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Chaos 混沌 カオス 2024 年 11 月 6 日 下午 2:22
So with the new Blue-Eyes support giving it like, tier 3 rogue status.
Has the game pivoted back to be more enjoyable now?
最后由 Chaos 混沌 カオス 编辑于; 2024 年 11 月 6 日 下午 2:24
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G3 2024 年 11 月 7 日 下午 6:10 
引用自 Zephyr
And how does that disprove what I said?

The point was you have unrealistic expectations from Konami and the game. I already told you that Konami isn't going to support old decks unless it makes them money. Konami doesn't make money if everyone keeps using the old stuff and none of the new stuff. This isn't a game where you get balance patches for your favorite character every couple of months. Konami sells you new characters and sunsets the old ones.


Obviously not, but on that same note you can't expect people not hold the people that don't abide by the gentlemen's agreement in contempt when they do bust out the cheap tactics to win.

That's assuming they accepted and broke said agreement in the first place. There's is no way to make a deal like that in an online game without being able to communicate to the other player before hand. Again, you both have access to the same tools to win.


I'm not, nice projection.

Keep doubling down on Genex being good pre-link 1. No projection here.


No I don't, not once did I imply I'm incapable of being wrong.

We can infer this the same way you believe in your imaginary rule against previous product.

It's an observable fact based on Konami's actions.
:steamthis: as stated here.

None of that's Master Duel, further reinforcing my point.

Because you want to argue semantics. Here.
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/tournaments - The Master Duel results you want.

It doesn't in Master Duel, which this forum is for.

Everyone here uses it as a general board for the current game. Yourself included. Or, did you mean to confine your ideas that "fix" the game in your eyes to Master Duel only.

No, because the balance issues in the game aren't because the lack of a mana system.

Having a resource system in YGO wasn't being said. It's that the Mana games (MtG,HS,DTCG) are more about balancing their games than YGO is. More so Hearthstone since it's digital only and can live errata a card if its a problem.

Have fun with your dungeons. Btw you're doing the thing you said you don't like doing. Arguing.
最后由 G3 编辑于; 2024 年 11 月 7 日 下午 6:14
HeraldOfOpera 2024 年 11 月 7 日 下午 8:24 
引用自 G3
Keep doubling down on Genex being good pre-link 1. No projection here.
To be fair, Undine send Rosenix could do absolutely cracked things back when Halq was legal. Like, having an extra material on top of the Halq and its summon opens so many lines.
Bad Distraction Carnifex 2024 年 11 月 7 日 下午 9:57 
引用自 HeraldOfOpera
引用自 G3
Keep doubling down on Genex being good pre-link 1. No projection here.
To be fair, Undine send Rosenix could do absolutely cracked things back when Halq was legal. Like, having an extra material on top of the Halq and its summon opens so many lines.

Halq made every deck op, lol. It was silly.
itzRiceKrispies (已封禁) 2024 年 11 月 7 日 下午 10:00 
引用自 HeraldOfOpera
To be fair, Undine send Rosenix could do absolutely cracked things back when Halq was legal. Like, having an extra material on top of the Halq and its summon opens so many lines.

Halq made every deck op, lol. It was silly.
IKR. Also the word "Could*" is the keyword from that post.
Zephyr 2024 年 11 月 7 日 下午 11:29 
引用自 G3
引用自 Zephyr
And how does that disprove what I said?
The point was you have unrealistic expectations from Konami and the game. I already told you that Konami isn't going to support old decks unless it makes them money. Konami doesn't make money if everyone keeps using the old stuff and none of the new stuff. This isn't a game where you get balance patches for your favorite character every couple of months. Konami sells you new characters and sunsets the old ones.
Then why release support for older decks in the first place? Either stop giving old decks support entirely or properly support older decks.
Obviously not, but on that same note you can't expect people not hold the people that don't abide by the gentlemen's agreement in contempt when they do bust out the cheap tactics to win.
That's assuming they accepted and broke said agreement in the first place. There's is no way to make a deal like that in an online game without being able to communicate to the other player before hand. Again, you both have access to the same tools to win.
Do you know what a gentlemen's agreement is?
I'm not, nice projection.
Keep doubling down on Genex being good pre-link 1. No projection here.
It is, literal skill issue.
No I don't, not once did I imply I'm incapable of being wrong.
We can infer this the same way you believe in your imaginary rule against previous product.
You can, doesn't make it true nor does it have any relevance as to what I've said nor me "incapable of being wrong" like you clearly seem to think I am.
It's an observable fact based on Konami's actions.
:steamthis: as stated here.
It is, it's like saying "the sky is blue". You yourself even admitted they don't care about older archetypes because they don't make money. So which is it? Do they care about older archetypes or do they not because money?
None of that's Master Duel, further reinforcing my point.
Because you want to argue semantics. Here.
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/tournaments - The Master Duel results you want.
It's not semantics to expect Master Duel results in a forum about Master Duel. Thanks for the link I'll check it out, in the meantime do tournaments make up a significant portion of the game or is it the minority compared to ranked like in most other games? Because if it's, say, 3% of Master Duel games then my point about hardly anyone playing Spyral still stands.
It doesn't in Master Duel, which this forum is for.
Everyone here uses it as a general board for the current game. Yourself included. Or, did you mean to confine your ideas that "fix" the game in your eyes to Master Duel only.
No, clearly when I'm talking about fixing the game I'm talking about Duelists of the Roses and not the game the forum is made for.

