Modern Yu-Gi-Oh is boring

[Amogus]

I went to play my first ranked match and spent 6 minutes sitting around waiting for my opponent to play their 50-card combo before my turn. Once my turn began, I placed 1 card and then sat around for another 2 minutes while my opponent was setting up chains, special summoning monsters, and setting/activating spell cards. After that, I just surrendered because I don't care enough about this game to spend more time waiting than actually playing the game

I understand the actual fun gameplay from the old days is gone, but it's ridiculously boring to spend 8 out of 9 minutes in my FIRST EVER DUEL watching my opponent play solitaire. However, I don't understand how there is any level of enjoyment to be had when one single card effect can set up a 5-minute chain that makes you wish you were doing literally anything else with your time

[Krystal]

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

I thought about this recently but I wonder if these people who have these takes could actually tolerate sitting at a tabletop rpg with other players and having to wait their turn if they are this impatient.

Side note aside, modern yugioh just might not be for you OP and that's fine. Other people do enjoy the modern version and if you aren't having fun then don't waste your time. What you can do if you want to try is to check other third party simulators that will help you play older formats of the game or find communities that will allow you to play with other like-minded individuals.

The idea is that both players get to play the game and have fun is what they are getting at.

It's not fun for one side when the other side is setting up for their board for 8+mins and then when its finally your turn they get to make even more moves ON YOUR TURN so your sitting and waiting even longer and THEN when you finally get to play...

oh wait you can't play the game at all because they've set up their board to counter anything you could possibly hope to play! Play a monster? nah, they got a trap,spell, or monster effect for that. Play a spell? Nope, trap,spell, or monster effect cancels that out too.

Well at the very least you can set traps right? NOPE! Because either on their next turn or via monster effect ,spell, or trap on your turn they've got something to blow those up too!

Surely that handtrap is worth something right? NOPE! they've got cross-out designator or call of the haunted to get rid of that too!

So now your sitting here with an empty board having been unable to play the game at all and can do nothing but pass your turn and wait for your opponent to obliterate your LP but wait!

Now they decide to flex on you by performing 30 more unnecessary plays when they could of finished you off at the beginning of the turn by simply entering combat phase and attacking with everything. You have no board, no handtraps, so this is little more than toxic behavior on their part by holding you hostage until you've had enough and hit the surrender button.

This is the NORM for the average player in silver rank and above. THIS is why they dislike modern yugioh, its not because "its not for them" its because they don't even get to play the damned game!

[The Rotten]

Publicado originalmente por e-dood:

Publicado originalmente por The Rotten:

The game is too complex to the point of being non-sense. XYZ is stupid. Syncro is stupid. Link is stupid.

Skill issue.

No. I win more often than not. It's just not fun when playing ranked because most people are braindead and plays the same few decks. The issue is that the game is fundamentally worse than it was a decade ago and we have retarded people shilling for it.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Publicado originalmente por itzRiceKrispies:

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

I thought about this recently but I wonder if these people who have these takes could actually tolerate sitting at a tabletop rpg with other players and having to wait their turn if they are this impatient.

Side note aside, modern yugioh just might not be for you OP and that's fine. Other people do enjoy the modern version and if you aren't having fun then don't waste your time. What you can do if you want to try is to check other third party simulators that will help you play older formats of the game or find communities that will allow you to play with other like-minded individuals.

Oh ♥♥♥♥. A real D&D campaign would kill them.

That ♥♥♥♥ can take months, they have no idea.

I use tabletop RPG cause I've played a small number of em, from Gurps, starfinder, ffd6, pokemon tabletop united (PTU), a complete homebrew game that lasted 6 years and currently another PTU, pathfinder and harry potter wands and wizards. I know d&d is used as a catch all but I try to stop using it like that when they started to go all copyright crazy. Point is, these games take time and there are going to be extended periods where you are going to be sitting around doing nothing but observing. If they can't do that in YGO, I want to see how they'd fair in a similar setting with those kinds of games.

[The Rotten]

I've said this before and I will say it again; This game would be a 10/10 if they added permanent game modes to reduce some of the modern garbage and make the game actually fun and not a "long turn and then play on my turn" simulator. Some of us have lives.

Either that or keep the 30 second time limit for good. Or ban a ton of cards.

[The Rotten]

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

Publicado originalmente por itzRiceKrispies:

Oh ♥♥♥♥. A real D&D campaign would kill them.

