ABC/XYZ support

[aben WHY (VC Off)]

Does the new support make the deck good? I used to play ABC until union carrier got ban, deck just not consisten without it. Now the new level 6 fusion is basicially circular, it should be good right?

[Papa Shekels]

Honestly it looks pretty bad. I only skimmed them, but the new guys almost exclusively summon/attach from gy or banishment, and some of them require the original XYZ cards, so you have to find ways of getting them in rotation that are not easily facilitated by the deck in order to do anything

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Its just for pack fillers probably not even good.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

The new support doesn't even work with the deck, even the Union Controller requires the new cards to work. The retrains don't work with any of the old cards which means you either have to summon traditionally or use Therion to cheat out the Fusions, Union Controller is ok but again you need the new cards to even summon it, the trap is pretty good and the spell is whatever again it only works with the new stuff

The entire issue is if you're playing A-Z you have no reason to touch these new cards, they don't summon out the old Fusions since none are treated as the old cards and they do nothing but fill spaces that technically can't be filled depending on the build which if you're building a A-Z deck then you're playing the Ojama's as a way to get into the A-Z cards

These cards are Kaiba legacy support not Chazz legacy support so they suck ass as a result

[Silyon]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Honestly it looks pretty bad. I only skimmed them, but the new guys almost exclusively summon/attach from gy or banishment, and some of them require the original XYZ cards, so you have to find ways of getting them in rotation that are not easily facilitated by the deck in order to do anything

I'm curious why you say that? What cards require the original XYZ's that are still even vaguely relevant, exactly? The new XYZ monsters and the big fusion are a full replacement unless you're specifically trying to do the big A-to-Z summon which was always win-more extra.

Every ABC and XYZ card fetches every other card out of the deck on summon or as an activated effect shortly after summoning, and even if that effect's negated you can follow up with a Union Activation to get a fusion on the field straight up, or Union Hanger and Union Reactivation to extend anyway. Both ABC and the new XYZ can contact-fuse from the GY, remember. Not to mention the load of material you get back for tagging the fusions back out into the three monsters, plenty of option for Link plays as long as you don't mind a Light-lock.

Is it great? Nah, partly because the core gameplan demands somehow making a grind-game work while going -1 constantly. Make any kind of competitive impact, no chance. But it's got bits that you could cook with, if so inclined.

[aben WHY (VC Off)]

Bruh, yugioh player can't read.

[aben WHY (VC Off)]

Also the new spell card let you search+tribute summon beast king barbaros as a quick effect. Whcih is a one sided board wipe. So I'm going to ignor all input and confirm this deck is busted.

[aben WHY (VC Off)]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Honestly it looks pretty bad. I only skimmed them, but the new guys almost exclusively summon/attach from gy or banishment, and some of them require the original XYZ cards, so you have to find ways of getting them in rotation that are not easily facilitated by the deck in order to do anything

All the new guys require the new "XYZ" main deck monster, ot the old dumb ones. The new X is a one card combo into the level 6 fusion, which is a circular

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by aben WHY (VC Off):

All the new guys require the new "XYZ" main deck monster, ot the old dumb ones. The new X is a one card combo into the level 6 fusion, which is a circular

The hyper cannon tag out requires either ABC or the original XYZ and their respective parts to benefit from, and union activation has limited targets if you're not playing the originals. You need to play the original x-head cannon to be able to search cross cannon, which is your main starter. It's not a huge *requirement* exactly, but they are clearly made to work with them despite it being a handicap to the overall deck performance

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by aben WHY (VC Off):

All the new guys require the new "XYZ" main deck monster, ot the old dumb ones. The new X is a one card combo into the level 6 fusion, which is a circular

The hyper cannon tag out requires either ABC or the original XYZ and their respective parts to benefit from, and union activation has limited targets if you're not playing the originals.

