Im beginning to think..

[LDvergil]

White forest azamina/diabellstar is better than fiendsmith snake eyes. Swear it feels like that.

[DontMisunderstand]

In my experience playing against them... yeah. White Forest Azamina has both more options and more powerful endboards. Fiendsmith is just an engine that has nothing of value on its own, so it's just being used to facilitate those Snake Eye endboards, which Snake Eye is already good at making. Both the White Forest and Azamina halves of that deck do things on their own, and synergize with each other. None of these are bad, to be clear. White Forest Azamina is an actual deck, Fiendsmith Snake Eye is more a good stuff pile that hopes the opponent didn't bring a real deck.

[LDvergil]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

In my experience playing against them... yeah. White Forest Azamina has both more options and more powerful endboards. Fiendsmith is just an engine that has nothing of value on its own, so it's just being used to facilitate those Snake Eye endboards, which Snake Eye is already good at making. Both the White Forest and Azamina halves of that deck do things on their own, and synergize with each other. None of these are bad, to be clear. White Forest Azamina is an actual deck, Fiendsmith Snake Eye is more a good stuff pile that hopes the opponent didn't bring a real deck.

I'm glad we can agree on that.

[Raven]

The thing is everyone rushed into using the fiendsmith engine because of the OCG/TCG and how oppressive it can be. The PROBLEM with that, is people rushed head first into that while the engine itself isn't complete. It's strong, but not at full power, and a lot of people trying to shoe horn it into every deck without considering it doesn't benefit their deck very much.

Yes, it can help get to a few endboards, but its not where they *SHOULD* be if it was the proper FS engine. So some decks can utilize it pretty well, a lot more don't really get enough benefit from it.

White Forest has an insane amount of gas, especially with Azamina. I spent the better part of two months learning ins and outs of my deck combos and its crazy how much variance there is depending on where you get disrupted. Fiendsmith in its current form doesn't have the same. It's a pivot, not really something that leads into a proper end board.

[Hoshi]

Kind of nuts how rarely people run St. Azamina. She's not difficult to get out, she comes with a free Azamina fusion of your choice, and she absolutely murders Fiendsmith Snake-Eyes just by hitting the board.

Abstract floodgates are such a vibe.

But yeah, this:

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

White Forest Azamina is an actual deck, Fiendsmith Snake Eye is more a good stuff pile that hopes the opponent didn't bring a real deck.

It feels like Branded again, which is great.

[LDvergil]

Originally posted by Raven:

The thing is everyone rushed into using the fiendsmith engine because of the OCG/TCG and how oppressive it can be. The PROBLEM with that, is people rushed head first into that while the engine itself isn't complete. It's strong, but not at full power, and a lot of people trying to shoe horn it into every deck without considering it doesn't benefit their deck very much.

Yes, it can help get to a few endboards, but its not where they *SHOULD* be if it was the proper FS engine. So some decks can utilize it pretty well, a lot more don't really get enough benefit from it.

White Forest has an insane amount of gas, especially with Azamina. I spent the better part of two months learning ins and outs of my deck combos and its crazy how much variance there is depending on where you get disrupted. Fiendsmith in its current form doesn't have the same. It's a pivot, not really something that leads into a proper end board.

I low key want forest azamina now.