why don't people just win?

[Dr. Necro]

new player here, is it normal for people to waste so much time when they have complete victory? just playing cards pointlessly and I cant surrender or else I get literally no rewards. I have to literally suicide attack enemy monsters for the game to be over.

[SilverFox2016]

dumbly yes, they are doing that because the game rewards that behavior. Look at the challenges lots of them have things that say "Do X so many times" they are literally using you to farm off you for more rewards. My suggestion? Just hit surrender if you get suspicious you will at least get the satisfaction that they won't be getting anything out of it due to losing their farm. My guess is you are running into the Lock down players who spam hand traps and have about 7 monsters hiding somewhere waiting to negate anything you do if you somehow managed to get past the 10 negates they already have on the field. Join the real players over in MTG arena at least you have a chance to play the game over there.

[Raven]

I was in one of those 1/2 LP duels and watched a guy go so extra it wasn't even a little amusing. He hand ripped me, nuked my board, then proceeded to keep summoning until all his monster zones+ extra monster zone were full when he had a 5000 attack monster on the board from the start. It's time like this we need an emote to just tell people "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ WIN ALREADY"

[Masuo15]

Its a very toxic behavious, but when you detect it, just feel free to report them for slowplay. There is no need/point to drag a game thats already decided; the worst is when you decided to just bear with it so they can finish the duel on that turn, and they just pass without even attacking, when you dont have have LP, backrow, monsters or hand.....so their intention to just extend the duel as long as possible to "grind" comes just as clear, and by my book is reportable since they are holding you hostage.

You can also click surrender when things get out of hand like that; that way you also prevent and punish them for trying to hold you hostage for the farm/grind. More offten than not is not worth dealing with a duel where your opponent is obiously stalling WAY uneccesarly.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Masuo15:

Its a very toxic behavious, but when you detect it, just feel free to report them for slowplay. There is no need/point to drag a game thats already decided; the worst is when you decided to just bear with it so they can finish the duel on that turn, and they just pass without even attacking, when you dont have have LP, backrow, monsters or hand.....so their intention to just extend the duel as long as possible to "grind" comes just as clear, and by my book is reportable since they are holding you hostage.

You can also click surrender when things get out of hand like that; that way you also prevent and punish them for trying to hold you hostage for the farm/grind. More offten than not is not worth dealing with a duel where your opponent is obiously stalling WAY uneccesarly.

Just saying, but that's not what slow play is. Firstly, there is no indication konami does ANYTHING with the reports, there is only some speculation that it might effect match making. On another note, this would supposedly be abusing the report function, but just as no one is sure if reports even do anything in the first place, no one has been 'punished' for misusing the report function.

So honestly it doesn't do anything, but if it did, this isn't slow play. It annoying and obnoxious, but not slow play.

[Soji]

I can't speak for everyone but I do know a lot of people share the same sentiment I do, which is if I clearly have game on board but the opponent isn't surrendering, they might have something that can stop them from losing that turn. It's nothing personal, I just don't want to waste a battle phase just to have a Spirit of Yubel dropped on me and now you have an extra turn to work with. I'll take the bit of time to set up a board that can prevent that from happening. Some people probably just play cards unnecessarily sure, but I wouldn't consider it truly BM unless they just refuse to attack you or prevent you from attacking into their larger monsters to speed up the game.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Soji:

I can't speak for everyone but I do know a lot of people share the same sentiment I do, which is if I clearly have game on board but the opponent isn't surrendering, they might have something that can stop them from losing that turn. It's nothing personal, I just don't want to waste a battle phase just to have a Spirit of Yubel dropped on me and now you have an extra turn to work with. I'll take the bit of time to set up a board that can prevent that from happening. Some people probably just play cards unnecessarily sure, but I wouldn't consider it truly BM unless they just refuse to attack you or prevent you from attacking into their larger monsters to speed up the game.

I'm honestly understanding and used to advocate this, but this is super old thinking and just poor logic to justify being a jerk. I'm not saying there isn't people that truly adhere to that thinking, but modern yugioh is very clear when a blow out happens. dropping a gorz isn't gonna change the whole game around. There have been tales of people who got burned, I having experienced it myself, but the fact is, that logic died back in 2016. Anyone unironically using that logic just bought into the yugiboomer philosophy. It's like one of those things where "Any deck that isn't 40 cards is bad" and its just ingrained to always use a 40 card deck. We know its not true, and this "They might be hiding a come back" is also not true. There is a few exceptions but the reality is, its extremely clear when you won.

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People that always experiencing certain unlikable situation really should ask themselves whether they play or didn't realize that they themselves play like that too if they keep meeting the same type of player lmao.

[Soji]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by Soji:

I can't speak for everyone but I do know a lot of people share the same sentiment I do, which is if I clearly have game on board but the opponent isn't surrendering, they might have something that can stop them from losing that turn. It's nothing personal, I just don't want to waste a battle phase just to have a Spirit of Yubel dropped on me and now you have an extra turn to work with. I'll take the bit of time to set up a board that can prevent that from happening. Some people probably just play cards unnecessarily sure, but I wouldn't consider it truly BM unless they just refuse to attack you or prevent you from attacking into their larger monsters to speed up the game.

