Modern Yu-Gi-Oh is boring

[Amogus]

I went to play my first ranked match and spent 6 minutes sitting around waiting for my opponent to play their 50-card combo before my turn. Once my turn began, I placed 1 card and then sat around for another 2 minutes while my opponent was setting up chains, special summoning monsters, and setting/activating spell cards. After that, I just surrendered because I don't care enough about this game to spend more time waiting than actually playing the game

I understand the actual fun gameplay from the old days is gone, but it's ridiculously boring to spend 8 out of 9 minutes in my FIRST EVER DUEL watching my opponent play solitaire. However, I don't understand how there is any level of enjoyment to be had when one single card effect can set up a 5-minute chain that makes you wish you were doing literally anything else with your time

[itzRiceKrispies]

Originally posted by Santa Hoovy:

I went to play my first ranked match and spent 6 minutes sitting around waiting for my opponent to play their 50-card combo before my turn. Once my turn began, I placed 1 card and then sat around for another 2 minutes while my opponent was setting up chains, special summoning monsters, and setting/activating spell cards. After that, I just surrendered because I don't care enough about this game to spend more time waiting than actually playing the game

I understand the actual fun gameplay from the old days is gone, but it's ridiculously boring to spend 8 out of 9 minutes in my FIRST EVER DUEL watching my opponent play solitaire. However, I don't understand how there is any level of enjoyment to be had when one single card effect can set up a 5-minute chain that makes you wish you were doing literally anything else with your time

Its more exciting once u understand what they are doing & actually know how to play Yugioh.

After that, well. Then different emotions appear. Usually emotions involving anger & frustration.

[G3]

My opponent plays the game : game bad
I play the game : game good

[Astrallight]

Morden YGH is just a product of ever rising powercreep. Cause powercreep sells cards and trash cards dont. In my opinion we are already soon reaching crititcal mass what this game goes for. More and more cards will soon have the ''uneffected'' word in it or cant be responded to when used. Combine all this with BO1 format and its just becomes a coinflip game. Which its already is now.

[dark-lord21]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Morden YGH is just a product of ever rising powercreep. Cause powercreep sells cards and trash cards dont. In my opinion we are already soon reaching crititcal mass what this game goes for. More and more cards will soon have the ''uneffected'' word in it or cant be responded to when used. Combine all this with BO1 format and its just becomes a coinflip game. Which its already is now.

nah not even that anymore its basicly ok you have to coinflip to start but the moment you flip the coin you already lost

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

I thought about this recently but I wonder if these people who have these takes could actually tolerate sitting at a tabletop rpg with other players and having to wait their turn if they are this impatient.

Side note aside, modern yugioh just might not be for you OP and that's fine. Other people do enjoy the modern version and if you aren't having fun then don't waste your time. What you can do if you want to try is to check other third party simulators that will help you play older formats of the game or find communities that will allow you to play with other like-minded individuals.

[Otto]

Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:

I thought about this recently but I wonder if these people who have these takes could actually tolerate sitting at a tabletop rpg with other players and having to wait their turn if they are this impatient.

Bro what? When I sit down for a tabletop, I actually get to play my turn when it comes around, unlike Yugioh. The issue is that you wait all this time, only for your turn to get effectively skipped by the saturation of disruption, which can be easily achieved thanks to decks being overly consistent; the people complaining want to play the game, not be a front-row spectator to a solitaire game.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Originally posted by Otto:

Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:

I thought about this recently but I wonder if these people who have these takes could actually tolerate sitting at a tabletop rpg with other players and having to wait their turn if they are this impatient.

Bro what? When I sit down for a tabletop, I actually get to play my turn when it comes around, unlike Yugioh. The issue is that you wait all this time, only for your turn to get effectively skipped by the saturation of disruption, which can be easily achieved thanks to decks being overly consistent; the people complaining want to play the game, not be a front-row spectator to a solitaire game. :Pigeon:

Yeah and I get to play my turn to even if I go second in Yugioh so that's not a point, the coin flip does not matter to me and I have to preface this that I am not a meta player nor do I play board wipes besides a spare nibiru or evenly depending. What I'm trying to say and this is from my experience in playing with decently big groups (3-5 not including myself) and watching podcasts involving tabletop games and having a player wait like literally 10-20 minutes (sometimes the upwards of 30) to do their turn only for them to whiff all their actions, heaven forbid they are unconscious or immobilized or not having any impactful action besides maybe moving to a spot or a scene is playing that doesn't involve them in the slightest that takes like half an hour or more. If they can't wait around 2-3 minutes for their turn and have to use hyperbole to try and get their point across then I can't imagine those same individuals having to sit at a table and focus solely on that. It's straight up TikTok behavior in my opinion.

