So bored

[A.Redburrow]

Maybe I'm just an old dumbass who just wants to go back to lunchroom yugioh, but honestly yugioh is so boring now. I swear half the time when I quit a game, it's not cuz I think I'm gonna lose, its because my opponent has been taking an hour long turn, and I'm just bored out of my mind. Especially when they decide that my turn is also gonna be their turn now. Like, is this really fun for yall? How is it fun if your opponent never actually plays the game? Go play single player if ya wanna do that.

I wish we could all just agree to be anime characters and play dumb, themed decks, instead of whatever meta ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is good right now. Then maybe the game would be actually fun again.

Yeah, I know, that's just how the game is now. I know I sound like a salty loser, and I kinda am. But I just wish people were more worried about playing a game, rather than winning a game, if that makes sense. There's two players, and we should have the courtesy to act like it.

[Rooxon]

I played against a Dogmatika deck, got rid of my entire extra deck and main deck on turn 1 and passed. Yeah thank you for allowing me to play Konami, fair game state 10/10.

[Papa Shekels]

They are playing a game. The opponent is in a ranked mode and expecting you to be playing something on a roughly equal level. Most modern decks have interactions during the opponent's turns, and even those that don't can supplement it with generic hand traps. If you're not doing anything to them and letting them go through their entire turn uninterrupted, they are either wondering if you got a bad hand and why you haven't surrendered yet or assuming that you opened some powerful board breakers that are able to fight through what they are doing.

Forgive me if this part seems a bit blunt, but it's really hard to explain it all the way through after the 50th time. The idea of playing some fun custom format with randoms is not feasible in this game outside of doing it yourself with people who agree on it beforehand. This game has dozens if not a hundred different tiers of playable decks, and that's before you take into account whether any of them have advantageous matchups over the others. The odds of two random people playing one that they happen to agree on is the equivalent of finding a needle in a haystack. I've played in and moderated tournaments with custom banlists, and they have reached points where people were complaining about a deck like vylon or a generic fish pile as being an overbearing meta of the format, or how individual cards like redeemable jar or liberty at last need to be pre-banned to make the next tournament playable. This one isn't even konami being lazy; put ten people in a room to devise what a "fun" power level is, and they won't agree on it. It is simply not possible. If you want this, the ONLY way to get it is to go find some friends to play with, because expecting randoms to accommodate you is outside the realm of reality

[G3]

While I don't know what you would define as "lunchroom yugioh". For me the games lasted the same length of time. Lunch was 30-45 mins I can't quite remember since it's been two decades since I was in high school but, we played meta decks. Chaos deck to be specific. And, variants of chaos that we could get our hands on/afford. We had games last longer than the lunch/breakfast period.

Yugioh has been a long game for a while now. The same amount of time in less turns. In paper anyways. Master Duel being an auto simulator and it's timer keep the game from lasting anywhere near that amount of time. Even if it feels like it doesn't. Because if it failed to cut down game time. You'd be seeing Six Sams every now and then in ranked.

Anime decks have a meta as well. Dragon Link has Rokket/Borrel cards carrying the bulk of it. Utopic has tonnes of consistent cards. Yubel is cleaning house right now.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Personally speaking, when my opponent is playing I try to follow their combos and try to find what leads to what in order to learn potential cut offs for my opponent in the future. Figuring out how to out my opponent and keeping track of their resources is how I personally have fun. Also listening to my music helps alleviate some of that impatience I may have when my opponent is taking an exceptionally long time to make a move or finish their combo. But as others are saying, they ARE playing the game. I would love to pull up in a Sentai avatar and use super quants all day everyday but unfortunately that's probably not gonna happen lmao. If the game isn't fun I can only recommend other free fan made simulators or consider revisiting some of the early single player games. Link Evolution is also kind of alright? You can at least duel most major duels from the anime series and seasons with your own deck if you are into that kind of stuff too. Good luck out there.

[Soji]

pardon me if I come off a rude but maybe take your own advice? "But I just wish people were more worried about playing a game, rather than winning a game, if that makes sense."

No it doesn't make sense, this is a position that is inherently contradictory because if you yourself were just worried about playing, like you think people should be, you wouldn't have this attitude where people aren't playing for the love of the game if they 'are playing more for winning'.