That ♥♥♥♥ can take months, they have no idea.

I use tabletop RPG cause I've played a small number of em, from Gurps, starfinder, ffd6, pokemon tabletop united (PTU), a complete homebrew game that lasted 6 years and currently another PTU, pathfinder and harry potter wands and wizards. I know d&d is used as a catch all but I try to stop using it like that when they started to go all copyright crazy. Point is, these games take time and there are going to be extended periods where you are going to be sitting around doing nothing but observing. If they can't do that in YGO, I want to see how they'd fair in a similar setting with those kinds of games.

I have a local group that play tons of tabletop games. We're fine because that's how those games are. Yu-Gi-Oh! isn't those games. It's not supposed to be like that. There's where the issue comes from.

[The Rotten]

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

Publicado originalmente por Otto:

"It doesn't happen to me, so it isn't real." Uh huh. Sure.

Never said that. People's problems with a game aren't always going to be 1:1. Have I lost a game due to coinflip? Yeah sure but I rather deal with that then dealing with either bricking on resources or not drawing enough resources from other games and even then that's not a universal issue for some people as I can only speak for myself that when going second even with bad hands I've been able to win games. Heck a good chunk of my losses come from me misplaying from an overload of information and that's a skill issue of mine.

Publicado originalmente por Otto:

Welp, pack it in folks, the one card combos, lockdown strategies and failure to open hand traps (i.e. the only things that can make the game remotely playable at this stage) don't happen, despite being widely observed phenomena, because ¿¡Kloey!?² said so. :Pigeon:

I understand you're taking the piss so I'm not gonna harp on this point too much despite that not being what I said nor is what was even remotely alluded to.

Publicado originalmente por Otto:

Joking aside, anecdotal evidence doesn't invalidate what I've said, and trying to write off genuine criticism as either hyperbole or "Tiktok behavior" certainly doesn't make your position any more amenable.

Please name me a deck that can use 50 cards and is somehow able to do all of that within the span of 6 minutes. The only time I can even see that happening is if a 'That grass looks greener' resolves and I want that card gone. And again this wasn't pointed at OP directly, it was more so the general consensus on these hyperbolic takes where people use the buzzword solitaire because they can't even articulate an original viewpoint for their criticism. And it's 'Tiktok' behavior because they need to play right now, they don't want to wait they want to play NOW! STOP USING THE TIME THE GAME ALLOWS YOU TO USE! EVEN THOUGH I CAN USE THAT SAME TIME TOO! I WANT TO PLAY NOW. WHY WONT YOU LET ME PLAY NOW? OH AND WHEN I DO PLAY YOU JUST STOP EVERYTHING I DO?! OKAY GREAT, GAME SUCKS! HOW CAN ANYONE EVER HAVE FUN LIKE THIS!? IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!

It's exhausting because people can't understand different strokes for different folks. Again all of this is not pointed directly at OP, he is allowed to vent considering this may very well be his introductory into the modern game and I don't know he's playing DM era pile or something. The whole tabletop analogy was just an off remark where if I am to be fair the main difference is with the tabletop you are constantly being fed new information where if you play YGO, if you have experience fighting a deck you aren't necessarily receiving that.

Publicado originalmente por Otto:

Also, let's not forget that there's been a long-running debate amongst the tabletop community as to whether certain statuses rob players of too much agency in their play, for exactly the same reason I pointed out in my first reply.

And I don't disagree with that. I have stated before that decks that pump out more negates that are reasonable and hand loops are not healthy for the game in my opinion.

Publicado originalmente por Otto:

There is a notable difference between impatience, and frustration at a total inability to play, to conflate the two just makes it sound like you just want a captive audience.

See I would agree with you other than the fact that people are actively choosing to play a game they don't have the patience to be playing. You know what I do when I find a game I don't like? I stop playing it and I don't make it other people's business. If you want to leave a review? Go ahead! I encourage that, even! Sometimes it's not that they aren't playing against an unbreakable board, it's that their opponent is taking too long to play. I am of the sound mind that however you want to play is your prerogative and you should not shame other people for doing so cause they aren't playing a game the way you want them to for your own self satisfaction. What makes your fun more important than their fun? https://youtu.be/tRA7gxgqirg?si=vh0HCpbJ07FK5YOE

There are people that are passionate about the franchise and they don't like to see it in ruin. We love the game. Just not the meta.

Critical thinking skills are a necessity. Obtain them somehow.