[Otto]

Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:

Originally posted by Otto:

Bro what? When I sit down for a tabletop, I actually get to play my turn when it comes around, unlike Yugioh. The issue is that you wait all this time, only for your turn to get effectively skipped by the saturation of disruption, which can be easily achieved thanks to decks being overly consistent; the people complaining want to play the game, not be a front-row spectator to a solitaire game.

Yeah and I get to play my turn to even if I go second in Yugioh so that's not a point, the coin flip does not matter to me and I have to preface this that I am not a meta player nor do I play board wipes besides a spare nibiru or evenly depending. What I'm trying to say and this is from my experience in playing with decently big groups (3-5 not including myself) and watching podcasts involving tabletop games and having a player wait like literally 10-20 minutes (sometimes the upwards of 30) to do their turn only for them to whiff all their actions, heaven forbid they are unconscious or immobilized or not having any impactful action besides maybe moving to a spot or a scene is playing that doesn't involve them in the slightest that takes like half an hour or more. If they can't wait around 2-3 minutes for their turn and have to use hyperbole to try and get their point across then I can't imagine those same individuals having to sit at a table and focus solely on that. It's straight up TikTok behavior in my opinion.

"It doesn't happen to me, so it isn't real." Uh huh. Sure.

Welp, pack it in folks, the one card combos, lockdown strategies and failure to open hand traps (i.e. the only things that can make the game remotely playable at this stage) don't happen, despite being widely observed phenomena, because ¿¡Kloey!?² said so.

Joking aside, anecdotal evidence doesn't invalidate what I've said, and trying to write off genuine criticism as either hyperbole or "Tiktok behavior" certainly doesn't make your position any more amenable.

Also, let's not forget that there's been a long-running debate amongst the tabletop community as to whether certain statuses rob players of too much agency in their play, for exactly the same reason I pointed out in my first reply.

There is a notable difference between impatience, and frustration at a total inability to play, to conflate the two just makes it sound like you just want a captive audience.

[itzRiceKrispies]

Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:

I thought about this recently but I wonder if these people who have these takes could actually tolerate sitting at a tabletop rpg with other players and having to wait their turn if they are this impatient.

Side note aside, modern yugioh just might not be for you OP and that's fine. Other people do enjoy the modern version and if you aren't having fun then don't waste your time. What you can do if you want to try is to check other third party simulators that will help you play older formats of the game or find communities that will allow you to play with other like-minded individuals.

Oh ♥♥♥♥. A real D&D campaign would kill them.

That ♥♥♥♥ can take months, they have no idea.

[The Rotten]

The game is too complex to the point of being non-sense. XYZ is stupid. Syncro is stupid. Link is stupid. Everyone plays the lamest most OP cards ever and you can't enjoy the game unless you play he same stupid-ass way they do.

It is an objective fact this franchise has fallen from grace. They tried to keep the game fresh by adding new stuff like a low-tier family sitcom adding new characters. Ended up making the game bloated with no freedom.

If you use Red Eyes Dark Dragoon at any point, I should be allowed to pee in your eye.

Just play with friends. Only way to enjoy it.

[The Rotten]

Oh, also I find it strange how often hand traps appear in the hand of those going second (myself included). Also strange how often various wipes appear in the opening hand. My last 20 matches had this happen to either me or my opponent. It's not what happens when playing paper.

We need true randomness, not this artificial bs.

[e-dood]

Originally posted by itzRiceKrispies:

Originally posted by ¿¡Kloey!?²:

I thought about this recently but I wonder if these people who have these takes could actually tolerate sitting at a tabletop rpg with other players and having to wait their turn if they are this impatient.

