Dragoon is still overpowered. It's just a chonky brick engine so people don't want to run it.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

And if you cheat it out, you lose the best part about Dragoon which is the double pop n' burn. Everything else makes him good but not good enough to run 2 vanilla bricks...but that double pop?

That wins games. And in a BO1...Jeeez.

[Just Life]

Dragoon isn't overpowered. 3-4K Attack is easy to beat over. He can be removed by non-targeting effects that does not destroy and Kaiju over him.

A lot of "Meta" deck don't run the Dragoon package due to it being a win more card. Up to three bricks (Two vanilla(or 1 if they have a fusion substitute of some kind) and Red-Eyes Fusion), requiring two material to go into Verte and fusing into Dragoon as their last summon.

Rogue decks can make use of Dragoon but most of their endboard are lack luster so every bit helps.

The two top decks, Yubel and Tenpai walks over Dragoon.

[FlintX]

It isn't a brick on Dark Magician or Red Eyes deck, especially considering they are both DARK and LV7 monsters, which happen to have a lot of searchers. But yeah, if yo're using cringe meta decks full of handtrap copies then you probably be bricking hard.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Ive had great success with it so far, it's a capstone. Oh u negated all my stuff? OK Dragoon!

Works great. But comes at a huge cost of 3 bricks and advantage generation.

[Ryoga]

Dragoon is "overpowered" in the same vein B.E.F. Zelos is which is to say its not a problem card at all (I would however not mind it if they ban the green snake thing for the more casual events to limit accessibility to it in lower powered formats).

Originally posted by FlintX:

It isn't a brick on Dark Magician or Red Eyes deck

Both Red-Eyes Black Dragon and DM are bricks in Red-Eyes. Dunno about DM in DM but they don't have to play REBD to summon Dragoon unless they want to use REF in which case REBD would also be a brick for them.

[Soji]

its really good but drawing any of the garnets sucks, especially REF cause that means you can't even use verte anymore. The trade off is worth is especially with Forbidden droplets being so popular lately. Though I've had a lot of tenpai players not understand how it works and that was worth running it alone

[e-dood]

Originally posted by Soji:

its really good but drawing any of the garnets sucks, especially REF cause that means you can't even use verte anymore. The trade off is worth is especially with Forbidden droplets being so popular lately. Though I've had a lot of tenpai players not understand how it works and that was worth running it alone

Tenpai players are really not beating the bot allegations.

[Papa Shekels]

Yeah, and exodia is also a free win that can't be interrupted for the low cost of 2 more bricks than dragoon. Yet people don't play it because having to play useless cards in your deck isn't actually free, it's quite a heavy cost. The games you win off summoning dragoon successfully don't eliminate all the losses from drawing any of the 3 dead bricks required to play it. MD players may not know this, but dragoon naturally fell out of use to DPE as the better generic fusion engine, which fell out of favor altogether when better engines with less bricks came around. It's a cool card for sure, but not stronger than any of the existing options outside of extreme niche circumstances. Baronne is exponentially easier to summon than dragoon and does the same thing, without even needing a discard for the negate

[FlintX]

When are we getting Black-Eyes Red Dragon, White-Eyes Blue Dragon, Silver-Eyes Golden Dragon and Golden-Eyes Silver Dragon archetypes though?

[Malmal]

Originally posted by FlintX:

When are we getting a Black-Eyes Red Dragon archetype though?

when konami actually figured out their gameplay instead of hodgepodge of playstyles ie. burn, zombie pile,gemini

[HeraldOfOpera]

There are lots of cards like this, where they're overpowered on paper but kept in check by the fact that any deck capable of running them is so much worse than the meta that it isn't even enough to create parity.

[Hoshi]

You can bring him out effortlessly as part of a Branded line using Albaz instead of Red-Eyes, no fusion substitute or Red-Eyes Fusion required. The only brick you're running there is DM, who can simply be dumped to GY by BF and fused off using Albion, Lubellion, or Branded in White/Red.

Worse still, Dragoon in Branded can have the benefit of Branded Opening to protect it from being outed by battle.

Shining Sarc can make him pretty effortlessly too, which is particularly frustrating given that deck's propensity towards backrow floodgates.

Unbanning Dragoon was honestly just dumping gasoline on the fire though, so who really cares. This format sucks. Go first, bodied by board breakers, go second, play into six interactions plus a floodgate because it's the only way for anyone to reliably stop Tenpai. The game's never been this toxic before and I'm super done with it at this point.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by FlintX:

When are we getting Black-Eyes Red Dragon, White-Eyes Blue Dragon, Silver-Eyes Golden Dragon and Golden-Eyes Silver Dragon archetypes though?

When Googly-Eyes finally gets more support

Wait hold up it's Japanese name is Garbage-Eyes Fat Dragon so technically it's a Garbage-Eyes monster and not a Googly-Eyes monster. Still give them some support

[Merilirem]

Dragoon at full power is pretty strong. However it has yet to be part of a board strong enough to really make it stronger than things we already accept. Dragoon is not Rhongo. One Dragoon does not just win the game. It has to do stuff to win. Like blow up monsters. Which is avoidable enough for most decks I have seen or run. The negate also eats through cards in hand.

[76561199378662608]

Is it though, I don't see anybody summon it or included in all my opponent's deck that I've met in diamond rank to tier 1 since the last update. The only time I can see Dragoon got summoned is from youtube video lol.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by IsZ:

Is it though, I don't see anybody summon it or included in all my opponent's deck that I've met in diamond rank to tier 1 since the last update. The only time I can see Dragoon got summoned is from youtube video lol.

Honestly I am shocked there aren't more people enjoying these unbans. At least the anime players should be out in force. Perhaps they just weren't around. All in Discord playing 2004-2014 stuff.

I am definitely enjoying DM/Red Eyes deck tinkering and summoning Dragoon.