It doesn't actually need ABC or OG XYZ, all you need to do is reveal a Lv 8 LIGHT Fusion Machine for the tag out. It doesn't even need to be any of the ABC/XYZ cards it can literally be any Lv 8 LIGHT Machine Fusion with names for materials

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

It doesn't actually need ABC or OG XYZ, all you need to do is reveal a Lv 8 LIGHT Fusion Machine for the tag out. It doesn't even need to be any of the ABC/XYZ cards it can literally be any Lv 8 LIGHT Machine Fusion with names for materials

Ok sure, you can summon two cyber dragons by revealing cyber twin dragon in a very real deck that is definitely going to be played. Every other legal target in the game needs to first be properly summoned with the ABC or XYZ parts. Now are you done well akshuallying a pedantic point?

[Silyon]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

It doesn't actually need ABC or OG XYZ, all you need to do is reveal a Lv 8 LIGHT Fusion Machine for the tag out. It doesn't even need to be any of the ABC/XYZ cards it can literally be any Lv 8 LIGHT Machine Fusion with names for materials

Ok sure, you can summon two cyber dragons by revealing cyber twin dragon in a very real deck that is definitely going to be played. Every other legal target in the game needs to first be properly summoned with the ABC or XYZ parts. Now are you done well akshuallying a pedantic point?

Not a pedantic point, the new XYZ fusion can reveal another copy of itself to get the materials used for it back on the field. So you contact fuse into it, tag it out for the three materials which will in turn dig more resources out of the deck if you've not used them already, then go into Fiendsmith via Closed Moon/Lyna stealing your opponent's fiendsmith stuff/Dagda for whatever artifact suits you. So far as I can see, the only lock you're dealing with is an attribute lock to Light. No fusion locks, no Machine locks.

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Silyon:

Not a pedantic point, the new XYZ fusion can reveal another copy of itself to get the materials used for it back on the field. So you contact fuse into it, tag it out for the three materials which will in turn dig more resources out of the deck if you've not used them already, then go into Fiendsmith via Closed Moon/Lyna stealing your opponent's fiendsmith stuff/Dagda for whatever artifact suits you. So far as I can see, the only lock you're dealing with is an attribute lock to Light. No fusion locks, no Machine locks.

The new fusion is specifically a 9 to make this not possible. The only legal targets are cyber twin dragon, ABC, the original XYZ, and VWXYZ

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

It doesn't actually need ABC or OG XYZ, all you need to do is reveal a Lv 8 LIGHT Fusion Machine for the tag out. It doesn't even need to be any of the ABC/XYZ cards it can literally be any Lv 8 LIGHT Machine Fusion with names for materials

Ok sure, you can summon two cyber dragons by revealing cyber twin dragon in a very real deck that is definitely going to be played. Every other legal target in the game needs to first be properly summoned with the ABC or XYZ parts. Now are you done well akshuallying a pedantic point?

You forgot the most important monster, Satellite Laser Balsam

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by Silyon:

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Ok sure, you can summon two cyber dragons by revealing cyber twin dragon in a very real deck that is definitely going to be played. Every other legal target in the game needs to first be properly summoned with the ABC or XYZ parts. Now are you done well akshuallying a pedantic point?

Not a pedantic point, the new XYZ fusion can reveal another copy of itself to get the materials used for it back on the field. So you contact fuse into it, tag it out for the three materials which will in turn dig more resources out of the deck if you've not used them already, then go into Fiendsmith via Closed Moon/Lyna stealing your opponent's fiendsmith stuff/Dagda for whatever artifact suits you. So far as I can see, the only lock you're dealing with is an attribute lock to Light. No fusion locks, no Machine locks.

New Fusion is a 9, for whatever reason MDM put an 8 instead

[Yerc2]

It's kind of sad, looking at the Duel Live duels to see if anyone is using the new XYZ cards, but they're all using the Blue Eyes cards instead.

The XYZ cards, new or old, are cool! If only their strength matched their aesthetic.