Using a Kaiju after being Given it

[tiberiansun371alexw]

The best way to stop the opponent from taking your monster and tributing it is to use Mask of Restrict. Alternativly, cards which stop special special summons also work. For a deck that needs to tribute and special summon, these cards probably should not be included in a main deck just to stop Kaijus! Someone suggested Rivalry of Warlords would help a mono-type deck, I don't see how it would work since they would just tribute your monster, the summon would fail thanks to rivalry, but the monster was already tributed. To add insult to injury, many cards with an optional "when sent to the graveyard" effect don't also activate when a card is summoned using it as tribute fodder.

Let's say you think your opponent will try to banish the monster they give you. So after you get your big boss monster, attack, use it's effects, whatever, special summon some weak monsters of the same archetype by effects that let them summon from the hand and then set up Imperial Iron Wall or a Recall. Your opponent then tributes away yourmonster and tries to banish but you save the Kaiju

OK, now what do you do with this thing? For some decks, the answer is "Rank 8 XYZ." Suppose the extra deck is mostly synchro monsters and while you do have link and XYZ monsters, your don't have rank 8. Now what? Level 8 doesn't play well into a lot of synchro decks. And some Kaijus are below 2500 ATK, so they aren't good beatsticks, so you can't use it that way.

[Profile Name]

I find that the best way to mess over someone using a deck that involves giving you a kaiju is to just accept the kaiju and ruin whatever their plan is to do with it. It's almost always Numeron or the card that returns control of monsters.

I've never seen an actual Kaiju deck though. Which kind of sucks because I want to see what the cards can do but don't want to read their effects.

[Silamon]

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I find that the best way to mess over someone using a deck that involves giving you a kaiju is to just accept the kaiju and ruin whatever their plan is to do with it. It's almost always Numeron or the card that returns control of monsters.

I've never seen an actual Kaiju deck though. Which kind of sucks because I want to see what the cards can do but don't want to read their effects.

Back in the N/R event I ran kaiju burn, it was quite fun. Won a lot of duels with it. Shame all the cards that made it viable have been banned in every other event...

[Silyon]

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Someone suggested Rivalry of Warlords would help a mono-type deck, I don't see how it would work since they would just tribute your monster, the summon would fail thanks to rivalry, but the monster was already tributed.

Incorrect understanding of the card. While Rivalry of the Warlords (Or similar floodgates like Gozen Match or the barrier statues) is up, an invalid summon cannot be attempted. This means that kaijus are unavalible unless it happens to share the required quality (Type in Rivalry's case) with the monster that would be tributed or used for it.

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OK, now what do you do with this thing? For some decks, the answer is "Rank 8 XYZ." Suppose the extra deck is mostly synchro monsters and while you do have link and XYZ monsters, your don't have rank 8. Now what? Level 8 doesn't play well into a lot of synchro decks. And some Kaijus are below 2500 ATK, so they aren't good beatsticks, so you can't use it that way.

Depending on the Kaiju they give you, you can probably just leave it as a big beatstick. Lots of people are using the budget ones that have higher atk and are harder to beat over. Nothing wrong with using the 3300 one to beat over a Baronne.

Generally speaking though, it's better to include a few generic-but-useful link monsters to use possible kaijus for, something like Knightmare Phoenix or Unicorn. More reliable use-cases than XYZs, even if the effects tend to be weaker. Or, if you're exceptionally salty and your deck doesn't need a particular field spell, throw Kyoto Waterfront in. Generates the Kaiju counters that Kaiju need for their abilities, no one ever sees it comming.

[JKArtorias]

I don't think anyone needed to be told to use the Kaiju after being given it or that stupid Floodgates counter Kaijus like they do everything else.

Did you think people were just staring at the Kaiju going "Well now what do i do with this!"

Nah you just use it like you do with anything else.

[tiberiansun371alexw]

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I've never seen an actual Kaiju deck though. Which kind of sucks because I want to see what the cards can do but don't want to read their effects.

I kind of want to see them now too, but they're usually just used as a "get rid of monster" card.

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Incorrect understanding of the card. While Rivalry of the Warlords (Or similar floodgates like Gozen Match or the barrier statues) is up, an invalid summon cannot be attempted. This means that kaijus are unavalible unless it happens to share the required quality (Type in Rivalry's case) with the monster that would be tributed or used for it.

Depending on the Kaiju they give you, you can probably just leave it as a big beatstick. Lots of people are using the budget ones that have higher atk and are harder to beat over. Nothing wrong with using the 3300 one to beat over a Baronne.

Generally speaking though, it's better to include a few generic-but-useful link monsters to use possible kaijus for, something like Knightmare Phoenix or Unicorn. More reliable use-cases than XYZs, even if the effects tend to be weaker. Or, if you're exceptionally salty and your deck doesn't need a particular field spell, throw Kyoto Waterfront in. Generates the Kaiju counters that Kaiju need for their abilities, no one ever sees it comming.

I didn't realize that's how Rivalry worked. Thanks.

Also, I'm a little bit more interested in the real TCG than Master Duel, which I didn't say in the OP. I mean I do play MD, but the banlist is... well I don't like it. So 75% of the time I face this situation, I'm left with a sub 2500 ATK Kaiju and probably 22% of the time it's the 3300 one, and maybe 3% of the time it's in between/

The Knightmare Unicorn is a great idea. It doesn't have anything like the ability to manipulate levels or special summon things from the hand to help with synchro plays, but it bypasses destruction immunity. And if I have hand advantage, I can also use it against some annoying continous field spell or trap if I don't have MST in the hand.

