Let's Talk: "Fun" Decks

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

So, we've been seeing constant complaints about how "people don't play fun decks" or "people don't create original decks", etc etc ever since day one, but, there's a really big question mark hanging above the word "fun", what is a "fun" deck?

What if your idea of "fun deck" is totally the opposite of mine?

For example, I love Virtual Worlds and I'm legit sitting here money in hand waiting for Konami to release an official Nyannyan plushie, I like the deck's versatility, that I have a lot of different routes to a specific endboard, it's a really fun deck. I also love Sky Strikers, I like that grindy control playstyle they have along their gimmick of mainly controlling Raye.

But then we look at the forum, and gosh some of you guys are worse than a hipster who's soy latte and healing crystal were stolen on a day where the horoscope said it's gonna be a good day.

Are Dragonmaids a fun deck because on a good day they're meh or are they "unfun meta deck" because they special summon a lot?

Are Weather Painters a fun deck because their best is worse than even some table 500 decks, or are they "unfun meta deck" because they play a heavy control style with floodgates and such?

Are Solfachords a fun deck because they be just cute waifus with no endboards or are they "unfun meta deck" because it's a pendulum archetype?

Are Evil Twins a fun deck because they be just cute waifus with chibi vtuber personas or are they "unfun meta deck" because link spam? (Really Konami, give me cute chocolate waifu already)

In the end, there's no really "one definition to rule them all" for what makes a fun deck. One might say "a fun deck is a deck that allows the opponent to play", but then just changes the question to "what does "opponent gets to play" even mean? I played against a Thunder Dragon deck yesterday, he got to summon both Colossus and Titan in the same turn, only thing is that Essemblue Robin bounced them back one after the other (it's a Pure Bird deck, not a Tri-Bird deck), does that count as "playing"? He did get to summon his boss monsters afterall.

Anywya, I'd like to hear your opinions down below.

[Paulo Ramos]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Originally posted by Casey:

Playing against same 4 decks like 15 games and waiting 10 minutes per turn in a row isn't fun.
Not to mention being forced to play certain meta if you wanna win isn't fun either.
it's simple as that.
If you find it fun, good on you.
Good majority of people don't find it fun.

Currently pretty much any single deck can reach plat 1 if you build it right, so unless you're going at big tournaments, you're not forced to play any meta deck to win.

Getting to plat 1 means nothing specilly because many players does not have all the good cards yet. I got to plat with a deck with only one hand trap wich a used maybe 3 times. No call by the grave or any meta card just to face tryhard with a ash and max c on first turn.

[Shark]

I guess i mainly dont like decks that take super long to setup in a single turn and ones that are faster but build a overly dominant board like multiple negates and pops or generally too strong board presence turn one. Im generally more of a casual player so all that stuff saying yugioh was always like that doesnt mean anything to me because i rarely had to deal with that. Main problem i dont like about competitive yugioh is that you see pretty much one card from their deck and already know exactly how its gonna play out. The game has over 10k cards so i generally like to see variety in decks instead of everyone playing the copy paste of like 5 decks at a time. Which is generally why i prefer playing this game in bronze-silver. You see all kinds of different and weird decks there where i had genuine wtf moments of not knowing what just happened. The sad part is that even in the events that doesnt seem to change much. At first it was fun but later everyone and their mother was just spamming stuff like Zoodiac and Numerons.
In other words a fun deck to me would be
1. Not having a full board or general extreme board presence turn 1.
2. A deck that can surprise me and isnt so common that you meet them every other match.
3. Doesnt take so long to set up that i could watch half a anime episode while waiting for them to do their turn.
I dont even mind slower players who maybe need to get used to the deck they built or people who think about their moves alot.

[76561199246249799]

Originally posted by El Donko (TTV=Cringe):

Originally posted by black_crow25xl:

I've had people surrender because I took my time Xyz spamming, but then I check their deck and they're playing things like Tri-Brigade, Phantom Knights, Exodia, etc.
"Wah! Wah! I don't want to wait for my opponent to finish his long-ass combo, I want to do my long-ass combo asap!" this is what these complaints feel like to me lol.

Probably faster to surrender, requeue get a cf win and do their own combo and hope the enemy scoops halfway through their combo instead of sticking around waiting for who knows how long probably has a better chance of winning doing that aswell

So like shiny hunting in Pokemon, reset the game until you get good rng with your starting hand and what kinda opponent you get, other wise it's faster to surrender. And then they complain about the lack of interaction in the game.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by black_crow25xl:

So like shiny hunting in Pokemon, reset the game until you get good rng with your starting hand and what kinda opponent you get, other wise it's faster to surrender. And then they complain about the lack of interaction in the game.

I mean that's what happens when you have years of unchecked power creep barely held in line by a handful of outs and things being so astronomically weighted towards omni-negation/immunity boards set up on the first turn.

[Filipino Enjoyer]

Originally posted by black_crow25xl:

Originally posted by El Donko (TTV=Cringe):

Probably faster to surrender, requeue get a cf win and do their own combo and hope the enemy scoops halfway through their combo instead of sticking around waiting for who knows how long probably has a better chance of winning doing that aswell

So like shiny hunting in Pokemon, reset the game until you get good rng with your starting hand and what kinda opponent you get, other wise it's faster to surrender. And then they complain about the lack of interaction in the game.

i mean if they win cf and go first and make their end board with 12 negates no matter what hand traps i have im just gonna gg go next cus i know im no breaking through that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and it's gonna take 15 minutes of time just to lose when i already knew im gonna lose

[Zelwy]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

There's actually a lot of grey areas between the meta slaves who only care about winning and their fun comes solely from winning and the players who don't care about the outcome and just want to play their respective decks.