[e-dood]

Publicado originalmente por The Rotten:

Publicado originalmente por e-dood:

Skill issue.

No. I win more often than not. It's just not fun when playing ranked because most people are braindead and plays the same few decks. The issue is that the game is fundamentally worse than it was a decade ago and we have retarded people shilling for it.

I mean, XYZ monsters have been around since 2011 or so.

So they are a part of "Old YGO" from a decade ago. Synchros are alder than them.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Publicado originalmente por deathsia:

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

I thought about this recently but I wonder if these people who have these takes could actually tolerate sitting at a tabletop rpg with other players and having to wait their turn if they are this impatient.

Side note aside, modern yugioh just might not be for you OP and that's fine. Other people do enjoy the modern version and if you aren't having fun then don't waste your time. What you can do if you want to try is to check other third party simulators that will help you play older formats of the game or find communities that will allow you to play with other like-minded individuals.

The idea is that both players get to play the game and have fun is what they are getting at.

It's not fun for one side when the other side is setting up for their board for 8+mins and then when its finally your turn they get to make even more moves ON YOUR TURN so your sitting and waiting even longer and THEN when you finally get to play...

oh wait you can't play the game at all because they've set up their board to counter anything you could possibly hope to play! Play a monster? nah, they got a trap,spell, or monster effect for that. Play a spell? Nope, trap,spell, or monster effect cancels that out too.

Well at the very least you can set traps right? NOPE! Because either on their next turn or via monster effect ,spell, or trap on your turn they've got something to blow those up too!

Surely that handtrap is worth something right? NOPE! they've got cross-out designator or call of the haunted to get rid of that too!

So now your sitting here with an empty board having been unable to play the game at all and can do nothing but pass your turn and wait for your opponent to obliterate your LP but wait!

Now they decide to flex on you by performing 30 more unnecessary plays when they could of finished you off at the beginning of the turn by simply entering combat phase and attacking with everything. You have no board, no handtraps, so this is little more than toxic behavior on their part by holding you hostage until you've had enough and hit the surrender button.

This is the NORM for the average player in silver rank and above. THIS is why they dislike modern yugioh, its not because "its not for them" its because they don't even get to play the damned game!

Okay. And if that's the point of the game and you're unhappy with it or not having fun, why are you still playing it? Not everything is going to cater to you and your subjective sense of fun. Sorry not sorry. And also despite all these criticisms that game is still one of the top card games where others have fallen off or outright disappeared, especially in the west. Like I said, I don't have a problem with that, in fact I welcome the challenge. Because it's challenging. Again this is different from people building boards of straight up negates that just outright tell you "No, you can not play, period." Only thing I will agree on is that people who do a victory lap when they clearly already have game is a problem in and of itself, straight up sore winner mentality that is.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Publicado originalmente por The Rotten:

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

I use tabletop RPG cause I've played a small number of em, from Gurps, starfinder, ffd6, pokemon tabletop united (PTU), a complete homebrew game that lasted 6 years and currently another PTU, pathfinder and harry potter wands and wizards. I know d&d is used as a catch all but I try to stop using it like that when they started to go all copyright crazy. Point is, these games take time and there are going to be extended periods where you are going to be sitting around doing nothing but observing. If they can't do that in YGO, I want to see how they'd fair in a similar setting with those kinds of games.

I have a local group that play tons of tabletop games. We're fine because that's how those games are. Yu-Gi-Oh! isn't those games. It's not supposed to be like that. There's where the issue comes from.

Who says it isn't supposed to be like that? You? Clearly this is the direction the game was taken. We've had a handful of different set of rules, plenty of banlists and over 25 years worth of time to be where we are today.

Publicado originalmente por The Rotten:

There are people that are passionate about the franchise and they don't like to see it in ruin. We love the game. Just not the meta.

Critical thinking skills are a necessity. Obtain them somehow.

That's fine, if your opinion is that the game is ruined despite literally achieving a world record in tournament participants in 2024 that's on you and you're welcomed to have that opinion. You can be upset at the meta, you can be upset at the state of the game, I only take umbrage when people take unnecessary jabs at people just playing the game or are actively subjecting themselves to an experience that they don't have fun in and make it everyone else's fault and problem. I've been in that situation where my criticisms have been shot down by those who've played meta in games before despite me playing that very same game since it's beta so I can only speak from experience to be realistic about taking accountability for how one chooses what game to play. Honestly I believe I am thinking too critically to try and reason with other people who let their emotions fuel their arguments.

