It's insane how anaconda and baronne aren't banned yet

[Allen Hollow]

every duel i had against dragoon players it's the same pattern, anaconda for a free fusion summon, after it they summon baronne for extra player of protection a generic synchro card easy to summon free negation and destruction every turn without any restriction, it's genuinely disgusting

[D/D/D]

Just because you are struggling against them, it does not mean they are ban worthy. The two cards do not define the current meta.

[Allen Hollow]

Автор сообщения: leo

Just because you are struggling against them, it does not mean they are ban worthy. The two cards do not define the current meta.

yeah you are totally right bro, next time i'll improve and use the right cards to counter them! thank you for your generic answer bro!

[Exvalcore]

Yea just draw the out, but what do you do when they have 6 negates, draw the cards that can't be negated, riveting game design.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Eh, I think that Barronne could go because S.P can reset it's negate and making S.P is pretty easy - but S.P is also pretty balanced so I don't think banning that card is wise.

As for Anaconda, on principal of cheating out cards, I agree but it also helps offset that absolute nonsense that happens in this game with excessive hand trap spam.

[Meneluma]

I feel like some of these should just get a slight material cost errata like Goyo Guardian got in the past just so every single deck couldn't splash it.

While I'm used to Baronne in every single Centur-ion and swordsoul deck and dragoon in every dark magician or fusion deck, I think that's okay.

But I feel really disappointed when I see some rarely played deck like Vaalmonica, myutant or Adamancipator combo off, and the endboard looks exactly the same as it would on swordsoul or the like.

As much as I get salty when PUNK decks bring out Psychic End Punisher which is tenfold worse than either of those two, that's like their thing, you don't see much of that elsewhere.

[itzRiceKrispies]

Автор сообщения: Allen Hollow

Автор сообщения: leo

Just because you are struggling against them, it does not mean they are ban worthy. The two cards do not define the current meta.

yeah you are totally right bro, next time i'll improve and use the right cards to counter them! thank you for your generic answer bro!

We could say the same about ur generic post.

[G3]

Master Duel is a different format. Since new cards don't have to compete with older power cards since everything funnels into gem sales. We end up with a higher power format keeping powerful cards around that have gotten powercrept or made irrelevant due to the new decks making better use of their resources.

Verte is only as relevant as its targets. Dragoon and DPE aren't good enough to pack into the top decks' main and extra decks. Crazy to say that Verte is powercrept at this point. It's only being represented tier 2 or lower decks.

Barrone is right at that edge at the moment. Pushing up weaker decks that can make it. But, oppressive as that extra negate in the top tier decks. From I've seen. The current metagame in paper could care less if it was still legal or not.

[D/D/D]

Автор сообщения: Allen Hollow

Автор сообщения: leo

Just because you are struggling against them, it does not mean they are ban worthy. The two cards do not define the current meta.

yeah you are totally right bro, next time i'll improve and use the right cards to counter them! thank you for your generic answer bro!

God forbid you git gud. I'm not sure what you were expecting, but I ain't Shakespeare, and you're not the first to cry about Baronne de Fleur.

[itzRiceKrispies]

Автор сообщения: G3

Barrone is right at that edge at the moment. Pushing up weaker decks that can make it. But, oppressive as that extra negate in the top tier decks. From I've seen. The current metagame in paper could care less if it was still legal or not.

The frustrating thing is that it was the same in the TCG when Baronne & Savage were banned. Snake-Eyes pure was the only high tier deck playing them at the time in conjunction with Jet Synchron; & they were only doing this specifically in-order to get a monster negate to stop Nibiru since Nibiru usage rose to stop snake-Eyes, specifically Fire King Snake. They aren't banned in the OCG & aren't causing problems there either.

And we saw how little Snake-Eyes cared about their loss.
https://ygoprodeck.com/tournament/ycs-indianapolis-1874

OH NO, anyway.....

The only reason they were banned is cause they were planning on releasing the Fiendsmith engine & they saw Baronne and Savage as a threat to its sales. Since it was like 600$ for those cards new & y would u pay that much when u can just keep running Baronne & Savage with Princess & Zealantis, ft. Salamangreat Phoenix.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

When both of these become actual problems maybe then they'll get hit, until then they're allowed to exist

[Silyon]

Автор сообщения: Allen Hollow

Автор сообщения: leo

Just because you are struggling against them, it does not mean they are ban worthy. The two cards do not define the current meta.

yeah you are totally right bro, next time i'll improve and use the right cards to counter them! thank you for your generic answer bro!

Out of curiosity, how ARE you trying to counter them? What type of removal is your deck using, and are you using anything at all that does something during the opponent's turn? Because the best way to counter monsters with free negates on them is to keep them from being summoned in the first place.

[Meneluma]

Автор сообщения: Silyon

Out of curiosity, how ARE you trying to counter them? What type of removal is your deck using, and are you using anything at all that does something during the opponent's turn?

Super Starslayer TY-PHON - Sky Crisis Is a generic means to get through a Baronne SP Little Knight board any deck can use, it isn't ideal since you have to go to combat to take out the little knight by slamming into it, then detach to bounce Baronne, running the risk of getting any battle traps to go off, but usually it shuts down all monster effects because most the things people summon have big attack stats.
It is still not a full wipe, but it tends to clear the way for a Raigeki.
This gets completely hosed if they summon Fairy Tail Snow out of the graveyard on top of that, but that's not that frequent.

Raigeki chain 1 then chain 2 or higher Forbidden Droplet to pitch Raigeki for cost, and possibly another monster to avoid any more responses tends to clean up boards nicely too.

Dragoon can be rough though, as depending on the skill of the players, they won't take the negate bait on anything unless it absolutely threatens something.

[Astrallight]

Автор сообщения: leo

Just because you are struggling against them, it does not mean they are ban worthy. The two cards do not define the current meta.

You right. Secret Village is now what every deck with a spellcaster will turbo out.

[Yoshikami]

Автор сообщения: itzRiceKrispies

The only reason they were banned is cause they were planning on releasing the Fiendsmith engine & they saw Baronne and Savage as a threat to its sales.

It's funny when people forget that this could be the reason things get banned or why they don't get banned. Yugioh is a business and they make money by printing new cards that they expect people to buy.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Автор сообщения: Meneluma

Автор сообщения: Silyon

Out of curiosity, how ARE you trying to counter them? What type of removal is your deck using, and are you using anything at all that does something during the opponent's turn?

Super Starslayer TY-PHON - Sky Crisis Is a generic means to get through a Baronne SP Little Knight board any deck can use, it isn't ideal since you have to go to combat to take out the little knight by slamming into it, then detach to bounce Baronne, running the risk of getting any battle traps to go off, but usually it shuts down all monster effects because most the things people summon have big attack stats.
It is still not a full wipe, but it tends to clear the way for a Raigeki.
This gets completely hosed if they summon Fairy Tail Snow out of the graveyard on top of that, but that's not that frequent.

Raigeki chain 1 then chain 2 or higher Forbidden Droplet to pitch Raigeki for cost, and possibly another monster to avoid any more responses tends to clean up boards nicely too.

Dragoon can be rough though, as depending on the skill of the players, they won't take the negate bait on anything unless it absolutely threatens something.

*Laughs in 2 effect Chaos Angel*

To be fair though, if you're not running a Lava Golem you're probably in bad shape if someone makes a Barronne/SP/Chaos Angel or a Chaos Angel/Dragoon turn 1.