Side note aside, modern yugioh just might not be for you OP and that's fine. Other people do enjoy the modern version and if you aren't having fun then don't waste your time. What you can do if you want to try is to check other third party simulators that will help you play older formats of the game or find communities that will allow you to play with other like-minded individuals.

Oh ♥♥♥♥. A real D&D campaign would kill them.

That ♥♥♥♥ can take months, they have no idea.

Sometimes you get nothing much done in a single session.

[The Rotten]

Originally posted by G3:

My opponent plays the game : game bad
I play the game : game good

Way to oversimplify a serious issue that is harming the game.

[e-dood]

Originally posted by The Rotten:

The game is too complex to the point of being non-sense. XYZ is stupid. Syncro is stupid. Link is stupid.

Skill issue.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Originally posted by Otto:

"It doesn't happen to me, so it isn't real." Uh huh. Sure.

Never said that. People's problems with a game aren't always going to be 1:1. Have I lost a game due to coinflip? Yeah sure but I rather deal with that then dealing with either bricking on resources or not drawing enough resources from other games and even then that's not a universal issue for some people as I can only speak for myself that when going second even with bad hands I've been able to win games. Heck a good chunk of my losses come from me misplaying from an overload of information and that's a skill issue of mine.

Originally posted by Otto:

Welp, pack it in folks, the one card combos, lockdown strategies and failure to open hand traps (i.e. the only things that can make the game remotely playable at this stage) don't happen, despite being widely observed phenomena, because ¿¡Kloey!?² said so. :Pigeon:

I understand you're taking the piss so I'm not gonna harp on this point too much despite that not being what I said nor is what was even remotely alluded to.

Originally posted by Otto:

Joking aside, anecdotal evidence doesn't invalidate what I've said, and trying to write off genuine criticism as either hyperbole or "Tiktok behavior" certainly doesn't make your position any more amenable.

Please name me a deck that can use 50 cards and is somehow able to do all of that within the span of 6 minutes. The only time I can even see that happening is if a 'That grass looks greener' resolves and I want that card gone. And again this wasn't pointed at OP directly, it was more so the general consensus on these hyperbolic takes where people use the buzzword solitaire because they can't even articulate an original viewpoint for their criticism. And it's 'Tiktok' behavior because they need to play right now, they don't want to wait they want to play NOW! STOP USING THE TIME THE GAME ALLOWS YOU TO USE! EVEN THOUGH I CAN USE THAT SAME TIME TOO! I WANT TO PLAY NOW. WHY WONT YOU LET ME PLAY NOW? OH AND WHEN I DO PLAY YOU JUST STOP EVERYTHING I DO?! OKAY GREAT, GAME SUCKS! HOW CAN ANYONE EVER HAVE FUN LIKE THIS!? IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!

It's exhausting because people can't understand different strokes for different folks. Again all of this is not pointed directly at OP, he is allowed to vent considering this may very well be his introductory into the modern game and I don't know he's playing DM era pile or something. The whole tabletop analogy was just an off remark where if I am to be fair the main difference is with the tabletop you are constantly being fed new information where if you play YGO, if you have experience fighting a deck you aren't necessarily receiving that.

Originally posted by Otto:

Also, let's not forget that there's been a long-running debate amongst the tabletop community as to whether certain statuses rob players of too much agency in their play, for exactly the same reason I pointed out in my first reply.

And I don't disagree with that. I have stated before that decks that pump out more negates that are reasonable and hand loops are not healthy for the game in my opinion.

Originally posted by Otto:

There is a notable difference between impatience, and frustration at a total inability to play, to conflate the two just makes it sound like you just want a captive audience.

See I would agree with you other than the fact that people are actively choosing to play a game they don't have the patience to be playing. You know what I do when I find a game I don't like? I stop playing it and I don't make it other people's business. If you want to leave a review? Go ahead! I encourage that, even! Sometimes it's not that they aren't playing against an unbreakable board, it's that their opponent is taking too long to play. I am of the sound mind that however you want to play is your prerogative and you should not shame other people for doing so cause they aren't playing a game the way you want them to for your own self satisfaction. What makes your fun more important than their fun? https://youtu.be/tRA7gxgqirg?si=vh0HCpbJ07FK5YOE