I hope eventually, you and people like you who hold some form of 'how do you find this game fun, when I do not?' all understand that what you find fun is different from others, but luckily you can find people who want to play this version of yugioh you want to play. Plenty of people would be willing to play these anime theme'd duels you want. Expecting the default experience of a competitive focused experience like Master Duel to be that is asinine.

[76561199543893354]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

The opponent is in a ranked mode and expecting you to be playing something on a roughly equal level.

And this is where everything falls apart because even on lower ranks you run into auto-win meta decks all the time.

There is no need for any special formats either. It'd be pretty easy to calculate a decks-power level since they have all the data on overused cards and include it into match-making so you don't end up playing a game vs BE and the next vs Tears but alas, they can't be bothered with it.

[A.Redburrow]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

They are playing a game. The opponent is in a ranked mode and expecting you to be playing something on a roughly equal level. Most modern decks have interactions during the opponent's turns, and even those that don't can supplement it with generic hand traps. If you're not doing anything to them and letting them go through their entire turn uninterrupted, they are either wondering if you got a bad hand and why you haven't surrendered yet or assuming that you opened some powerful board breakers that are able to fight through what they are doing.

Forgive me if this part seems a bit blunt, but it's really hard to explain it all the way through after the 50th time. The idea of playing some fun custom format with randoms is not feasible in this game outside of doing it yourself with people who agree on it beforehand. This game has dozens if not a hundred different tiers of playable decks, and that's before you take into account whether any of them have advantageous matchups over the others. The odds of two random people playing one that they happen to agree on is the equivalent of finding a needle in a haystack. I've played in and moderated tournaments with custom banlists, and they have reached points where people were complaining about a deck like vylon or a generic fish pile as being an overbearing meta of the format, or how individual cards like redeemable jar or liberty at last need to be pre-banned to make the next tournament playable. This one isn't even konami being lazy; put ten people in a room to devise what a "fun" power level is, and they won't agree on it. It is simply not possible. If you want this, the ONLY way to get it is to go find some friends to play with, because expecting randoms to accommodate you is outside the realm of reality

I don't expect the game to cater to me, or for everyone to just play however I like. Like I said, I know I suck at the game, I'm just venting nostalgia of playing with my friends as a kid. I don't expect anything different.

But I do wish more people would try out weird decks. I've definitely found a few, and they were fun. It's not really something that can be balanced, or catered. No ban list is gonna fix everything (though there's definitely a few that couldn't hurt lol). I just with there was a space for a more casual culture within yugioh. There's single player games, but there isn't one that's still getting newer cards to play around with. Heck, legacy doesn't even have half the tools for a blue-eyes deck. Theres unofficial simulators, but basically all of them are just master duel with fewer animations and no paywalls, so not much room for casual play.

I don't have a solution, and I don't think there really is one. I just want something a little more sporting I guess.

[A.Redburrow]

Guys, I'm just venting. I don't expect the game to cater to me. I know that's how the game is.

There's just so many interesting and weird decks in yugioh, but most of them never get used, and I think that's a shame. I wanna play weird stuff, or even just nostalgic garbage like blue-eyes, but there's not really space for that, and that I think is really a loss for the game.

I'm bad at the game. I know. I'm aware. I'm dyslexic and struggle with how much text is on the cards now, and I'm nostalgic for when I was a kid and everyone built decks out of whatever booster backs their parents bought them. I'd play with my friends, but I can't find anyone around who plays yugioh but doesn't play the same stuff id be facing on here. I am sad and lonely and just want to vent on the internet, please feel free to ignore me.

[A.Redburrow]

Originally posted by G3:

While I don't know what you would define as "lunchroom yugioh". For me the games lasted the same length of time. Lunch was 30-45 mins I can't quite remember since it's been two decades since I was in high school but, we played meta decks. Chaos deck to be specific. And, variants of chaos that we could get our hands on/afford. We had games last longer than the lunch/breakfast period.

Yugioh has been a long game for a while now. The same amount of time in less turns. In paper anyways. Master Duel being an auto simulator and it's timer keep the game from lasting anywhere near that amount of time. Even if it feels like it doesn't. Because if it failed to cut down game time. You'd be seeing Six Sams every now and then in ranked.

Anime decks have a meta as well. Dragon Link has Rokket/Borrel cards carrying the bulk of it. Utopic has tonnes of consistent cards. Yubel is cleaning house right now.