Yes, obviously when I talk balance I'm talking about Master Duel, that's why almost all of my discussion in regards to the TCG and the OCG are either in relation to Master Duel, with a very small part of it being "oh well that's good/bad" based on whatever I happen to end up hearing about. I've repeatedly said that Master Duel should be more like the TCG because based on the banlist it sounds better, but you might be dismayed to hear I may be mistaken.
No, because the balance issues in the game aren't because the lack of a mana system.
Having a resource system in YGO wasn't being said. It's that the Mana games (MtG,HS,DTCG) are more about balancing their games than YGO is. More so Hearthstone since it's digital only and can live errata a card if its a problem.
Cool, and?
Btw you're doing the thing you said you don't like doing. Arguing.
I'd rather not, but you decided to instigate one with this... retort? Let's go with retort.
最后由 Zephyr 编辑于; 2024 年 11 月 7 日 下午 11:39
e-dood 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 1:33 
Yup, you really hate arguing.
Zephyr 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 2:31 
引用自 e-dood
Yup, you really hate arguing.
I do, if you wanna snark at anyone do so at G3 for being the cause of the argument.
itzRiceKrispies (已封禁) 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 2:53 
引用自 Zephyr
引用自 e-dood
Yup, you really hate arguing.
I do, if you wanna snark at anyone do so at G3 for being the cause of the argument.
Yes G3 is the one who resurrected a 2 week old post and goes from post to post starting arguments with people & saying outlandish & ridiculous things like "Genex is meta" or something similar to that. If u considered it good I liken that to meta or at-least strong rogue, which Genex has never been. Recycled combos or otherwise. Hell its debateable with the Link 1. If he gets stuffed Genex doesn't really have a good plan B, much less any additional combos.

U know Zephyr like E-dood said a couple of weeks back. If u weren't so confrontational u would likely get along with about half the people here. Its just that u say some of the most ludicrous stuff sometimes. Things that really can't be defended but u double, triple & quadruple down on them for whatever reason. U make it way too ez for people to literally point and do the Simpsons laugh. U gotta stop playing yourself man.
最后由 itzRiceKrispies 编辑于; 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 2:54
Zephyr 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 3:25 
引用自 itzRiceKrispies
引用自 Zephyr
I do, if you wanna snark at anyone do so at G3 for being the cause of the argument.
Yes G3 is the one who resurrected a 2 week old post
Again, was finishing what I started.
and goes from post to post starting arguments with people
I don't, you realize that argument was over me mentioning that Konami doesn't care about older archetypes.
& saying outlandish & ridiculous things like "Genex is meta" or something similar to that.
I never said it was meta, I said it was playable which is not only not outlandish but true.
If u considered it good I liken that to meta or at-least strong rogue, which Genex has never been. Recycled combos or otherwise.
Then that's your fault for assuming I thought it was meta or rogue.
Hell its debateable with the Link 1. If he gets stuffed Genex doesn't really have a good plan B, much less any additional combos.
Which is perfectly fine as it is, just look at Synchron/Junk/Stardust's reliance on Junk Speeder. Both can be shut down easily but have a big payoff, it's high risk high reward.
U know Zephyr like E-dood said a couple of weeks back. If u weren't so confrontational u would likely get along with about half the people here. Its just that u say some of the most ludicrous stuff sometimes.
You want to say this when you just got done insulting and berating me constantly during our argument? All the while ignoring that many of the people here including you that claim I'm confrontational while you people have done nothing but mock, insult, lie, slander, and patronize me?
Things that really can't be defended but u double, triple & quadruple down on them for whatever reason. U make it way too ez for people to literally point and do the Simpsons laugh. U gotta stop playing yourself man.
Thanks for proving my previous point, that right there is why I'm incredulous when you bring this up as I was when E-dood did and find it unlikely that'd ever happen.
最后由 Zephyr 编辑于; 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 3:41
itzRiceKrispies (已封禁) 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 3:46 
@Zephyr. Everybody here has seen exactly what I said about u & the the things u have libel'd me & about me. That for myself anyways, is all that matters.

The only points that u continually prove is how wrong u are about half the things u say. Playable is strong Rogue, or Tier 4. That's literally what people mean by Rogue. Its strong enough to technically compete against Meta decks while not technically being a Meta choice.

