Emperor Charles the Great

[FlintX]

Why isn't him considered a Noble Knight monster?
Seems dumb.

[Silyon]

He is, so long as he successfully equips his Synchro form to himself and doesn't get it removed. One of his effects is a name-replacement, so he counts as an Infernoble Knight. All Infernoble Knights count as Noble Knight monsters because the name of one literally includes the name of the other.

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Probably because he's now an emperor and not a knight

[FlintX]

Originally posted by Silyon:

He is, so long as he successfully equips his Synchro form to himself and doesn't get it removed. One of his effects is a name-replacement, so he counts as an Infernoble Knight. All Infernoble Knights count as Noble Knight monsters because the name of one literally includes the name of the other.

Only when equipped with himself is dumb, so he actually isn't. If you special summon Noble Knight Castannin with his effect you can't Link summon Emperor Charles later because Custannin locks special summons from the extra deck to "Noble Knights" monsters only. And Emperor Charles isn't a Noble Knight while in the extra deck. Obviously because he doesn't include Infer/Noble Knight in his name.

So yeah, he doesn't synergizes with his own archtypes. We need errata for his name to become Infernoble Emperor Charles, the Great blonde chad that kicks ass.

[Silyon]

Originally posted by FlintX:

Only when equipped with himself is dumb, so he actually isn't. If you special summon Noble Knight Castannin with his effect you can't Link summon Emperor Charles later because Custannin locks special summons from the extra deck to "Noble Knights" monsters only. And Emperor Charles isn't a Noble Knight while in the extra deck. Obviously because he doesn't include Infer/Noble Knight in his name.

So yeah, he doesn't synergizes with his own archtypes. We need errata for his name to become Infernoble Emperor Charles, the Great blonde chad that kicks ass.

I'm wondering why you'd be using Custennin in Infernobles to begin with, let alone trying to go into Charles with him. His only notable feature is to special summon himself, which would absolutely be helpful if not for the lock but Turpin does the same thing without locking you. If you're trying to go into Charles, you lose the effect that Custennin would have added because it's a different monster made with different materials. And Charles himself only cares about Fire Warriors for his effect anyway, which none of the Arthurian Noble Knights are.

Noble Knights and Infernoble Knights were always only tangentially related, mostly stapled together by the older Noble Arms cards that demand "Noble Knight" monsters. The Lights and Fires aren't really meant to be played together, and even thematically they're from completely different centuries and based on totally different historical/literary figures.

[FlintX]

Originally posted by Silyon:

I'm wondering why you'd be using Custennin in Infernobles to begin with, let alone trying to go into Charles with him. His only notable feature is to special summon himself, which would absolutely be helpful if not for the lock but Turpin does the same thing without locking you. If you're trying to go into Charles, you lose the effect that Custennin would have added because it's a different monster made with different materials. And Charles himself only cares about Fire Warriors for his effect anyway, which none of the Arthurian Noble Knights are.

Noble Knights and Infernoble Knights were always only tangentially related, mostly stapled together by the older Noble Arms cards that demand "Noble Knight" monsters. The Lights and Fires aren't really meant to be played together, and even thematically they're from completely different centuries and based on totally different historical/literary figures.

Custennin is an extender is this deck. I'm not trying to use him to get to Charles because by the time I summon him Synchro Charles is already on the field. I'm using him to get others Noble Syncho/XYZ Monsters out. His notable feature is 1 extra normal summon.
This isn't your average Noble Knights deck, this is an original fusion deck build around Idaten and Shura and the level 5 Noble monsters. That also uses the Suit Knights cards and Light extra deck monsters to reach for different outs when necessary. But yeah, if by some reason you need to summon him first to get around some situation or bait something he will lock you out of Link Charles or any other extra deck monsters that isn't Noble.

And Noble Knights and Infernoble Knights works well enough with each other. I have like 4 hybrids decks using both so far. The original Noble can be useful to bring along since some them can destroy things on field and other stuff by themselves instead of reccuring to extra deck.

[Silyon]

Originally posted by FlintX:

Custennin is an extender is this deck. I'm not trying to use him to get to Charles because by the time I summon him Synchro Charles is already on the field. I'm using him to get others Noble Syncho/XYZ Monsters out. His notable feature is 1 extra normal summon.
This isn't your average Noble Knights deck, this is an original fusion deck build around Idaten and Shura and the level 5 Noble monsters. That also uses the Suit Knights cards and Light extra deck monsters to reach for different outs when necessary. But yeah, if by some reason you need to summon him first to get around some situation or bait something he will lock you out of Link Charles or any other extra deck monsters that isn't Noble.

And Noble Knights and Infernoble Knights works well enough with each other. I have like 4 hybrids decks using both so far. The original Noble can be useful to bring along since some them can destroy things on field and other stuff by themselves instead of reccuring to extra deck.

Explains a lot and sounds interesting. Still sounds like you run into issues with Charles with so few Fire monsters for him to equip though, among those other problems like the lock. Such a deck sounds tailor-made to support Silent Swordsman though, might be worth considering.