard as possible. an exception to this is dragon link decks which are just as good or better at 60 while not having a ton of graveyard effects compared to other 60 card decks.

[Aldain]

Unless you're running a deck that doesn't care what it mills out it dings your consistency pretty badly past 41/42 iirc.

[xXGriggleXx]

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Unless you're running a deck that doesn't care what it mills out it dings your consistency pretty badly past 41/42 iirc.

45-46 is the limit for me. Most decks I have run 45 and they work pretty well aside from the inevitable brick from running random decks.

[Zaebore]

I always run a 40 card deck. I am not going to build a deck that's going to be more than 45 cards since I don't want to rely too much on my luck stat and pray rng can carry me in duels. Other than that I don't have any experience with a deck that has more than 50 cards even though I would like to build an Exodia deck or a deck similar to those win conditions I'm staying away from it until I have enough spare gems.

[Spooqui]

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I always run a 40 card deck. I am not going to build a deck that's going to be more than 45 cards since I don't want to rely too much on my luck stat and pray rng can carry me in duels. Other than that I don't have any experience with a deck that has more than 50 cards even though I would like to build an Exodia deck or a deck similar to those win conditions I'm staying away from it until I have enough spare gems.

Woudn't a deck of 40 cards be better for Exodia? New to this game, sorry if this is a dumb question. 10000 cards feels like too much to choose for me.

[ChaosBahamut]

If there's one advantage to using 60 cards, it makes 60-card decks that rely mainly on That Grass is Greener to dump cards in the GY (esp Isizhu decks) not work as well. (as That Grass is Greener wouldn't really work in that case) Course there's the fact that you're that much more in the RNG's mercy, but imo a 60-card Zombie deck that makes use of the Eldlich engine can get some work done due to how much of the cards can search each other out.

So long as that little t&(@ Ash isn't used against you. XD

[HeraldOfOpera]

That said, being more likely to draw any given card isn't always a good thing either. If your deck has 39 cards you want to draw and one garnet, adding more cards you want to draw is viable.

[Zaebore]

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I always run a 40 card deck. I am not going to build a deck that's going to be more than 45 cards since I don't want to rely too much on my luck stat and pray rng can carry me in duels. Other than that I don't have any experience with a deck that has more than 50 cards even though I would like to build an Exodia deck or a deck similar to those win conditions I'm staying away from it until I have enough spare gems.

Woudn't a deck of 40 cards be better for Exodia? New to this game, sorry if this is a dumb question. 10000 cards feels like too much to choose for me.

Using more than 40 cards for exodia is just to have a better chance to get spell draw cards into your hand. You want to fill your hand with spell draw cards so you can constantly draw more cards and get more cards to draw. A 60 card deck allows you to have that huge draw power whereas a 40 card deck has less draw power.

[ArtemisHunt]

Imagine your deck a beach and you get to dig one hole every turn and you know there's a treasure down there that will let you win the duel instantly. When you have more cards, you make your beach bigger meaning each random hole you dig has a smaller chance of being the treasure

[Yerc2]

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Woudn't a deck of 40 cards be better for Exodia? New to this game, sorry if this is a dumb question. 10000 cards feels like too much to choose for me.

Using more than 40 cards for exodia is just to have a better chance to get spell draw cards into your hand. You want to fill your hand with spell draw cards so you can constantly draw more cards and get more cards to draw. A 60 card deck allows you to have that huge draw power whereas a 40 card deck has less draw power.

I guess it also depends on the deck. I'm just thinking that if you have more cards, you'll have a lower chance to get specific crucial cards in your opening hand.
Like that Treasure Hunting Panda, or the Library light things.

I've seen a couple people use 60 card decks with Reasoning since it mills your deck until you hit a monster that can be normal summoned(?).
One person paired it with a monster that gains attack for each monster in your Graveyard, another person used it in a Sky Striker deck.

[Merilirem]

When you start a duel you want to have certain cards or combinations or cards in hand so you can do whatever your deck wants to do. Most decks only have so many cards that accomplish this and thus the ratio of those cards to everything else is important. So they maximize it by playing 40 cards.

If your deck is entirely cards you want in hand that will get you to your goal, whatever that is, then it doesn't matter how many cards you play. 60 might even be better since it messes with your opponents mill decks.

Basically its all about your hand and draws. 60 card decks lower the chance of you drawing any specific card so they can actually be great for decks with cards they don't want to draw. Like if you have 1 specific garnet in your deck you can't afford to draw. A 60 card deck is better if you can do it because the chances of you drawing that card are lower.

[YaFilthy]

I Tried 60 card decks as a new player but yugioh doesnt really draw cards like other tcgs even my maxx c & draw spell/trap cards seem wasteful because of so many negates you also only have a 5 card flop which does keep the draw slow as well.
i think you could pull it off a slightly larger deck with decks that can search, gy cycle, and special summon tho.

Anyway the flop mechanic is wierd here i can have cards in my deck and never flop them over like 10+ matches. then i have to go into the deck and + or - a card around and maybe ill see a different set of cards that flop often...

[Ti-A]

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As far as I can guess the main downside would be not being able to get what you want due to random situational cards popping up.

Probability mathematics.
If you play say dinomorphia, you need to open one of the following Domain, Frenzy, Therizia, to be able to play properly, which means you need to draw min 1/9 cards in a 5 card hand out of a 40 card pool.
Which means you have a chance of 75% to open at least one of the essential cards.
If you increase the deck pool to 60 the chance drops to 55% but now you can add other cards like trap trick, that one dino search card i forgot the name off etc
which pushes your essential card count to 15 leaving you with 77% to open one of the essentials

This means in this particular example your choice is run 40 cards with 9 essentials at 75%
or run 60 cards with 15 essentials at 77%
in the latter you have space for 14 cards that are not essential without loosing the mathematical ability to open your necessary cards

[Papa Smurf]

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Aldain lähetti viestin:

Unless you're running a deck that doesn't care what it mills out it dings your consistency pretty badly past 41/42 iirc.

45-46 is the limit for me. Most decks I have run 45 and they work pretty well aside from the inevitable brick from running random decks.

That's pretty much my limit to, although worth mentioning that you should be using test draws to check your decks consistency either way.