spoilers on lore of white forest?

[Raven]

1) I hate this is making me regret never playing snake eyes because I genuinely am really into this for the lore

2) With the Azamina cards and looking into them, is there a link between white forest/sinful spoils/dogmatika? IS dogmatika the origin of the demons that corrupted the white forest? For the record, I have no clue what the Dogmatika story/lore is with albian, someone just pointed out some of the Azamina cards have traits found from the Dogmatika cards

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Maybe it's because of the Azamina Debtors artwork looks like it is from Dogmatika Nation, I might be wrong. Even though their effects don't mention each other, the artwork might be it.

[Raven]

Originally posted by IsZ:

Maybe it's because of the Azamina Debtors artwork looks like it is from Dogmatika Nation, I might be wrong. Even though their effects don't mention each other, the artwork might be it.

The card specifically that was pointed out the link was the azamina regina which seems to have a crown/halo like feature found on some of the dogmatika cards

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I can't look at Azamina cards for a long time, they are creepy as heck. But yeah I can somehow see their artwork design is kinda like Dogmatika, maybe they were drawn by the same person.

[Raven]

Originally posted by IsZ:

I can't look at Azamina cards for a long time, they are creepy as heck. But yeah I can somehow see their artwork design is kinda like Dogmatika, maybe they were drawn by the same person.

I mean, that checks out on the creepiness. It's supposed to be the root of evil/sin that corrupted the white forest, its like supposed to be primordial evil stuff or something.

From looking more into things, while some art choices/effects are similar between azamina and dogmatika/despia, whether there is supposed to be a link or possible link in the future is unclear and is only speculation I guess :S

[Raven]

I thought this was interesting, but not particularly relevant. I made a list of all the cards minus the goblins, and used a 1 of to see what a "lore deck" would look like, and with the cards currently announced, a lore deck (without goblins) the deck looks like this:

Main Deck Monster: (14)

"Astellar of the White Forest"
"Diabellstar the Black Witch"
"Diabellze the Original Sinkeeper"
"Elzette of the White Forest"
"Elzette, Azamina of the White Forest"
"Queen of the Azamina"
"Rucia of the White Forest"
"Silvy of the White Forest"
"Snake-Eye Ash"
"Snake-Eye Birch"
"Snake-Eye Oak"
"Snake-Eyes Diabellstar"
"Snake-Eyes Flamberge Dragon"
"Snake-Eyes Poplar"

Main Deck Spell: (17)

"Azamina Debtors"
"Beware the White Forest"
"Deception of the Sinful Spoils"
"Divine Temple of the Snake-Eye"
"Dramatic Snake-Eye Chase"
"Like the Diabell"
"Original Sinful Spoils - Snake-Eye"
"Play the Diabell"
"Scourge of the White Forest"
"Sinful Spoils of Doom - Rciela"
"Sinful Spoils of Subversion - Snake-Eye"
"Sinful Spoils of the White Forest"
"Sinful Spoils Struggle"
"Susurrus of the Sinful Spoils"
"Tales of the White Forest"
"The Hallowed Azamina"
"WANTED: Seeker of Sinful Spoils"

Main Deck Trap: (9)

"Azamina Determination"
"Azamina Unleashing"
"Guilt of the Sinful Spoils"
"Sinful Spoils Awakening"
"Sinful Spoils of Betrayal - Silvera"
"Sinful Spoils of Slumber - Morrian"
"Sinful Spoils Subdual"
"Startling Stare of the Snake-Eyes"
"Woes of the White Forest"

Extra Deck: (9)

"Azamina Ilia Silvia"
"Azamina Moa Regina"
"Azamina Mu Rcielago"
"Azamina Sol Erysichthon"
"Diabell, Queen of the White Forest"
"Rciela, Sinister Soul of the White Forest"
"Silvera, Wolf Tamer of the White Forest"
"Snake-Eyes Damned Dragon"
"St. Azamina"


Edit: while not competitive...it actually looks functional? I don't know enough about snake-eyes itself, but from what little I looked at, each card seems to be fine to work together for this to work out far better than it has any right to

[Thain]

Isn't Goblin Biker part of it?

[Raven]

Originally posted by Thain:

Isn't Goblin Biker part of it?

I made sure to point out TWICE I didn't include them...I kept with the past/relevance to the diabell (both) story. The goblins are there as bounty hunters trying to catch debellstar, the only relevance they have is that somehow the beast accidentally ate one of the spoils at some unknown time with some unknown affiliation to the white forest.

[HeraldOfOpera]

People who don't understand the reference think that two things referencing Christian theology are referencing each other. More at 11.

[Raven]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

People who don't understand the reference think that two things referencing Christian theology are referencing each other. More at 11.

There is literally a ton of different theology through this whole thing, there is greek, celtic, christian and some Japanese. At what point was any of this about Christian specifically? Is there some link to dogmatika I don't know? and rather than being snide, you could explain things to me since that's what I actually want from this discussion

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Originally posted by Raven:

For the record, I have no clue what the Dogmatika story/lore is with albaz, someone just pointed out some of the Azamina cards have traits found from the Dogmatika cards

Unless I'm mistaken, most of the Dogmatika thought Fallen of Albaz was dangerous, so they had to hunt him down. Ecclesia found Albaz but spared his life.

[Raven]

The new cards look sick! I'm loving the new cards, Azamina is looking especially boss-worthy

Azamina
Attribute LIGHT
Types Illusion / Fusion / Effect
Level 12
ATK / DEF 4000 / 4000

"Queen of the Azamina" + 1 Fusion or Synchro Monster

Must first be either Fusion Summoned, or Special Summoned (from your Extra Deck) by Tributing 1 "St. Azamina" you control and 1 face-up monster your opponent controls. Cannot be destroyed by card effects. Each time your opponent activates a card or effect, all monsters your opponent controls lose 500 ATK immediately after it resolves. Your opponent cannot activate the effects of monsters with 0 ATK.

The other Diabel cards are looking great too, so much synergy! More hi-speed syncs and synergy with snake-eyes too:

Mystic Mystery of the White Forest
Attribute FIRE
Types Illusion / Synchro / Tuner / Effect
Level 4 CG
ATK / DEF 700 / 2000

1 Tuner + 1+ non-Tuner monsters

If this card is Special Summoned: You can target 2 "White Forest" monsters in your GY; place them face-up in their owners' Spell & Trap Zones as Continuous Spells. During your opponent's Main Phase, you can (Quick Effect): Immediately after this effect resolves, Synchro Summon using this card you control. You can only use each effect of "Mystic Mystery of the White Forest" once per turn.

And more, I really think this deck with everything (but goblins) mixed in is going to be crazy good

[Terminal Desolation]

Ooooh, more ways to synchro on the opponent's turn? That's kinda nice. I've been reliant on the Centur-Ion field spell for that since you can technically still make Diabell or Chaos Angel (sometimes Baronne too) off of it, depending on the situation.