Maxx "C" is (probably) not going away in Master Duel

[wildnike]

I think we're going to be receiving a lot of these micro bans over the months, namely because I think Konami is still trying to find its footing in making Master Duel both fun and profitable.

That said, the one card which I think will never appear on this list will probably be Maxx C. I'm not going to dive into why Maxx C is a bad card (others will do that and, to be honest, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world in a Bo1) and I doubt card quality has anything to do with it. There's a simpler reason.

Players by region.

Specifically, and I don't have the analytics on this, but I am fairly certain that a majority of players who play MD are in the OCG, and we will see the F/L lists warp accordingly. Maxx C has remained an absolute staple in the OCG and as far as we can see will remain such.

Now there are different philosophies between TCG and OCG and I'm not here to say "TCG good and OCG bad" or pull a reddit and insults the country which makes the card game I enjoy, but it's an important distinction that we have not only seen, but will likely continue to see within MD as it evolves into *probably* its own format, if last banlist is anything to go off of.

So what's the conclusion here?

The roach is here to stay, and we should deal with it accordingly.

[Wigd]

While I think maxx c is a horrible card to have in a Bo1 (for reasons that have been argued to death at this point), considering the crossout designator limit and the fact that master duels banlists have finally started hitting almost every card people consistently complain about... aside from maxx c, yeah, I think it's a safe assumption it's not going anywhere

I think that sucks. I think the card is just bad for the game in almost every aspect, but it's here to stay for sure. I find that the most fun games are matches where neither player draws/uses maxx c. But Konami disagrees apparently

[Ghost X]

I hope a day Konami really ban this Bug C, maybe not today

[Aldain]

Honestly I respect most of the choices of the OCG, (except how long it took to kill Halq and Verte), but Maxx C being what they build the meta around is the single reason why I think the OCG is run like a madhouse.

It's completely stupid to have such a large degree of the meta warped around a single handtrap, the Maxx C related staples take up so much deck space in every deck that it's frankly disgusting, as much as people complain about Mystic Mine at least S/T destruction is far more common than anti-Maxx C techs (though obviously both should be banned before somebody starts that argument again).

[tiberiansun371alexw]

Any online game which uses the TCG list? It would give people the chance to just switch

[Ehgk-Zakhari]

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

[Papa Smurf]

Originally posted by tiberiansun371alexw:

Any online game which uses the TCG list? It would give people the chance to just switch

Unofficial simulators

[Papa Smurf]

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

Maxx C is a card that essentially reads 'If your opponent didn;t draw the out, win the duel'. Yes it discourages powerful 1st turn boards, but then the person who used it just OTKs going second and that isn't fair either.

There's healthier interaction than Maxx C for going second e.g. Droplets, Kaijus, DRNM etc. Maxx C isn;t needed to win going second.

[Wicked]

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

The only hilarious thing here is your delusion.

[Ehgk-Zakhari]

Originally posted by Papa Smurf:

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

Maxx C is a card that essentially reads 'If your opponent didn;t draw the out, win the duel'. Yes it discourages powerful 1st turn boards, but then the person who used it just OTKs going second and that isn't fair either.

There's healthier interaction than Maxx C for going second e.g. Droplets, Kaijus, DRNM etc. Maxx C isn;t needed to win going second.

Sure i could run kaijus, winged dragon of ra sphere mode, droplet, evenly matched, etc. but all of those can only be used turn 2 and after as solutions. Secondly they have to be in your starting hand (just like maxx c). Yes, there is ash blossom, infinite impermanence, etc. but how many of each of these solutions do you want me to run? I'd have to have half my deck be solutions to turn 1 player. Ash stops maxx c, crossout designator stops maxx c, called by the grave stops maxx c. Droplet isn't a solution going second because you have to get rid of your hand to negate 1-3 monsters but then will you still be able to play your turn? Then if you don't remove those monster from the field, they are relevant again next turn. Not to mention trap cards and quick-play spells I have to watch for going 2nd. So then I also have to run spell/trap removal on top of that which is usually not searchable. "Maxx c isn't needed to win" "needed to win" what does that even mean? Nothing is "needed to win." If a card was needed to win then the game would be in worse shape. LIke I said originally, maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not terrible. OTK isn't fair but starting with a full negate board that stops turn 2 player from doing anything is?

[Wigd]

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

I'm assuming this is bait

The turn 1 player can easily build their board and also have maxx c. If maxx c read "you can only use this card from the 2nd turn onwards" or something like that, then this comment would make a little more sense

[Ehgk-Zakhari]

Originally posted by Wicked:

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

The only hilarious thing here is your delusion.

you've totally changed my mind, galaxy brain

[Wigd]

Originally posted by Wigd:

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

I'm assuming this is bait

The turn 1 player can easily build their board and also have maxx c. If maxx c read "you can only use this card from the 2nd turn onwards" or something like that, then this comment would make a little more sense

Actually, nvm. This clause is bad. The cards just always going to be dumb without a super specific going second card text "the player going 2nd is the only one who can activate this card during this duel"

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Wigd:

Originally posted by Wigd:

I'm assuming this is bait

The turn 1 player can easily build their board and also have maxx c. If maxx c read "you can only use this card from the 2nd turn onwards" or something like that, then this comment would make a little more sense

Actually, nvm. This clause is bad. The cards just always going to be dumb without a super specific going second card text "the player going 2nd is the only one who can activate this card during this duel"

I think just having a limit to how many cards you can draw off it would go a long way. Say 3-4 max draws before the effect ends.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

The fact that you say that first sentence then go onto say all that other ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is just astounding and genuinely comedic.

Another "It puts combo decks in check" person. Gotta love em even if they are just wrong all the time.

If you can't understand the strength of 1 card that immediately wins the game by itself and favors the going first player since the going first player has access to handtrap counters while the going 2nd player only has access to handtraps then i genuinely don't know what to say to your weird bad logic.

Thank god you aren't in charge of the game is all i'll say. Atleast with Konami we have a small sliver of a chance at seeing Maxx C banned.

[Ehgk-Zakhari]

Originally posted by Wigd:

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

idiots crying about maxx c dont even understand the game. maxx c is one of the very few cards that makes going second not completely terrible. do you want the game to be determined by a coin toss? without maxx c the first turn player will almost always make an unbreakable board. with maxx c the turn 1 player must choose between a weaker opening board or letting the turn 2 player draw a potential solution to turn 1 player. always hilarious reading a baby's rant after they got their ass handed to them

I'm assuming this is bait

The turn 1 player can easily build their board and also have maxx c. If maxx c read "you can only use this card from the 2nd turn onwards" or something like that, then this comment would make a little more sense

You could say the same thing about any of the other hand traps. Ok so turn 1 player has maxx c and then turn 2 player otk's them making turn 1 player's maxx c useless unless they have an unbreakable board or happen to draw something like nibiru (once again making going second terrible). By banning maxx c you'd have to have a more extensive forbidden/limited list just to make going second not an instant loss. Or Konami has to add a ♥♥♥♥ ton more cards that make going second better (and only making going second better).