Maxx "C" is (probably) not going away in Master Duel

[wildnike]

I think we're going to be receiving a lot of these micro bans over the months, namely because I think Konami is still trying to find its footing in making Master Duel both fun and profitable.

That said, the one card which I think will never appear on this list will probably be Maxx C. I'm not going to dive into why Maxx C is a bad card (others will do that and, to be honest, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world in a Bo1) and I doubt card quality has anything to do with it. There's a simpler reason.

Players by region.

Specifically, and I don't have the analytics on this, but I am fairly certain that a majority of players who play MD are in the OCG, and we will see the F/L lists warp accordingly. Maxx C has remained an absolute staple in the OCG and as far as we can see will remain such.

Now there are different philosophies between TCG and OCG and I'm not here to say "TCG good and OCG bad" or pull a reddit and insults the country which makes the card game I enjoy, but it's an important distinction that we have not only seen, but will likely continue to see within MD as it evolves into *probably* its own format, if last banlist is anything to go off of.

So what's the conclusion here?

The roach is here to stay, and we should deal with it accordingly.

[Profile Name]

Just because something counters an overpowered playstyle or mechanic, that doesn't mean that counter is overpowered.
Complaining about Max C is like complaining about Swords of Revealing Light because it "makes your enemy invincible for 3 turns". You can play around it.

Stop downloading decks from the net, and make your own. Max C is one of those cards that punishes bad players and noobs who rely on the same overpowered meta cards who are one-trick-ponies.
Even competent players who know how to build and play around it have no issue with Max C.

[Profile Name]

Ehgk-Zakhari eredeti hozzászólása:

funny how you cant debate him. you have to mock him into submission instead of using your intellect. you just go with whatever the popular opinion is. you have no ability to analyse an argument or the state of the game. if you had control of the banlist we'd all have the same deck because you'd instantly change the limit on a card when you lose a game. debate him. use your own brain.

It's easier to complain about losing, than it is to learn and improve. Inflated egos are a fragile thing.
"everything that counters me is OP"
"everything I do is balanced"

[Papa Smurf]

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Ehgk-Zakhari eredeti hozzászólása:

funny how you cant debate him. you have to mock him into submission instead of using your intellect. you just go with whatever the popular opinion is. you have no ability to analyse an argument or the state of the game. if you had control of the banlist we'd all have the same deck because you'd instantly change the limit on a card when you lose a game. debate him. use your own brain.

It's easier to complain about losing, than it is to learn and improve. Inflated egos are a fragile thing.
"everything that counters me is OP"
"everything I do is balanced"

Did you...Just make an account to agree with yourself? That's honestly kinda sad, I hope you're doing ok my guy

[Silamon]

Profile Name eredeti hozzászólása:

Just because something counters an overpowered playstyle or mechanic, that doesn't mean that counter is overpowered.
Complaining about Max C is like complaining about Swords of Revealing Light because it "makes your enemy invincible for 3 turns". You can play around it.

Stop downloading decks from the net, and make your own. Max C is one of those cards that punishes bad players and noobs who rely on the same overpowered meta cards who are one-trick-ponies.
Even competent players who know how to build and play around it have no issue with Max C.

Okay so lets compare. Swords of revealing light is basically a draw 3 over the course of 3 turns. Maxx C is infinite draw depending on how many times opponent special summons.
Counter play to Revealing Light is literally anything that can remove a spell card from the field. Counter play to Maxx C is hand traps that can negate it.

If you don't hit Maxx C asap the lingering effect cannot be stopped. Swords of revealing does not have a lingering effect at all.

As aforementioned, we know there is counter play to Maxx C. But when a card is so powerful that it is run at 3 in nearly every deck and the only counters to it therefore must also be run at 3 in every deck there is a problem. As Hard Leg stated, if you care about being as competitive as possible, you end up running the same 8 cards in every deck. 3 Maxx, 3 ashe, 2 called by. You can add crossout to that as well but I see it as more optional.


Do you really not see this as a problem with deck diversity? It's a problem when cards are viable in at least 90% of decks. It's why adventure is getting hit. It's why halq got hit. It's why pot of greed got hit. It's why raigeki got hit and is only recently coming back.

Cards that are so powerful that they are considered Staples are generally unhealthy for a format because it reduces the diversity. Unless you would rather we go back to just having 40 card good stuff decks like we used to, it is a problem.

[Mistic-Gohan]

Sooner we will see max trash c getting animation than ban...

[Madinogi]

So been almost 2 weeks, since i responded here (Covid is a complete and utter ball buster)

Anyway i see we have ANOUTHER Maxx "C" thread, guess they couldnt just necro the other thread?

anyway, im going to just be completely blunt in this thread and give my thoughts.
time to trigger some people BIG TIME........and likely recieve a forum suspension for a day but ehhh, ill handle it, im a grown up.

Maxx "C" in the current Format IS balanced, if Special Summoning what amounts to youre whole deck and generating massive Card Advantage all off a single card effect is considered Balanced and Fair. Then so is a card that allows the other player to draw 1 card for each time you special summon one of those monsters.

if one is Broken and OP then by logical and deductive reasoning, the other is also Broken and OP since they both do the same thing. Generate large amounts of Card Advantage, Maxx "C" doesnt let you get it for free tho, its reliant on the turn player.

