Is there a card game more poorly designed than yugioh?

[Kageakuma]

Just curious at this point since it feels like yugioh is designed by a corporation who forgot what a card game is about.

[Ratty]

HeraldOfOpera の投稿を引用：

If there is, it most likely died so quickly that you never heard of it. Yugioh only made it so long because it had an anime to carry it until it was too big to fail.

The 90s and early aughts are littered with the graves of dead TCGs. Because it didn't take companies long to notice that a successful TCG is the closest thing this side of a casino to a license to print money. There's even a lot of TCGs that were based on popular anime and movies that didn't make it*.

I think the game quickly becoming the core product for YGO rather than just a cash-in really helped in that respect. Also while imperfect like all things under the sun, I don't think the original core design for Konami's YGO is BAD, which helped.

*I probably would have played the hell out of the Slayers game had it come state side even if it sucked.

[Ratty]

Tunnel Sharks Rule!!! の投稿を引用：

The very first iteration of Digimon TCG

I've heard the original version was better but the English release dumbed it down so much it removed any semblance of strategy or skill.

[Merilirem]

Of course there is. MTG has problems from the ground up. LANDS SUCK. They also ended up with infinite combo's everywhere. Whether that's worse than Yugioh is up for debate. We do have dumb things going on that shouldn't.

However besides that there are dozens of bad games that will die before long. Hearthstone clones out the wazoo.

Yugioh could be A LOT better with updated design practices and a revamp of its basic play. However it could definitely be a lot worse.

[Merilirem]

Ratty の投稿を引用：

Tunnel Sharks Rule!!! の投稿を引用：

The very first iteration of Digimon TCG

I've heard the original version was better but the English release dumbed it down so much it removed any semblance of strategy or skill.

Which sounds insane but people do tend to mistake accessibility for boring.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Ratty の投稿を引用：

Tunnel Sharks Rule!!! の投稿を引用：

The very first iteration of Digimon TCG

I've heard the original version was better but the English release dumbed it down so much it removed any semblance of strategy or skill.

Yeah I was referring to the English version's initial release

[Ratty]

Merilirem の投稿を引用：

Which sounds insane but people do tend to mistake accessibility for boring.

It was probably a decision made by a corporate suit who doesn't like or understand the appeal of tabletop games. To a lot of people like that every game is either literally Chess (or perhaps poker) or it's Candyland, an entirely luck dependent exercise in random card pulling/dice rolling to distract children. Someone like that would probably think the game being more complex than "monster with higher points beats monster with lower points" would alienate the kids they were trying to sell to.

[Papa Shekels]

Terminal Desolation の投稿を引用：

thanks, now I'm remembering Caravan

in all my 500+ hours of New Vegas I never got that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ achievement

My brain developed a block against it. I always read the instructions, said I'll try it out later, and could never fully understand or remember it. After over a thousand hours, I said I'll sit down and start a new run with the specific intent of getting those achievements. I got them, and still don't remember how caravan works anymore

[Just Life]

Does this count?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/583950/Artifact/

[TormentedSalad]

Hearthstone without a doubt been playing it on the side because it's a gold sink for battlegrounds.

It has miserable pull rates the game isn't any better balanced I would actually argue it's worse and on top of that you have tons of highroll rng effects that feel bad

[Profile Name]

99% of the cards in Shadowverse are useless

[Kageakuma]

TormentedSalad の投稿を引用：

Hearthstone without a doubt been playing it on the side because it's a gold sink for battlegrounds.

It has miserable pull rates the game isn't any better balanced I would actually argue it's worse and on top of that you have tons of highroll rng effects that feel bad

I was about to say I am surprised no one brought Hearthstone into the mix lol

[Kageakuma]

Profile Name の投稿を引用：

99% of the cards in Shadowverse are useless

Dang it.... Shadowverse is still not good?