Which Genex has NEVER BEEN. Its debatable as to whether it is now. Blue-Eyes has better overall support and it isn't making much headway either. Genex literally has ZERO results in tourney's so no. Its not playable, even now.

https://ygoprodeck.com/category/format/tournament%20meta%20decks?offset=0&name=genex

U can triple & quadruple down all u want. Doesn't change the results of another ridiculous thing u have said.
Zephyr 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 4:04 
引用自 itzRiceKrispies
@Zephyr. Everybody here has seen exactly what I said about u & the the things u have libel'd me & about me. That for myself anyways, is all that matters.
What I've said about you has been observations and assumptions based on my own personal interactions with you, as unfortunate as they are. You've literally put words in my mouth, twisted what I've said for your own retorts, and insulted me constantly, which is a surefire way to lose any respect you feel as though you may be owed.
The only points that u continually prove is how wrong u are about half the things u say. Playable is strong Rogue, or Tier 4. That's literally what people mean by Rogue. Its strong enough to technically compete against Meta decks while not technically being a Meta choice.
Then it's no wonder you an others have been getting so bent over me saying Genex is playable, because when I said playable I was referring to it being able to beat rogue or maybe even tier 3 provided the Genex player is good and lucky enough with their draws rather than your definition. No, Genex could never beat meta not now and certainly not back then.
Which Genex has NEVER BEEN. Its debatable as to whether it is now. Blue-Eyes has better overall support and it isn't making much headway either. Genex literally has ZERO results in tourney's so no. Its not playable, even now.
https://ygoprodeck.com/category/format/tournament%20meta%20decks?offset=0&name=genex
I'd point out that doesn't cover Master Duel, but frankly I'm just glad I figured out what part you were having trouble understanding.
U can triple & quadruple down all u want. Doesn't change the results of another ridiculous thing u have said.
Good thing I don't care what you or others in this forum think is "ridiculous" then, so if it's all the same to you I'm gonna grind some gems to pick up that Live Twin bundle.
最后由 Zephyr 编辑于; 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 4:04
Silyon 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 9:36 
引用自 Zephyr
引用自 e-dood
Yup, you really hate arguing.
I do, if you wanna snark at anyone do so at G3 for being the cause of the argument.

An argument takes 2. It doesn't matter who started it or who's right, you're actively and presently helping continue it. This decision on your part to continue arguing flies in the face of your claim that you hate arguing, and implies that at the very least you hate being wrong more than you hate arguing. Considering your history and how regular of a thing this is with anyone and everyone that voices any level of disagreement with you, it seems far more like you're simply spoiling for fights and love arguing despite your insistence to the contrary.

Actions speak louder than words. Your actions do not align with your words. Fix this.
最后由 Silyon 编辑于; 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 9:38
Zephyr 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 10:02 
引用自 Silyon
引用自 Zephyr
I do, if you wanna snark at anyone do so at G3 for being the cause of the argument.

An argument takes 2. It doesn't matter who started it or who's right, you're actively and presently helping continue it. This decision on your part to continue arguing flies in the face of your claim that you hate arguing, and implies that at the very least you hate being wrong more than you hate arguing.
I hate when people prattle at me, especially in an attempt to sound smart and go "ackshually Genex can't meta so it's literally not playable!" ignoring that it can go up against rogue decks with a modicum of success meaning it is playable.
Considering your history and how regular of a thing this is with anyone and everyone that voices any level of disagreement with you, it seems far more like you're simply spoiling for fights and love arguing despite your insistence to the contrary.
By that logic people dealing with pest problems just like killing and expelling pests for no reason.

No, just because when someone posts drivel in response to my posts I respond back doesn't mean I like having to waste time dealing with whatever cookie cutter Yugioh player decided to instigate an argument.
Actions speak louder than words. Your actions do not align with your words. Fix this.
My actions are in response to people being a nuisance, it's not my job to fix your or another's belligerent behavior.
Silyon 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 10:15 
引用自 Zephyr
I hate when people prattle at me, especially in an attempt to sound smart and go "ackshually Genex can't meta so it's literally not playable!" ignoring that it can go up against rogue decks with a modicum of success meaning it is playable.

...

By that logic people dealing with pest problems just like killing and expelling pests for no reason.

No, just because when someone posts drivel in response to my posts I respond back doesn't mean I like having to waste time dealing with whatever cookie cutter Yugioh player decided to instigate an argument.

...

My actions are in response to people being a nuisance, it's not my job to fix your or another's belligerent behavior.

You said it yourself, it's not your job to "fix" other people's behavior. And yet you try to, engaging with the "drivel" of the day instead of ignoring it and letting it roll off your back. Not every little thing warrants a response, and in trying to respond to every little thing you only "lower" yourself to "their" level.

The sheer arrogance in your vocabulary choice alone is frankly incredible, from the blatant comparison of other people to insects to the assertion that you're smarter than anyone else here. Reminds me of why exactly I blocked you, thanks for that.
HeraldOfOpera 2024 年 11 月 8 日 上午 10:18 
We cannot be a nuisance to you if you can't see us. You keep coming back to this awful place despite knowing that it will lead to arguments.
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