I'm not sure what rich friends you had, but we were building decks out of random booster packs. No cohesion for the most parts, just whatever we could shove together, and it was pretty fun.

the less turns is the problem. The issue isn't that the game is lasting too long, it's that now the entire game is one turn. When it's lots of turns, there's a back and forth where both players get to do things. Now it's one player plays the entire duel, unless the other player has the right negates, and then its the other plays the entire duel. It's boring. Not a fix for that, that's just what yugioh is at this point, I just wanted to vent about it.

I'm not saying I want everyone to play anime decks. I'm saying it would be fun if people played more like they did in the anime. Decks have a theme, stick to a single archetype, or something like that. Having one big boss monster you bring out and laugh like a madman, instead of building a massive board.

I know that's unfeasible, and kinda silly, but I'm allowed to dream.

[A.Redburrow]

Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:

Personally speaking, when my opponent is playing I try to follow their combos and try to find what leads to what in order to learn potential cut offs for my opponent in the future. Figuring out how to out my opponent and keeping track of their resources is how I personally have fun. Also listening to my music helps alleviate some of that impatience I may have when my opponent is taking an exceptionally long time to make a move or finish their combo. But as others are saying, they ARE playing the game. I would love to pull up in a Sentai avatar and use super quants all day everyday but unfortunately that's probably not gonna happen lmao. If the game isn't fun I can only recommend other free fan made simulators or consider revisiting some of the early single player games. Link Evolution is also kind of alright? You can at least duel most major duels from the anime series and seasons with your own deck if you are into that kind of stuff too. Good luck out there.

That's fair. I can't really follow most modern combos cuz my dyslexia doesn't let me read the cards with how fast they come on and off the field, but that's not the games fault.

I do play other simulators and games, and it is fun, but there's lots of cards I wanna play with that just aren't in older games, and simulators have the same problems as master duel. Any randos will be playing meta, and I sadly lack friends to play silly duels with.

But that's fine. I'm really just venting. I'm glad so many people enjoy the game, I just wish there was a place with a more relaxed play culture. But that's kinda hard to manufacture, so oh well. There are fun silly decks on master duel, ya just gotta run through a buncha other duels to find them.

[Soji]

Originally posted by A.Redburrow:

Guys, I'm just venting. I don't expect the game to cater to me. I know that's how the game is.

There's just so many interesting and weird decks in yugioh, but most of them never get used, and I think that's a shame. I wanna play weird stuff, or even just nostalgic garbage like blue-eyes, but there's not really space for that, and that I think is really a loss for the game.

I'm bad at the game. I know. I'm aware. I'm dyslexic and struggle with how much text is on the cards now, and I'm nostalgic for when I was a kid and everyone built decks out of whatever booster backs their parents bought them. I'd play with my friends, but I can't find anyone around who plays yugioh but doesn't play the same stuff id be facing on here. I am sad and lonely and just want to vent on the internet, please feel free to ignore me.

That's the thing, there are spaces for that. There are different communities online right now you can find to organize games like this. Sure there are no just automatic matchmaking into those games like you might want, but its honestly the best you can do when wanting to play something so specific. It's just the context master duel offers which is why you tend to rarely see decks like this. Cards take real money or time to be able to be used, people want return of investment on those things so they chose cards that are powerful because of it.

Platforms like Edopro which clients where every card is unlocked for everyone immediately, you'll find much more different variety of strategies being played, simply because there is no time or monetary investment required other than reading the cards really. Also it supports older formats, unlike MD. Master duel just isn't the best platform for what you want out of yugioh as a whole, unfortunately.

[A.Redburrow]

Originally posted by Soji:

Originally posted by A.Redburrow:

Guys, I'm just venting. I don't expect the game to cater to me. I know that's how the game is.

There's just so many interesting and weird decks in yugioh, but most of them never get used, and I think that's a shame. I wanna play weird stuff, or even just nostalgic garbage like blue-eyes, but there's not really space for that, and that I think is really a loss for the game.

I'm bad at the game. I know. I'm aware. I'm dyslexic and struggle with how much text is on the cards now, and I'm nostalgic for when I was a kid and everyone built decks out of whatever booster backs their parents bought them. I'd play with my friends, but I can't find anyone around who plays yugioh but doesn't play the same stuff id be facing on here. I am sad and lonely and just want to vent on the internet, please feel free to ignore me.

