''Blue-eyes'' players

[Daviodraan]

Imagine the archetype getting a huge buff to consistency, only for it to get used as just another generic boss monster summoning engine.
The ladder honestly shares a single brain cell.

As an (actual) Blue-eyes player, I'm disappointed, but it was to be expected.

[Yerc2]

Pick your poison.

Either your favourite archetype gets stupidly strong support and new cards, so that it can compete with years of powercreep. Resulting in it becoming more generic; abandoning it's original cards and the identity of it's original playstyle.

Or your favourite archetype doesn't get support(or not good enough support to be viable), so the only chance you'd have any reasonable manner of success with it is in the lowest ranks, or custom games with pre-arranged banlists.

Then you have the new XYZ Dragon Cannon cards which have a bit of both issues! Not only do they push aside the older XYZ cards, but they're also not too great.
At least they still have the same banishing fusion playstyle.

I wholeheartedly agree with your semantics.
There are so many archetypes and cards that I aesthetically and thematically love, but they're just dead weight. No amount of support could both preserve them and make them viable at the same time.
That's just the hole Konami has balanced Yu-Gi-Oh into.

[G3]

Unless your rocking all the Blue-Eyes accessories and RP'ing as Kaiba with his deck list from the anime. Card for card. You're not a real Blue-Eyes player.

Get over it. If decks can make use of other good cards. They should play them. Effect Veiler is not a Blue-Eyes card. It isn't the intended target of Sage with Eyes of Blue. Same with any rank 8s they can make. You're not a real Galaxy-Eyes player if you summon Hope Harbinger in Blue-Eyes.

[Meneluma]

The instances of me seeing the new blue eyes cards seemed to be genuine blue eyes lists. But Crimson Dragon was involved, so I'm guessing OP got that blue eyes dropped in some Centur-ion slop pile and made this thread.

Crimson Dragon is the problem.

[Malmal]

Originalmente postado por G3:

Unless your rocking all the Blue-Eyes accessories and RP'ing as Kaiba with his deck list from the anime. Card for card. You're not a real Blue-Eyes player.

Get over it. If decks can make use of other good cards. They should play them. Effect Veiler is not a Blue-Eyes card. It isn't the intended target of Sage with Eyes of Blue. Same with any rank 8s they can make. You're not a real Galaxy-Eyes player if you summon Hope Harbinger in Blue-Eyes.

This reminds me from KingScarlet yt shorts lmao

[Daviodraan]

Originalmente postado por Papa Shekels:

What exactly is even generic in blue eyes? The only thing I've seen people do outside their archetype without primite is using crimson dragon to cheat out syfr or something

That's one big issue, sure. But not the only one. I've legitimately played against mostly (legit out 8/10 duels scenario) blue-eyes decks that have an endboard with 0 blue-eyes cards except for the mausoleum field. It's quite silly.

[Daviodraan]

Originalmente postado por Meneluma:

The instances of me seeing the new blue eyes cards seemed to be genuine blue eyes lists. But Crimson Dragon was involved, so I'm guessing OP got that blue eyes dropped in some Centur-ion slop pile and made this thread.

Crimson Dragon is the problem.

That surely is a huge problem, yes. And I've encountered a few actually blue-eyes focused duels since posting this, but they are in the minority.

[Daviodraan]

Originalmente postado por Yerc2:

Pick your poison.

Either your favourite archetype gets stupidly strong support and new cards, so that it can compete with years of powercreep. Resulting in it becoming more generic; abandoning it's original cards and the identity of it's original playstyle.

Or your favourite archetype doesn't get support(or not good enough support to be viable), so the only chance you'd have any reasonable manner of success with it is in the lowest ranks, or custom games with pre-arranged banlists.

Then you have the new XYZ Dragon Cannon cards which have a bit of both issues! Not only do they push aside the older XYZ cards, but they're also not too great.
At least they still have the same banishing fusion playstyle.

I wholeheartedly agree with your semantics.
There are so many archetypes and cards that I aesthetically and thematically love, but they're just dead weight. No amount of support could both preserve them and make them viable at the same time.
That's just the hole Konami has balanced Yu-Gi-Oh into.

I mean, some rather old decks (Specially main character/antagonist Anime decks for obvious reasons) have had some good support the past few years, but yeah. A large amount of decks are in a limbo of ''Can't compete with anything with even slightly more QoL or consistency than me, at all'' or ''Archetype is now stronger, so it's either busted, or just used as another engine for the same generic bosses and staples everyone has been playing in competitive for the past few years by now (more or less)''

[Daviodraan]

Originalmente postado por DontMisunderstand:

Originalmente postado por Raven:

Can I be honest? It's pretty lame when people are like "X is my archetype, I liked it forever, but now its meta and people ruined it". Your favorite deck is hitting the lime light. Okay, its not played how *you* want it, but if you're truly an "X player!" you should be happy for the success and enjoy its time while you can. It could literally be a decade again before you get a chance to shine again.

