The blue eye decks...

[LDvergil/DNDM]

They're actually more tough to beat than I thought...

They have really good advantage going first.

[Silyon]

The new support did wonders, yes. Even if Crimson Dragon gets banned, Blue-Eyes is still in an extremely good spot to compete and already has another buff on the horizon with Primalite.

I'm not afraid of shooting myself in the foot, so the best place to disrupt us is by tossing an Imperm or other turn-long monster negate on Spirit with Eyes of Blue (The Link monster). Doing so causes a cascade effect where we can't get Mausoleum of White, which means we don't get an extra Tuner Summon or the ability to trigger Maiden and get more free summons, and also prevents us from digging a Vanilla out of the deck to revive Maiden with. Worst case, that one disruption can keep us from getting the Crimson Dragon play altogether.

You also want to get rid of True Light ASAP, ideally before we can protect it with one of the Spirit Dragons or a Jet Dragon. It's difficult to stop us from getting immediate access to it, so it's better to let us trigger it and hit it with a Ghost Ogre or something similar. At that point we lose a lot of our staying power since it's only run as a 1-of and our only way to get it back is through fusing and swinging with Tyrant Dragon.

[LDvergil/DNDM]

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The new support did wonders, yes. Even if Crimson Dragon gets banned, Blue-Eyes is still in an extremely good spot to compete and already has another buff on the horizon with Primalite.

I'm not afraid of shooting myself in the foot, so the best place to disrupt us is by tossing an Imperm or other turn-long monster negate on Spirit with Eyes of Blue (The Link monster). Doing so causes a cascade effect where we can't get Mausoleum of White, which means we don't get an extra Tuner Summon or the ability to trigger Maiden and get more free summons, and also prevents us from digging a Vanilla out of the deck to revive Maiden with. Worst case, that one disruption can keep us from getting the Crimson Dragon play altogether.

You also want to get rid of True Light ASAP, ideally before we can protect it with one of the Spirit Dragons or a Jet Dragon. It's difficult to stop us from getting immediate access to it, so it's better to let us trigger it and hit it with a Ghost Ogre or something similar. At that point we lose a lot of our staying power since it's only run as a 1-of and our only way to get it back is through fusing and swinging with Tyrant Dragon.

Thanks for the advice, I could use as much as I can at the moment trying to Dlvl max, crazy out here.

[Gauche]

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I'm not afraid of shooting myself in the foot, so the best place to disrupt

Another one is that the new Maiden is still a "when" so one can just chain something when she gets targeted so she doesn't get to activate

[Raven]

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I'm not afraid of shooting myself in the foot, so the best place to disrupt

Another one is that the new Maiden is still a "when" so one can just chain something when she gets targeted so she doesn't get to activate

That's not how that works. what you would do is activate something first, THEN use something that targets her, then she'll miss timing

[LDvergil/DNDM]

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I'm not afraid of shooting myself in the foot, so the best place to disrupt

Another one is that the new Maiden is still a "when" so one can just chain something when she gets targeted so she doesn't get to activate

Nice, thanks.

[LDvergil/DNDM]

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Another one is that the new Maiden is still a "when" so one can just chain something when she gets targeted so she doesn't get to activate

That's not how that works. what you would do is activate something first, THEN use something that targets her, then she'll miss timing

I see, thanks.

[LDvergil/DNDM]

Still trying to figure out the best tech cards for this meta.

[e-dood]

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Still trying to figure out the best tech cards for this meta.

Super Poly or Dark Ruler No More are pretty good choices.

[Gauche]

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İlk olarak Gauche tarafından gönderildi:

Another one is that the new Maiden is still a "when" so one can just chain something when she gets targeted so she doesn't get to activate

That's not how that works. what you would do is activate something first, THEN use something that targets her, then she'll miss timing

It is though

In your scenario, having been targeted as the last action, she just chains in response - https://images2.imgbox.com/c9/2a/w6hg2EM2_o.png - lol, don't target her

While in the scenario I provided she never gets the opportunity to chain in response to being targeted

[Raven]

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That's not how that works. what you would do is activate something first, THEN use something that targets her, then she'll miss timing

It is though

In your scenario, having been targeted as the last action, she just chains in response - https://images2.imgbox.com/c9/2a/w6hg2EM2_o.png - lol, don't target her

While in the scenario I provided she never gets the opportunity to chain in response to being targeted

Its my bad, but I was trying to talk about chain blocking, which I only half did in my example. because I like to type stupidly and I forgot she's a quick effect; So ultimately what has to happen to chain block her is your opponent does something to target her, and you chain a response to that.