I'm honestly understanding and used to advocate this, but this is super old thinking and just poor logic to justify being a jerk. I'm not saying there isn't people that truly adhere to that thinking, but modern yugioh is very clear when a blow out happens. dropping a gorz isn't gonna change the whole game around. There have been tales of people who got burned, I having experienced it myself, but the fact is, that logic died back in 2016. Anyone unironically using that logic just bought into the yugiboomer philosophy. It's like one of those things where "Any deck that isn't 40 cards is bad" and its just ingrained to always use a 40 card deck. We know its not true, and this "They might be hiding a come back" is also not true. There is a few exceptions but the reality is, its extremely clear when you won.

i guess, if you want to look at it that way sure, but I really do not care if you think it's me being a jerk. The only time I forgo that process is if there's no hidden info like cards in hand or back row set. I can read cards in play and the GY/Banished but I can't know for sure what the hidden cards are until you reveal them. There's no ill will or intent in my actions, if they are interpreted that way because I'm not just entering battle phase immediately well it is what it is.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Soji:

i guess, if you want to look at it that way sure, but I really do not care if you think it's me being a jerk. The only time I forgo that process is if there's no hidden info like cards in hand or back row set. I can read cards in play and the GY/Banished but I can't know for sure what the hidden cards are until you reveal them.

I wasn't calling you a jerk, the behavior is jerky, because...you know what, give me like 10 minutes.

Edit: you're telling me he had NO IDEA he could win and had to go literally a minute extra doing stuff because I could 'make a comeback'? Lets say I *DID* stop him that turn because I'm a masochist. There is no way to recover from that board and do something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYbypPN7_6s

[Yerc2]

Sometimes I'll take an extra 10 seconds to summon Trishula for the extra points in the event. Even if it causes me to lose the duel, and I miss out on 450 more points that I otherwise would've gotten from winning. I do not make good decisions.

If someone is doing what you described, they're intentionally slowing down the game and wasting your time; at that point, I'd just surrender and report them for Slow Play.
Outside of the current event, the rewards you get for staying around generally aren't worth it.
Like even if your opponent isn't refusing to attack you, and they're actually playing normally, it can still be a better use of your own time to just surrender and hop to the next match.

[Soji]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by Soji:

i guess, if you want to look at it that way sure, but I really do not care if you think it's me being a jerk. The only time I forgo that process is if there's no hidden info like cards in hand or back row set. I can read cards in play and the GY/Banished but I can't know for sure what the hidden cards are until you reveal them.

I wasn't calling you a jerk, the behavior is jerky, because...you know what, give me like 10 minutes.

Edit: you're telling me he had NO IDEA he could win and had to go literally a minute extra doing stuff because I could 'make a comeback'? Lets say I *DID* stop him that turn because I'm a masochist. There is no way to recover from that board and do something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYbypPN7_6s

Argostars is a new deck that I haven't seen played or even read myself yet, chances are your opponent might haven't either. They probably didn't have any idea what that deck was capable of. This game gets criticized for having one card combos pretty regularly so to me it makes sense a new, unfamiliar deck, might actually be able to do something with just their top deck. I have no idea, this is what I mean when I say unless all cards are revealed I can't know for sure. I don't think your opponent was being jerky either seeing as it was only 5 actions after clearing out your backrow. Was it unnecessary? yea in hindsight sure, but again it's a new deck. I wouldn't expect everyone to know what it does and is capable of. It's just context dependent on if I'd think it's truly BM.

[Yerc2]

Originally posted by Soji:

Argostars is a new deck that I haven't seen played or even read myself yet, chances are your opponent might haven't either. They probably didn't have any idea what that deck was capable of. This game gets criticized for having one card combos pretty regularly so to me it makes sense a new, unfamiliar deck, might actually be able to do something with just their top deck. I have no idea, this is what I mean when I say unless all cards are revealed I can't know for sure. I don't think your opponent was being jerky either seeing as it was only 5 actions after clearing out your backrow. Was it unnecessary? yea in hindsight sure, but again it's a new deck. I wouldn't expect everyone to know what it does and is capable of. It's just context dependent on if I'd think it's truly BM.

I'm not gonna give his opponent the benefit of the doubt in this scenario.
His opponent ignored less important cards to target crucial cards with control effects, and kept comboing even on an empty board. at which time Raven would've had an empty hand if his opponent didn't make him draw a card, so it's not like he could've saved a card to activate from his hand.
I think at that time, the opponent also had the omninegate Generaider monster too? They look too similar for me to tell.

I have never seen someone play Generaider so effectively before, that dude is obviously the King of Games.
While the replay didn't make it seem like it dragged the game on much longer than it needed to be, I don't think there was reason for the dude to continue to play another drawing card and fill his board with monsters in that scenario. he wouldn't have even gained any extra rewards for that.