Simply Put, if you think Combo decks that can special summon 20+ times and generate card advantage is fair, but Maxx "C" isnt fair because it draws cards for each summon to generate card advantage.
quite frankly youre ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ deluded and a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hypocrite.

these are the same people who Cry for Mystic mine ban in the TCG, hate cards like Summon limit, Vanity's emptiness, despise Maxx "C" and anything else that might actually stop their often degenerate combos, at what point do we just call a Spade a Spade and tell them to Stfu and "GIT GUD" because theire clearly bad.

to answer the other question, "Its a Meta Warping Card"
Ya No ♥♥♥♥, because the meta is focused around Special Summoning like its going out of style, and Maxx "C" is the card to counter that style of play. Sooooooooooooo........Wheres the problem? its a card doing what it was designed to do, Be the counter to a play style in the same way Back row removal cards are counter to decks that rely on Pendulum scales or Back row support. Build youre decks to safe guard them from its counters, its called accounting for its weaknesses.

and of course i know people like you @Wicked call our comments Delusional but conveninatly none of you actually come back with actual rebuttels, i wonder why thats the case???

And finally to end on this note,
if you only like Stacking cards on top of eachother by comboing them off eachother for god knows how long, just please go play Solitaire, its Free and im 100% sure it comes pre installed on every single home PC. PLAY IT!!!
Yugioh is a 2 Player game, not a single player game and you clearly dont belong here.

[Zelwy]

Cards that dont allow you to play are not the same that card that let you choose to play or not.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Anyone who thinks maxx c is a fair and balanced card and should be in the game at all has an iq in the single digits tbh.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

SirCroix eredeti hozzászólása:

Cards that dont allow you to play are not the same that card that let you choose to play or not.

Maxx "C" doesn't let you choose to play or not, it lets you choose the way in which you want to lose:
- Do you lose to an OTK because your board is empty?
- Do you lose to overwhelming advantage into OTK because you chose to make a board?

Even mid range decks can find a way to output 8000 points of damage, so unless your opponent completely bricked and you chose not to play, or they play a control deck, in which case, they'll just set up their flood gates, you're pretty done.

[Wicked]

C.C. アヌビス eredeti hozzászólása:

SirCroix eredeti hozzászólása:

Cards that dont allow you to play are not the same that card that let you choose to play or not.

Maxx "C" doesn't let you choose to play or not, it lets you choose the way in which you want to lose:
- Do you lose to an OTK because your board is empty?
- Do you lose to overwhelming advantage into OTK because you chose to make a board?

Even mid range decks can find a way to output 8000 points of damage, so unless your opponent completely bricked and you chose not to play, or they play a control deck, in which case, they'll just set up their flood gates, you're pretty done.

But you see, it lets you choose thus it is fair and healthy. Sounds like a you problem here. /s

[Zelwy]

C.C. アヌビス eredeti hozzászólása:

SirCroix eredeti hozzászólása:

Cards that dont allow you to play are not the same that card that let you choose to play or not.

Maxx "C" doesn't let you choose to play or not, it lets you choose the way in which you want to lose:
- Do you lose to an OTK because your board is empty?
- Do you lose to overwhelming advantage into OTK because you chose to make a board?

Even mid range decks can find a way to output 8000 points of damage, so unless your opponent completely bricked and you chose not to play, or they play a control deck, in which case, they'll just set up their flood gates, you're pretty done.

or win, since you can do things you can win too.

[Wicked]

SirCroix eredeti hozzászólása:

C.C. アヌビス eredeti hozzászólása:

Maxx "C" doesn't let you choose to play or not, it lets you choose the way in which you want to lose:
- Do you lose to an OTK because your board is empty?
- Do you lose to overwhelming advantage into OTK because you chose to make a board?

Even mid range decks can find a way to output 8000 points of damage, so unless your opponent completely bricked and you chose not to play, or they play a control deck, in which case, they'll just set up their flood gates, you're pretty done.

or win, since you can do things you can win too.

Just FTK through maxx c. Your deck isn't igknight? Unlucky bro.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Wicked eredeti hozzászólása:

SirCroix eredeti hozzászólása:

or win, since you can do things you can win too.

Just FTK through maxx c. Your deck isn't igknight? Unlucky bro.

Cyberstein summon? Man, I can't seem to do anything beside throw a rock at you.

[Wicked]

C.C. アヌビス eredeti hozzászólása:

Wicked eredeti hozzászólása:

Just FTK through maxx c. Your deck isn't igknight? Unlucky bro.

Cyberstein summon? Man, I can't seem to do anything beside throw a rock at you.

The good ol' 1 of every handtrap in your deck because you run maxx c so you can just throw handtraps blindly. Now that I think about it, ban every handtrap but leave maxx c be. We need maxx c because there are no viable second turn cards. Copium.

[Silamon]

Wicked eredeti hozzászólása:

C.C. アヌビス eredeti hozzászólása:

Cyberstein summon? Man, I can't seem to do anything beside throw a rock at you.

The good ol' 1 of every handtrap in your deck because you run maxx c so you can just throw handtraps blindly. Now that I think about it, ban every handtrap but leave maxx c be. We need maxx c because there are no viable second turn cards. Copium.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if all hand traps were banned and about 90% of negate and destroy cards were banned.

That's the dream anyway.