Edit: Small note, I thought of another deck that can potentially play like 50 cards within a time frame and that would be stardust synchron deck. But that's not necessarily meta now is it? At best and worst is just a symptom of the modern game.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Publicado originalmente por The Rotten:

I've said this before and I will say it again; This game would be a 10/10 if they added permanent game modes

See, I missed this point. I have CONSTANTLY asked for and rallied for this game to have different set of permanent rulesets so people can enjoy the game how they want to, both modern and those who enjoy the older style of play. Master Duel can be SO MUCH MORE that it's a shame and a outright disgrace and slap in the face of it's playerbase that Konami doesn't do more with it besides adding things that do nothing to add to the core experience. Instead of asking the main game to change for you, we should be asking for more ways to play for everyone (or at the very least the most we can achieve) to be happy.

[G3]

The game is too complex to the point of being non-sense. Delinquent Duo is stupid. Jinzo is stupid. BLS is stupid. Everyone plays the lamest most OP cards ever and you can't enjoy the game unless you play he same stupid-ass way they do.

It is an objective fact this franchise has fallen from grace. They tried to keep the game fresh by adding new stuff like a low-tier family sitcom adding new characters. Ended up making the game bloated with no freedom.

If you use Chaos Emperor Dragon at any point, I should be allowed to pee in your eye.

Just play with friends. Only way to enjoy it.

[e-dood]

Publicado originalmente por G3:

The game is too complex to the point of being non-sense. Delinquent Duo is stupid. Jinzo is stupid. BLS is stupid. Everyone plays the lamest most OP cards ever and you can't enjoy the game unless you play he same stupid-ass way they do.

It is an objective fact this franchise has fallen from grace. They tried to keep the game fresh by adding new stuff like a low-tier family sitcom adding new characters. Ended up making the game bloated with no freedom.

If you use Chaos Emperor Dragon at any point, I should be allowed to pee in your eye.

Just play with friends. Only way to enjoy it.

Celtic Guardian beatdown is the only fair way to play.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Publicado originalmente por The Rotten:

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

Never said that. People's problems with a game aren't always going to be 1:1. Have I lost a game due to coinflip? Yeah sure but I rather deal with that then dealing with either bricking on resources or not drawing enough resources from other games and even then that's not a universal issue for some people as I can only speak for myself that when going second even with bad hands I've been able to win games. Heck a good chunk of my losses come from me misplaying from an overload of information and that's a skill issue of mine.


I understand you're taking the piss so I'm not gonna harp on this point too much despite that not being what I said nor is what was even remotely alluded to.

Please name me a deck that can use 50 cards and is somehow able to do all of that within the span of 6 minutes. The only time I can even see that happening is if a 'That grass looks greener' resolves and I want that card gone. And again this wasn't pointed at OP directly, it was more so the general consensus on these hyperbolic takes where people use the buzzword solitaire because they can't even articulate an original viewpoint for their criticism. And it's 'Tiktok' behavior because they need to play right now, they don't want to wait they want to play NOW! STOP USING THE TIME THE GAME ALLOWS YOU TO USE! EVEN THOUGH I CAN USE THAT SAME TIME TOO! I WANT TO PLAY NOW. WHY WONT YOU LET ME PLAY NOW? OH AND WHEN I DO PLAY YOU JUST STOP EVERYTHING I DO?! OKAY GREAT, GAME SUCKS! HOW CAN ANYONE EVER HAVE FUN LIKE THIS!? IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!

It's exhausting because people can't understand different strokes for different folks. Again all of this is not pointed directly at OP, he is allowed to vent considering this may very well be his introductory into the modern game and I don't know he's playing DM era pile or something. The whole tabletop analogy was just an off remark where if I am to be fair the main difference is with the tabletop you are constantly being fed new information where if you play YGO, if you have experience fighting a deck you aren't necessarily receiving that.

And I don't disagree with that. I have stated before that decks that pump out more negates that are reasonable and hand loops are not healthy for the game in my opinion.


See I would agree with you other than the fact that people are actively choosing to play a game they don't have the patience to be playing. You know what I do when I find a game I don't like? I stop playing it and I don't make it other people's business. If you want to leave a review? Go ahead! I encourage that, even! Sometimes it's not that they aren't playing against an unbreakable board, it's that their opponent is taking too long to play. I am of the sound mind that however you want to play is your prerogative and you should not shame other people for doing so cause they aren't playing a game the way you want them to for your own self satisfaction. What makes your fun more important than their fun? https://youtu.be/tRA7gxgqirg?si=vh0HCpbJ07FK5YOE

There are people that are passionate about the franchise and they don't like to see it in ruin. We love the game. Just not the meta.