Disliking meta just to dislike it, and then being unhappy its your decks turn to shine, makes me wonder do you REALLY like the archetype, or was it just something that was cool because few others were playing it?

NOTE: "you" in this isn't singling any person. I'm using a generalized "you" as an example of a group, whoever qualifies for the examples I'm discussing. It's not the OP, its not anyone else in the thread, "You" is just a generic group.

I think the complaint is not that the archetype is getting time in the spotlight, the complaint is that the name of the archetype is being associated with a deck that is fundamentally NOT that archetype, and instead is just a generic good-stuff pile.

This.

[Enclosure]

Originalmente postado por Daviodraan:

Imagine the archetype getting a huge buff to consistency, only for it to get used as just another generic boss monster summoning engine.
The ladder honestly shares a single brain cell.

As an (actual) Blue-eyes player, I'm disappointed, but it was to be expected.

30 DUELS 28 L's and 2 wins. Great deck btw.

[G3]

Originalmente postado por Enclosure:

Originalmente postado por Daviodraan:

Imagine the archetype getting a huge buff to consistency, only for it to get used as just another generic boss monster summoning engine.
The ladder honestly shares a single brain cell.

As an (actual) Blue-eyes player, I'm disappointed, but it was to be expected.

30 DUELS 28 L's and 2 wins. Great deck btw.

Skill issue. I hate to be that guy. But, I remember you having the same results with full power Tenpai.

The Blue-Eyes deck currently is ok. It will get better when we get the Primite cards.

[Enclosure]

Originalmente postado por G3:

Originalmente postado por Enclosure:

30 DUELS 28 L's and 2 wins. Great deck btw.

Skill issue. I hate to be that guy. But, I remember you having the same results with full power Tenpai.

The Blue-Eyes deck currently is ok. It will get better when we get the Primite cards.

dude i lose to any deck. I deleted all my ur cards and removed the game from my list.
I am done.
I just can't no more. Always ♥♥♥♥ blocked turn 1 with ash's or any type of negate.

This meta is not for me man.
Blue eyes is not ok. Not even close. lmao.

[Daviodraan]

Originalmente postado por Enclosure:

Originalmente postado por G3:

Skill issue. I hate to be that guy. But, I remember you having the same results with full power Tenpai.

The Blue-Eyes deck currently is ok. It will get better when we get the Primite cards.

dude i lose to any deck. I deleted all my ur cards and removed the game from my list.
I am done.
I just can't no more. Always ♥♥♥♥ blocked turn 1 with ash's or any type of negate.

This meta is not for me man.
Blue eyes is not ok. Not even close. lmao.

It's the illusion of choice I think. I hate redundancy but, again, all paths lead to rome.
You have many options, but will generally face the same 2 or 3 variations of an endboard that blocks you as much as virtually possible lmao.
Agreed, it's not very fun.

Edit: you know what has been fun for me? take a hyatus, let your account reach bottom rank, and grind to plat or higher from there. It helps a lot with burnout, and let's you appreciate the game's panorama. You'll also get a lot more variety in duels until high Gold.

[Daviodraan]

Originalmente postado por Enclosure:

Originalmente postado por Daviodraan:

Imagine the archetype getting a huge buff to consistency, only for it to get used as just another generic boss monster summoning engine.
The ladder honestly shares a single brain cell.

As an (actual) Blue-eyes player, I'm disappointed, but it was to be expected.

30 DUELS 28 L's and 2 wins. Great deck btw.

That's an insane W/L ratio honestly.
Mine has been kinda 50-50 at best, 40-60 at worst.
Then again, I just hit plat after a hyatus, so there's that, maybe it will go to 30-70. Won't quit just yet though, I do appreciate the deck's massive buff and am enjoying it, despite me expressing my annoyance about the current situation.

[Blue Flame]

To be able to play a strong blue eyes deck in the current format/meta its something i'd never expected. It feels so fresh and fun and out of place. just enjoy it while it lasts. it could be years before we get something like this again. maybe its not the strongest and maybe its generic. i cant answer that. but for sure its better then what blue eyes had before.

[Masuo15]

I get where you comming from, but even Blue-Eyes had used generic monsters; liek during the XYZ era they used the Hieratic and Tachyon XYZ monsters.

Lets admit it, generic monsters are used in every deck they can fit in; Utopia have its own archetype and the damm monster is splasheable on any lvl4 deck; even one of the strongest xyz mosnters for its time was generic as f*: Evilswarm Excition Knight.