How the hell do I counter Red Eyes Black Dragoon

[Thegreninjagal]

I think it's legitimately impossible to do so without sheer luck. it can't be killed with card effects, if you try to banish it it negates that AND gets stronger, and it has Blue Eyes level attack so if it negates one thing it's unkillable. how the hell did this mistake get designed...

[Roki]

in ocg/tcg dragoon was released near the same time Triple Tactics Talent was (with a non target change of heart) so yeah, use TTT grab dragoon for yourself : )

[Keynomaru]

These 2 are easiest you can run in your deck without much consequence
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Scareclaw_Tri-Heart
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Super_Starslayer_TY-PHON_-_Sky_Crisis

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by itzRiceKrispies:

Originally posted by Raven:

I've ran into Dragoon ~6 times, all of them were through vert or the muddy/albian method. I've yet to see him summoned properly with fusion,

It's because Red-Eyes as a pure deck has aged like milk. It can't do ♥♥♥♥ post MR4.
Maybe if u ran it as an engine in Dragonmaid or D-Link? Idk. D-Link is getting its power back, sadly. They would definitely appreciate a Dragoon to their end board, but not if it interferes with their consistency.

I have no idea how Dragonmaids would run it. I haven't played that deck much.

"Aged like milk" implies it was ever in a playable state to begin with. I'm going to call you out on that lie by omission.

[itzRiceKrispies]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Originally posted by itzRiceKrispies:

It's because Red-Eyes as a pure deck has aged like milk. It can't do ♥♥♥♥ post MR4.
Maybe if u ran it as an engine in Dragonmaid or D-Link? Idk. D-Link is getting its power back, sadly. They would definitely appreciate a Dragoon to their end board, but not if it interferes with their consistency.

I have no idea how Dragonmaids would run it. I haven't played that deck much.

"Aged like milk" implies it was ever in a playable state to begin with. I'm going to call you out on that lie by omission.

It was playable in MR4. It wasn't good, but it could almost* consistently get to Red-Eyes Slash.

It was really when Drytron & Swordsoul walked in during the earlier parts of MR5 & brought with them incredible power-creep that Red-Eyes really began to suck. Ironically this happened a little after Dragoon came out; & ofc Anaconda saw to it that Dragoon was better support for every other deck in the game then Red-Eyes, since Anaconda doesn't lock them out of any additional summons.

Tragic really.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Roki:

in ocg/tcg dragoon was released near the same time Triple Tactics Talent was (with a non target change of heart) so yeah, use TTT grab dragoon for yourself : )

That is why I run Secret Village with my Dragoon Runick Horus deck lol.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Are people actually using Dragoon over DPE now, or is this part of the "unban hype train" that will die down?

[itzRiceKrispies]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Are people actually using Dragoon over DPE now, or is this part of the "unban hype train" that will die down?

They are used in different decks for different reasons. I'll give a brief history.

DPE was mostly used in the Adventure engine/decks, specifically in combination with Anaconda and Cherubini. He was better in combo and mid range builds who could fit the engine, however the engine was pretty big and many other decks couldn't run it. It also requires running a few Garnets. Something people nowadays really don't like if they can help it. DPE is likely the main reason Anaconda was banned in the TCG, though possibly not the only reason.

Dragoon found success as a better overall generic & was most successful in the TCG with Stun & hard control decks. Once Anaconda got banned, Dragoon Stall started using Subterror Guru and every stall or stun card in the game in as many as possible. Even Skill Drain. He's the reason TCBOO, Gozen, Rivalry, & Summon Limit got limited. B4 Summon Limit got banned anyway. Tbf it's debatable as to whether or not he was the primary reason for Summon Limit being limited, but I saw firsthand how the other 3 got limited after Dragoon Stall started topping tourney's.

Right now in MD Dragoon is doing mostly what we expected him to do. He is giving Rogue & weaker Tier 3 decks a ♥♥♥♥♥ fit, while the power houses in Tier 1 & 2 are keeping him at bay.

[Raven]

Originally posted by itzRiceKrispies:

Right now in MD Dragoon is doing mostly what we expected him to do. He is giving Rogue & weaker Tier 3 decks a ♥♥♥♥♥ fit, while the power houses in Tier 1 & 2 are keeping him at bay.

^Which is dumb and I default to "your own fault" (your being generalized, not specifically *your* fault itzRiceKrispies). There is enough generic options and things that people should just be playing in a Bo1 format *ANYWAY* that if those people have no outs to dragoon, that's a serious oversight in the deck build, regardless of the tier of the deck. It can be understood and just feel bad if you have like 1-2 outs but never get them when dragoon hits, that sucks; but that should invoke the "RIGGED! bad game!" posts, not "I can't beat it" posts.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by Roki:

in ocg/tcg dragoon was released near the same time Triple Tactics Talent was (with a non target change of heart) so yeah, use TTT grab dragoon for yourself : )

That is why I run Secret Village with my Dragoon Runick Horus deck lol.

Nice. Your contribution to get Secret Village banned in the future is appraised

[itzRiceKrispies]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

That is why I run Secret Village with my Dragoon Runick Horus deck lol.

Nice. Your contribution to get Secret Village banned in the future is appraised

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

That is why I run Secret Village with my Dragoon Runick Horus deck lol.

Thank you for your service

[Lasagna]

bait the negate then just banish/send/spin/bounce/tribute it.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Are people actually using Dragoon over DPE now, or is this part of the "unban hype train" that will die down?

I dont even see DPE any longer. Dragoon is now the new Verte target. And Blue Eyes/DM players have asked to get him unbanned for like 3 years now.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

That is why I run Secret Village with my Dragoon Runick Horus deck lol.

Nice. Your contribution to get Secret Village banned in the future is appraised

Gotta do my part, lol. What an insane floodgate.

[Furry Garbage]

Underworld Goddess, any Kaiju, beat over it, Lava Golem, the list goes on.