Regardless, I was wrong because of how I tried to describe it through usual missed timing, you kinda didn't explain it either because your opponent has to be the one to target her in order to respond so she misses timing (if you tried to do it, she would just chain and function normally).

edit: this is why I hate dealing with missed timing questions, I know the reasoning and how it works, but I always screw up explaining it

[LDvergil/DNDM]

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It is though

In your scenario, having been targeted as the last action, she just chains in response - https://images2.imgbox.com/c9/2a/w6hg2EM2_o.png - lol, don't target her

While in the scenario I provided she never gets the opportunity to chain in response to being targeted

Its my bad, but I was trying to talk about chain blocking, which I only half did in my example. because I like to type stupidly and I forgot she's a quick effect; So ultimately what has to happen to chain block her is your opponent does something to target her, and you chain a response to that.

Regardless, I was wrong because of how I tried to describe it through usual missed timing, you kinda didn't explain it either because your opponent has to be the one to target her in order to respond so she misses timing (if you tried to do it, she would just chain and function normally).

edit: this is why I hate dealing with missed timing questions, I know the reasoning and how it works, but I always screw up explaining it

try explaining it to a new player when you're not so sure of how things work yourself. Worse feeling and another layer on top of why people can't even get others to play the game.

[LDvergil/DNDM]

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İlk olarak LDvergil tarafından gönderildi:

Still trying to figure out the best tech cards for this meta.

Super Poly or Dark Ruler No More are pretty good choices.

what about both?

[Silyon]

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try explaining it to a new player when you're not so sure of how things work yourself. Worse feeling and another layer on top of why people can't even get others to play the game.

In the shortest and sweetest form, Both Maiden of White and Maiden with Eyes of Blue (the latter of which is irrelelvant to modern blue-eyes decks) have an effect while on the field that lets them summon a thing WHEN they are targeted by any effect or targeted for an attack. WHEN means that the targeting effect or attack must be the last thing to have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ put on the chain, otherwise you can't use her effect to profit off of the resolution.

What both of them are suggesting is a more advanced tactic called chain-blocking. In their situation, you could theoretically force a targeting effect like an Effect Veiler onto Maiden by responding to your own activation of Effect Veiler with any other card or effect that doesn't involve the Maiden. This prevents her effect from activating because she "Missed the Timing" to activate her effect in response to the Veiler, and won't summon anything when the chain resolves.

This is a somewhat irrelevant tactic against modern Blue-Eyes because we're usually going to use Mausoleum to trigger her effect ourselves, and activation priority allows us to immediately respond with her effect to profit before the opponent has a chance to try and do something about it.

[LDvergil/DNDM]

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İlk olarak LDvergil tarafından gönderildi:

try explaining it to a new player when you're not so sure of how things work yourself. Worse feeling and another layer on top of why people can't even get others to play the game.

In the shortest and sweetest form, Both Maiden of White and Maiden with Eyes of Blue (the latter of which is irrelelvant to modern blue-eyes decks) have an effect while on the field that lets them summon a thing WHEN they are targeted by any effect or targeted for an attack. WHEN means that the targeting effect or attack must be the last thing to have ♥♥♥♥♥♥ put on the chain, otherwise you can't use her effect to profit off of the resolution.

What both of them are suggesting is a more advanced tactic called chain-blocking. In their situation, you could theoretically force a targeting effect like an Effect Veiler onto Maiden by responding to your own activation of Effect Veiler with any other card or effect that doesn't involve the Maiden. This prevents her effect from activating because she "Missed the Timing" to activate her effect in response to the Veiler, and won't summon anything when the chain resolves.

This is a somewhat irrelevant tactic against modern Blue-Eyes because we're usually going to use Mausoleum to trigger her effect ourselves, and activation priority allows us to immediately respond with her effect to profit before the opponent has a chance to try and do something about it.

Oh I know about chain blocking, I do it all the time with Shaddols.

[Gauche]

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You also want to get rid of True Light ASAP, ideally before we can protect it with one of the Spirit Dragons or a Jet Dragon. It's difficult to stop us from getting immediate access to it, so it's better to let us trigger it and hit it with a Ghost Ogre or something similar. At that point we lose a lot of our staying power since it's only run as a 1-of and our only way to get it back is through fusing and swinging with Tyrant Dragon.

You can discard the new Maiden to place it face-up in a S/T zone from GY:
"You can send this card from your hand or field to the GY; place 1 "True Light" from your hand, Deck, or GY face-up in your Spell & Trap Zone."

İlk olarak Silyon tarafından gönderildi:

This is a somewhat irrelevant tactic against modern Blue-Eyes because we're usually going to use Mausoleum to trigger her effect ourselves, and activation priority allows us to immediately respond with her effect to profit before the opponent has a chance to try and do something about it.

Opponent would have priority to chain in response to Mausoleum activating