That's the thing, there are spaces for that. There are different communities online right now you can find to organize games like this. Sure there are no just automatic matchmaking into those games like you might want, but its honestly the best you can do when wanting to play something so specific. It's just the context master duel offers which is why you tend to rarely see decks like this. Cards take real money or time to be able to be used, people want return of investment on those things so they chose cards that are powerful because of it.

Platforms like Edopro which clients where every card is unlocked for everyone immediately, you'll find much more different variety of strategies being played, simply because there is no time or monetary investment required other than reading the cards really. Also it supports older formats, unlike MD. Master duel just isn't the best platform for what you want out of yugioh as a whole, unfortunately.

Thank you so much for that suggestion. I'd been looking for something, and somehow I never found that. I really do appreciate someone actually taking the time to suggest an alternative. I'll check it out, and hopefully it'll be more my speed. I'll also probably check out older formats like ya said. Yeah, no newer cards can suck, but the slower game speed will probably be better for me.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Originally posted by A.Redburrow:

That's fair. I can't really follow most modern combos cuz my dyslexia doesn't let me read the cards with how fast they come on and off the field, but that's not the games fault.

I do play other simulators and games, and it is fun, but there's lots of cards I wanna play with that just aren't in older games, and simulators have the same problems as master duel. Any randos will be playing meta, and I sadly lack friends to play silly duels with.

But that's fine. I'm really just venting. I'm glad so many people enjoy the game, I just wish there was a place with a more relaxed play culture. But that's kinda hard to manufacture, so oh well. There are fun silly decks on master duel, ya just gotta run through a buncha other duels to find them.

Yeah, I've been constantly wishing there were more ways newer and more casual audiences could enjoy the game, especially in master duel but unfortunately that doesn't appear to be under Konami's radar considering. It's nothing but unfortunate but I appreciate you being honest about it. Hopefully in the future we'll get a permanent addition to the game that will allow people to play more random decks.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by sr5123rs:

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

The opponent is in a ranked mode and expecting you to be playing something on a roughly equal level.

And this is where everything falls apart because even on lower ranks you run into auto-win meta decks all the time.

There is no need for any special formats either. It'd be pretty easy to calculate a decks-power level since they have all the data on overused cards and include it into match-making so you don't end up playing a game vs BE and the next vs Tears but alas, they can't be bothered with it.

I like that idea a lot, but there's a lot of archetypes that are either not as strong as the banlist would make it seem or a not as weak as usage rates would suggest.

Plus there's also archetypes that people "run" in their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ meta slop deck for extra power. (i.e. Runick and how no one actually plays a Runick mill deck.)

I think having the game split into different "eras" would be a good solution, have classic Yugioh, GX era, 5Ds era, etc.

That's also add a lot for the people interested in the historical aspect of seeing what each era of Yugioh was like and how the game progressed (or rather devolved) over time.

Would also help pinpoint where things started going to ♥♥♥♥ which is a nice cherry on top.

[76561199543893354]

Originally posted by Zephyr:

I like that idea a lot, but there's a lot of archetypes that are either not as strong as the banlist would make it seem or a not as weak as usage rates would suggest.

Ideally it would be adjusted by hand but feels even a dumb system that just gives X amounts of points for each card based on usage/win ratio and then matches players with similar amount of points per deck would go a long way to improve the chance to get duels on similar power level.

Originally posted by Zephyr:

Plus there's also archetypes that people "run" in their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ meta slop deck for extra power. (i.e. Runick and how no one actually plays a Runick mill deck.)

I mean, even by itself it's pretty strong and people running it with more meta slop cards, would get a higher "deck rating", so less likely to run into pure ones anyway. And given how Runick raaaarely summons generic crap from ED, it should keep the rating reasonably low (wonder where this system would put Lab though)

Originally posted by Zephyr:

I think having the game split into different "eras" would be a good solution, have classic Yugioh, GX era, 5Ds era, etc.

I doubt it'll help that much with balance since the gaps between decks existed back then too, they just weren't as crazy but IMO eras should be a thing for the diversity alone. It doesn't make any sense to limit players to a single way of playing outside of events and it costs almost no resources to give the option either. Hell, people might start buying more gems to roll for old school cards that have been powercrept to death.