How the hell do I counter Red Eyes Black Dragoon

[Thegreninjagal]

I think it's legitimately impossible to do so without sheer luck. it can't be killed with card effects, if you try to banish it it negates that AND gets stronger, and it has Blue Eyes level attack so if it negates one thing it's unkillable. how the hell did this mistake get designed...

[itzRiceKrispies]

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

Publicado originalmente por Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

Soul Exchange targets so you have to negate Dragoon first

I believe they're referring to the card literally named "Spell Card "Soul Exchange"", not the original "Soul Exchange".

Honest question. How does that stupid card even work?

[dabestgamer]

Publicado originalmente por itzRiceKrispies:

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

I believe they're referring to the card literally named "Spell Card "Soul Exchange"", not the original "Soul Exchange".

Honest question. How does that stupid card even work?

From the way it reads, unless I'm mistaken, it seems as though it lets you perform a Tribute Summon using any monster(s) on the field.

Then, since it'll get sent from the field to the GY after resolving (barring effects like Macro Cosmos), your opponent will get to do the same thing (except they cannot Tribute the monster that was Tribute Summoned).

[TTVfolfyseesall]

Publicado originalmente por Thegreninjagal:

super Polymerization requires one to run a deck with Fusion in it, which a lot of archetypes don't run fusion....

exactly why I run branded/despia/dragoon cuz if you bring out dragoon, I'm gonna bait the negate then fuse it with my despia monsters for starving venom or masquerade or albaz if I put one on field for mirrorjade

[76561199237019176]

Publicado originalmente por itzRiceKrispies:

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

I believe they're referring to the card literally named "Spell Card "Soul Exchange"", not the original "Soul Exchange".

Honest question. How does that stupid card even work?

You make sure your field is empty when you use it because your opponent can tribute your monsters besides the one that you summoned by it's effect.

Also, it says your opponent "can", so it doesn't force your opponent to tribute their own monsters like I had thought.

edit: Also, the tribute summon by this effect is an extra normal summon, so you can still normal after it.

[itzRiceKrispies]

Publicado originalmente por TTVfolfyseesall:

Publicado originalmente por Thegreninjagal:

super Polymerization requires one to run a deck with Fusion in it, which a lot of archetypes don't run fusion....

exactly why I run branded/despia/dragoon cuz if you bring out dragoon, I'm gonna bait the negate then fuse it with my despia monsters for starving venom or masquerade or albaz if I put one on field for mirrorjade

Branded Despia is a fusion deck man. I think u misunderstood the point of that comment.

Also yes, baiting out the negate and playing thru Dragoon is the default way to beat him. Branded can fuse basically anything. Its all that deck does.

[itzRiceKrispies]

@Chumz & Dabestgamer

Doesn't it say "but it cannot be tributed this turn".

So when is it happening?

[76561199237019176]

Publicado originalmente por itzRiceKrispies:

@Chumz & Dabestgamer

Doesn't it say "but it cannot be tributed this turn".

So when is it happening?

It means it cannot be tributed by your opponent.
First you tribute their monsters, then they get a chance to tribute your monsters, but they cannot tribute the one you just summoned by this effect.

[Mysnomer, aspiring chocod]

TY-PHON both stops dragoon from negating and can bounce him. Unfortunately, if your opponent didn't go through Verte or Muddragon lines and just hard casts a Red-Eyes Fusion, you won't get the free Typhon, but that's also vulnerable to Ash Blossom. I think Hieratic Seals is also a non-target bounce if you're doing dragon stuff.

[76561199237019176]

Publicado originalmente por Mysnomer, aspiring chocod:

I think Hieratic Seals is also a non-target bounce if you're doing dragon stuff.

The problem with Seals is that it only works on the opponent's turn, same as the unchained link monster. You'll have to eat 2 negates from Dragoon if you didn't go first.

[Croustifiak]

Forbidden droplet is a staple usable in any deck and totally screw dragoon :

Dont target, and if a monster is used as cost, can't be negated by dragoon's effect.

TTTalent also work by stealing him once he negated.

Other than this, most competitive deck got an in archetype out, it's more about playing around another omni negate than the tower itself.

[DontMisunderstand]

You need to have 2 non-destruction, non-targeting removal sources. Simple as that. Or one non-destruction, non-targeting removal source that also cannot be responded to. Or a non-targeting lingering negation effect and a removal source as well. Generally, just have 2 outs.

[Glory]

kaijus work well for me as dragoons effect cant activate off of being tributed

[Just end trashbag.]

designed is wrong. unban was the mistake. Either slip in kaiju for brick fest or non targeting AND cannot be response to like dark ruler no more, forbidden droplet and super poly. Again another brick fest. Or else just call it a day and blame skill drain like usual.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Publicado originalmente por Just end trashbag.:

designed is wrong. unban was the mistake. Either slip in kaiju for brick fest or non targeting AND cannot be response to like dark ruler no more, forbidden droplet and super poly. Again another brick fest. Or else just call it a day and blame skill drain like usual.

Don't use DRNM unless you're Ojama, Forbidden Droplet is never a brick, and Super Poly targets so you have to negate it first

[Croustifiak]

Publicado originalmente por Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

Publicado originalmente por Just end trashbag.:

designed is wrong. unban was the mistake. Either slip in kaiju for brick fest or non targeting AND cannot be response to like dark ruler no more, forbidden droplet and super poly. Again another brick fest. Or else just call it a day and blame skill drain like usual.

Don't use DRNM unless you're Ojama, Forbidden Droplet is never a brick, and Super Poly targets so you have to negate it first

Superpoly doesn't target, the only things that protect from the effect is being unaffected by magic/opponent card.