Hmmm maybe Knightmare Incarnation Idlee is a good side deck. In a deck that only has 3 or 4 link monsters in the extra deck, their effects wouldn't be live with the owner's monsters, but the opponent might make it live. Knightmare Unicorn has a generically useful effect, so including it means I can spin annoying monsters. It also means that if my opponent has link of 6 monsters on the field, I can just nuke it

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I don't think anyone needed to be told to use the Kaiju after being given it or that stupid Floodgates counter Kaijus like they do everything else.

Well obviously you do want to use it, my question was "OK... what's the best use out of this thing?" Not "Do I use this"

I mean one time I was left stuck with the Kaiju and two warriors and wondering how to beat over my opponent's 2500 ATK monster that had a floating effect and then I drew into Destiny Hero Plasma and I was like "Ah, that's my out" (it was a Destiny Hero deck that time).

I mean one time I really could use the Kaiju like anything else. My opponent gave me Gadarla, the Mystery Dust Kaiju (rare, I usually get Gameciel, the Sea Turtle Kaiju or Kumongous, the Sticky String Kaiju) and I was like "great, I have an Insect-Beatstick, my whole deck is about Insect Monsters."

[HeraldOfOpera]

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Or, if you're exceptionally salty and your deck doesn't need a particular field spell, throw Kyoto Waterfront in. Generates the Kaiju counters that Kaiju need for their abilities, no one ever sees it comming.

Oh yeah, this is extra evil if they're using Gameciel. Some smoothbrain will go "hurr durr kill omninegate give turtle" and completely miss that the turtle is two omninegates. And not once per turn. And banishes the negated card to add insult to injury (and prevent it from giving the Waterfront a counter).

[tiberiansun371alexw]

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Oh yeah, this is extra evil if they're using Gameciel. Some smoothbrain will go "hurr durr kill omninegate give turtle" and completely miss that the turtle is two omninegates. And not once per turn. And banishes the negated card to add insult to injury (and prevent it from giving the Waterfront a counter).

Gameciel and Kumongous are common, but I think I see them in a ratio of 3 to 4 slightly favoring Kumongous. Kumongous's effect is slightly less awesome.

[HeraldOfOpera]

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Oh yeah, this is extra evil if they're using Gameciel. Some smoothbrain will go "hurr durr kill omninegate give turtle" and completely miss that the turtle is two omninegates. And not once per turn. And banishes the negated card to add insult to injury (and prevent it from giving the Waterfront a counter).

Gameciel and Kumongous are common, but I think I see them in a ratio of 3 to 4 slightly favoring Kumongous. Kumongous's effect is slightly less awesome.

Master Duel made Gameciel an SR, presumably because it's usually the best choice as removal. You also see Gadarla whenever the user is afraid of that one Barrier Statue.

[TormentedSalad]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από tiberiansun371alexw:

The best way to stop the opponent from taking your monster and tributing it is to use Mask of Restrict. Alternativly, cards which stop special special summons also work. For a deck that needs to tribute and special summon, these cards probably should not be included in a main deck just to stop Kaijus! Someone suggested Rivalry of Warlords would help a mono-type deck, I don't see how it would work since they would just tribute your monster, the summon would fail thanks to rivalry, but the monster was already tributed. To add insult to injury, many cards with an optional "when sent to the graveyard" effect don't also activate when a card is summoned using it as tribute fodder.

Let's say you think your opponent will try to banish the monster they give you. So after you get your big boss monster, attack, use it's effects, whatever, special summon some weak monsters of the same archetype by effects that let them summon from the hand and then set up Imperial Iron Wall or a Recall. Your opponent then tributes away yourmonster and tries to banish but you save the Kaiju

OK, now what do you do with this thing? For some decks, the answer is "Rank 8 XYZ." Suppose the extra deck is mostly synchro monsters and while you do have link and XYZ monsters, your don't have rank 8. Now what? Level 8 doesn't play well into a lot of synchro decks. And some Kaijus are below 2500 ATK, so they aren't good beatsticks, so you can't use it that way.

Depends on the synchro deck level 8 is notable tuners like plaguespreader exist after all but kaijus rarely last the turn they are easy link fodder and the most common kaiju right now is the 2700 wind one ever since floo came out since it can be used under barrier statue so reasonable beater most decks run links so it can almost surely be used for that

[tiberiansun371alexw]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HeraldOfOpera:

Master Duel made Gameciel an SR, presumably because it's usually the best choice as removal. You also see Gadarla whenever the user is afraid of that one Barrier Statue.

The thing is Kumongus and Gameciel are usually both just as bad as a consolation prize since both are under 2500 ATK. That's an important threshold.

Of course when an opponent was planning to banish the consolaton Kaiju and you stopped it with backrow, that's still better than being stuck with nothing. I have to ask why 7 seperate people thought giving someone a Kaiju and then banishing it with a monster effect without blowing up the backrow was a good idea. And they probably didn't care that they left you with something a bit stronger than Gameciel if they wanted to banish it anyways.

Barrier Statue of the Torrent was the most common of the statues in the real life game.