[Soji]

Originally posted by Yerc2:

Originally posted by Soji:

Argostars is a new deck that I haven't seen played or even read myself yet, chances are your opponent might haven't either. They probably didn't have any idea what that deck was capable of. This game gets criticized for having one card combos pretty regularly so to me it makes sense a new, unfamiliar deck, might actually be able to do something with just their top deck. I have no idea, this is what I mean when I say unless all cards are revealed I can't know for sure. I don't think your opponent was being jerky either seeing as it was only 5 actions after clearing out your backrow. Was it unnecessary? yea in hindsight sure, but again it's a new deck. I wouldn't expect everyone to know what it does and is capable of. It's just context dependent on if I'd think it's truly BM.

I'm not gonna give his opponent the benefit of the doubt in this scenario.
His opponent ignored less important cards to target crucial cards with control effects, and kept comboing even on an empty board. at which time Raven would've had an empty hand if his opponent didn't make him draw a card, so it's not like he could've saved a card to activate from his hand.

I have never seen someone play Generaider so effectively before, that dude is obviously the King of Games.
While the replay didn't make it seem like it dragged the game on much longer than it needed to be, I don't think there was reason for the dude to continue to play another drawing card and fill his board with monsters in that scenario. he wouldn't have even gained any extra rewards for that.

then that's yours and anyone who feels this way's prerogative to not give people the botd. I can't change your or Raven's or anyone elses mind probably nor do I truly care to, I offered why I myself do not just enter battlephase the second I reach lethal damage on board and was told that is a yugiboomer mentality that is an excuse to be a jerk. I'm gonna reply to something like that. I can definitely be abrasive sure, but I never BM anyone in game just to lord some kind of power of them and don't really like having people imply I do.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Soji:

Originally posted by Raven:

I wasn't calling you a jerk, the behavior is jerky, because...you know what, give me like 10 minutes.

Edit: you're telling me he had NO IDEA he could win and had to go literally a minute extra doing stuff because I could 'make a comeback'? Lets say I *DID* stop him that turn because I'm a masochist. There is no way to recover from that board and do something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYbypPN7_6s

Argostars is a new deck that I haven't seen played or even read myself yet, chances are your opponent might haven't either. They probably didn't have any idea what that deck was capable of. This game gets criticized for having one card combos pretty regularly so to me it makes sense a new, unfamiliar deck, might actually be able to do something with just their top deck. I have no idea, this is what I mean when I say unless all cards are revealed I can't know for sure. I don't think your opponent was being jerky either seeing as it was only 5 actions after clearing out your backrow. Was it unnecessary? yea in hindsight sure, but again it's a new deck. I wouldn't expect everyone to know what it does and is capable of. It's just context dependent on if I'd think it's truly BM.

See, that makes sense until you realize I have to have a card to combo and he has an omni negate. Also keep in mind replays just blitz through the plays. He took a long time to do those summons. Those 5 took a little over a minute, which I know doesn't sound like a lot, but it is when you're looking at lethal and a dead bored and they just keep going.


EDIT:

Originally posted by Yerc2:

I'm not gonna give his opponent the benefit of the doubt in this scenario.
His opponent ignored less important cards to target crucial cards with control effects, and kept comboing even on an empty board. at which time Raven would've had an empty hand if his opponent didn't make him draw a card, so it's not like he could've saved a card to activate from his hand.
I think at that time, the opponent also had the omninegate Generaider monster too? They look too similar for me to tell.

I have never seen someone play Generaider so effectively before, that dude is obviously the King of Games.
While the replay didn't make it seem like it dragged the game on much longer than it needed to be, I don't think there was reason for the dude to continue to play another drawing card and fill his board with monsters in that scenario. he wouldn't have even gained any extra rewards for that.

^All of this. He had me dead in the water, had an omni negate and those plays took longer than the replay suggests.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Soji:

Originally posted by Yerc2:

I'm not gonna give his opponent the benefit of the doubt in this scenario.
His opponent ignored less important cards to target crucial cards with control effects, and kept comboing even on an empty board. at which time Raven would've had an empty hand if his opponent didn't make him draw a card, so it's not like he could've saved a card to activate from his hand.

I have never seen someone play Generaider so effectively before, that dude is obviously the King of Games.
While the replay didn't make it seem like it dragged the game on much longer than it needed to be, I don't think there was reason for the dude to continue to play another drawing card and fill his board with monsters in that scenario. he wouldn't have even gained any extra rewards for that.

then that's yours and anyone who feels this way's prerogative to not give people the botd. I can't change your or Raven's or anyone elses mind probably nor do I truly care to, I offered why I myself do not just enter battlephase the second I reach lethal damage on board and was told that is a yugiboomer mentality that is an excuse to be a jerk. I'm gonna reply to something like that. I can definitely be abrasive sure, but I never BM anyone in game just to lord some kind of power of them and don't really like having people imply I do.

You're taking my comment way too personally. This is a discussion, not me singling you out. that logic IS old mentality. One I used to apply myself. But when you *REALLY* look at modern yugioh it doesn't hold up. You're on this thing I'm insulting you specifically. I even commented "some people believe in this philosophy still" and you're clearly one of those people. But that doesn't change that logic and reasoning hasn't been true for years. A blow out is very clear.

I'm more inclined to believe he just autopiloted it and wasn't even caring what I had, but that doesn't mean its not any less rude to be that unaware of the gamestate.