For the highest tournament level players, sure, they can be considered meta slaves up to a point because that's kinda their job, they gotta win, and that's a big reason why a lot of competitive players love the current meta and say it's one of the most varied ever, because they can play decks they actually enjoy and still be able to win.

I can be considered a "meta player" in Master Duel because I play Virtual World, to an extent Bird Up and some people consider Sky Striker as meta, but, I'd still play these decks even if they weren't meta, because the decks are what I enjoy, I'm someone who prefers to specialize in a certain deck instead of playing a variety of decks. If a game regularly forces me to keep swapping characters, on in the case of card games, decks, I'm out.

There are probably grey areas, but are we going to name every one of them?

I am sure there are players who use meta decks because they enjoy them and not because those are meta (not the same, but I think all the decks I enjoy used to be meta at some point), but the separation is made because a fun deck only reason to play it is to have fun, is not very strong, probably have a relatively weak win condition or is overly long/complicated/fragile to acomplish it, again, the reason people consider casual decks as ''fun decks'' because the only greater purpose to be acomplish by them is to have fun by playing it because you like it or for whatever reason and not as much as winning.

in the end if we go for fun deck as having fun with a deck then every deck is fun deck because fun is subjective.

[mimizukari]

i love crooked cook final countdown and apparently my virtual world enemies don't enjoy my style of "fun" and stall out the whole timer for the 20 turns while final countdown is rolling and i always have to report them for slow play. i take my turn in 8 seconds, make crooked cook pass, they must be sitting there clicking at least a couple times a minute so they don't auto surrender before they pass lmao, all my turns afterwards last 1 sec max as i go end phase but they take 3 mins.

I think ppl don't like playing vs fun decks and would prefer to do meta vs meta /shrug.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Originally posted by Etna:

i love crooked cook final countdown and apparently my virtual world enemies don't enjoy my style of "fun" and stall out the whole timer for the 20 turns while final countdown is rolling and i always have to report them for slow play. i take my turn in 8 seconds, make crooked cook pass, they must be sitting there clicking at least a couple times a minute so they don't auto surrender before they pass lmao, all my turns afterwards last 1 sec max as i go end phase but they take 3 mins.

I think ppl don't like playing vs fun decks and would prefer to do meta vs meta /shrug.

Your deck isn't fun at all, it's just toxic and is just abusing a bad banlist for a best of 1 format. Frankly you deserve to be timer stalled for that garbage.

I always find it funny how people laugh about meta when in reality their decks are just as un-fun and un-interactive and only making the format more toxic. Crooked cook and degenerate burn are prime examples of this garbage.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

As for the main post for the topic a fun duck I prefer is Madolche that I have been building for a while to play as well as dragon maids, sky strikers, and I plan to make marincess as well.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by 𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼:

Originally posted by Etna:

i love crooked cook final countdown and apparently my virtual world enemies don't enjoy my style of "fun" and stall out the whole timer for the 20 turns while final countdown is rolling and i always have to report them for slow play. i take my turn in 8 seconds, make crooked cook pass, they must be sitting there clicking at least a couple times a minute so they don't auto surrender before they pass lmao, all my turns afterwards last 1 sec max as i go end phase but they take 3 mins.

I think ppl don't like playing vs fun decks and would prefer to do meta vs meta /shrug.

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my deck's incredibly fun for me to play, my favorite boss monsters are those that are unaffected by all card effects and can't be destroyed in battle, i'd love to play more cards alongside it like rivalry of warlords/gozen match/vanity's/etc if it was possible but alas, crooked cook must be alone, in the future if there's a boss monster that meets those criteria i'd run that as well, didn't need to be crooked cook but cook is only one who is like that.

[Silamon]

For me a "fun" deck is one that lets both players play. They can have some interaction sure, maybe even a negate or two, but decks that say "oh you can't use monster effects. Oh and you can't special summon anything but wind. Oh also you can't use spell cards, oh and I have 3 negates for you to get through, good luck" are the worst kind of deck in the game.

As an example, evil twins, dragonmaid, and evil eye are some of my favorite decks. Offmeta version of Spyral is up there too.

[Perquisitore]

Dunno, I only know I have fun with darklord, phantom knights and a silly burn deck.

[Cope ZEXAL]

Fun decks = decks i play and also decks that i can stomp
Unfun decks = anything better than mine

[Silamon]

Originally posted by SeasonOne Gaming:

Originally posted by MZD:

Fun decks = decks i play and also decks that i can stomp
Unfun decks = anything better than mine

Maybe next event rarity limit N R can be more fun..

The steam group I am in has already done several N/R tournaments and I can say with some certainty it won't be much better. There is still going to be a very real meta.

Generaiders were really tearing up our tournaments.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by SeasonOne Gaming:

Maybe next event rarity limit N R can be more fun..

The steam group I am in has already done several N/R tournaments and I can say with some certainty it won't be much better. There is still going to be a very real meta.

Generaiders were really tearing up our tournaments.

yes. generaider is tier 1, already been testing it in RANKED and it works fantastic as a n/r build for plat. ready to completely destroy this tournament xD