And if those people still refuse to leave and move on then it's their problem at that point

[Krystal]

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

Publicado originalmente por deathsia:

The idea is that both players get to play the game and have fun is what they are getting at.

It's not fun for one side when the other side is setting up for their board for 8+mins and then when its finally your turn they get to make even more moves ON YOUR TURN so your sitting and waiting even longer and THEN when you finally get to play...

oh wait you can't play the game at all because they've set up their board to counter anything you could possibly hope to play! Play a monster? nah, they got a trap,spell, or monster effect for that. Play a spell? Nope, trap,spell, or monster effect cancels that out too.

Well at the very least you can set traps right? NOPE! Because either on their next turn or via monster effect ,spell, or trap on your turn they've got something to blow those up too!

Surely that handtrap is worth something right? NOPE! they've got cross-out designator or call of the haunted to get rid of that too!

So now your sitting here with an empty board having been unable to play the game at all and can do nothing but pass your turn and wait for your opponent to obliterate your LP but wait!

Now they decide to flex on you by performing 30 more unnecessary plays when they could of finished you off at the beginning of the turn by simply entering combat phase and attacking with everything. You have no board, no handtraps, so this is little more than toxic behavior on their part by holding you hostage until you've had enough and hit the surrender button.

This is the NORM for the average player in silver rank and above. THIS is why they dislike modern yugioh, its not because "its not for them" its because they don't even get to play the damned game!

Okay. And if that's the point of the game and you're unhappy with it or not having fun, why are you still playing it? Not everything is going to cater to you and your subjective sense of fun. Sorry not sorry. And also despite all these criticisms that game is still one of the top card games where others have fallen off or outright disappeared, especially in the west. Like I said, I don't have a problem with that, in fact I welcome the challenge. Because it's challenging. Again this is different from people building boards of straight up negates that just outright tell you "No, you can not play, period." Only thing I will agree on is that people who do a victory lap when they clearly already have game is a problem in and of itself, straight up sore winner mentality that is.

Because unlike most old school players who were stuck in the past, i adapted and try to build modern decks with varying levels of success. Tired of losing to meta decks all the time, i buckled and googled a decklist that made 4th in the 2023 national tournament and pasted it into my decks. This is what I call my "Metaslave" a deck I only play when I want to rank up for gems instead of having fun because meta is boring as hell to me and i just want the gems you get from ranking up.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Publicado originalmente por deathsia:

Because unlike most old school players who were stuck in the past, i adapted and try to build modern decks with varying levels of success. Tired of losing to meta decks all the time, i buckled and googled a decklist that made 4th in the 2023 national tournament and pasted it into my decks. This is what I call my "Metaslave" a deck I only play when I want to rank up for gems instead of having fun because meta is boring as hell to me and i just want the gems you get from ranking up.

So instead of finding a deck that can contend with the meta that you can have fun with, you decide to take a modern deck- again let me preface this, not to have fun but to get through the grind. When there are 100%. completely free. community used and community trusted. simulators that not only gives you access to every card for again, 100% free. That also puts actual effort into supporting different formats. How is anything what you said the fault of anyone else?

When I played beetrooper, the deck that was only known for fishing maxx C (which I rarely did), a non meta rogue deck where I got massive win streaks and having fun with it started to lose 100% against branded when it started to really take off with mirrorjade it simply couldn't compete with how resilient that deck was, you know what I did? I didn't make it everyone else'ss problem. I researched strategies that were fun and I played that deck. Sure, I wasn't having as MUCH success but I still could contest with the current metagame. So I applaud you taking the step of taking some accountability and trying to adapt, but if at this point a game, ANY GAME, is a chore to you and you aren't having fun- well then there's not I nor anyone else can do to help you.

Edit: Like I said plenty of times before, if you have a problem with the game that's perfectly fine. If you aren't looking to get a response that differs from your opinion maybe you shouldn't be posting in a 'Discussions' forum and just leave a review or take a certain approach and just create an echo chamber. Shoot I am about to quit Marvel Rivals for my own personal reasons but you won't see me walking over there and complaining to that community about my problems.