So with the new Blue-Eyes support giving it like, tier 3 rogue status.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Has the game pivoted back to be more enjoyable now?

[itzRiceKrispies]

As always fun is a bit subjective. If u like Blue-Eyes then I guess the answer is yes.

Also tier 3 isn't "Rogue". Rogue is a blanket term for anything below tier 3. So basically tier 4. Just fyi.

[Silyon]

The Blue-Eyes support hasn't hit Master Duel yet, and I've not heard of any waves being made in the OCG. So offhandedly, I'd say it doesn't matter at all.

Reminder that current decks in Master Duel alone include Tenpai that will OTK you if you don't stop them, Yubel that's difficult to interact with profitably even without Fiendsmith in yet, and Fire King that can shrug off multiple board-breaks a turn and is barely slowed down by handtraps. It doesn't matter how buffed rogue decks get when the meta picks are that overbearing.

Think of the new support as keeping Blue-Eyes just relevant enough to continue to be playable. It won't actually be good again unless we have another perfect storm like Pendulum Format, even if it's now able to end on 3 negates off of one card.

[Zephyr]

No, it's gotten worse.

Originally posted by Silyon:

The Blue-Eyes support hasn't hit Master Duel yet, and I've not heard of any waves being made in the OCG. So offhandedly, I'd say it doesn't matter at all.

Reminder that current decks in Master Duel alone include Tenpai that will OTK you if you don't stop them, Yubel that's difficult to interact with profitably even without Fiendsmith in yet, and Fire King that can shrug off multiple board-breaks a turn and is barely slowed down by handtraps. It doesn't matter how buffed rogue decks get when the meta picks are that overbearing.

Think of the new support as keeping Blue-Eyes just relevant enough to continue to be playable. It won't actually be good again unless we have another perfect storm like Pendulum Format, even if it's now able to end on 3 negates off of one card.

Well said, it sucks the rogue and older decks will never get enough support to make them remotely viable but based on my experience in the forums it seems other people have zero issue with it.

[G3]

Originally posted by Zephyr:

Well said, it sucks the rogue and older decks will never get enough support to make them remotely viable but based on my experience in the forums it seems other people have zero issue with it.

So...

Spyral Double Helix - Formerly a TCG packfiller Archetype. 2 time tier 0 threat.
Structure Deck: Fire Kings - Formerly a gimmicky engine used by Kozmos in 2015
Sky Striker Mobilize -Linkage- - Deck from 2017. Recently got 2nd place at YCS Niagara.
Spirit with Eyes of Blue - "Brick-Eyes" savior. It will be world champion again.
Phantom Nightmare core set - Yubel jank from 08' is now a tier 1 deck in 2024.
Spright Engine - Pulled up Frogs and other Lvl 2s so much to get them banned.
Bystials and assorted Light/Dark support - Were playing Chaos again in 2022. Link flavored.
Drytron - Heralds finally have a home in the meta.
Tri-Brigade - Not just Zoos benefited from them.
Almost every HERO card printed after 2017 - Even rogue tier can steal games.
BoL: Terminal Revenge - Ice Barrier, Infernoid, Genex, Ritual Beast support
The Infinite Forbidden - New Exodia and Madolche cards.
Adamancipator - Good enough to get the Block banned. Rocks were nothing before that.
Branded - Secret DM support. Good synergy. Fallen of Albaz is an Effect Dragon Monster.

I could keep going. But, I already know your definition of "Viable" means "I can beat meta with it.". And, you'll just hand wave them because either you don't like the decks for arbitrary reasons or they're not "Viable" enough for you.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

New support just makes Blue-Eyes a bit better, it's not going to be amazing but it's starting to get into Dark Magician territory, where it's good and functional but exists outside the meta due to a lack of wombo combo off of 1 card with no setup.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by G3:

Originally posted by Zephyr:

Well said, it sucks the rogue and older decks will never get enough support to make them remotely viable but based on my experience in the forums it seems other people have zero issue with it.

So...

Spyral Double Helix - Formerly a TCG packfiller Archetype. 2 time tier 0 threat.
Structure Deck: Fire Kings - Formerly a gimmicky engine used by Kozmos in 2015
Sky Striker Mobilize -Linkage- - Deck from 2017. Recently got 2nd place at YCS Niagara.
Spirit with Eyes of Blue - "Brick-Eyes" savior. It will be world champion again.
Phantom Nightmare core set - Yubel jank from 08' is now a tier 1 deck in 2024.
Spright Engine - Pulled up Frogs and other Lvl 2s so much to get them banned.
Bystials and assorted Light/Dark support - Were playing Chaos again in 2022. Link flavored.
Drytron - Heralds finally have a home in the meta.
Tri-Brigade - Not just Zoos benefited from them.
Almost every HERO card printed after 2017 - Even rogue tier can steal games.
BoL: Terminal Revenge - Ice Barrier, Infernoid, Genex, Ritual Beast support
The Infinite Forbidden - New Exodia and Madolche cards.
Adamancipator - Good enough to get the Block banned. Rocks were nothing before that.
Branded - Secret DM support. Good synergy. Fallen of Albaz is an Effect Dragon Monster.

Spyral, Tri Brigade, BoL, and Exodia are rarely played and the rest are the exception, not the rule. I know you're desperate to disprove the fact Konami doesn't care about old archetypes but you'd have better luck fighting a hurricane or an earthquake.

I could keep going. But, I already know your definition of "Viable" means "I can beat meta with it.".

You can erroneously think that if you wish, I'm not gonna waste more time arguing with you than I have to because it's pointless. You'll cherrypick, strawman, rely on technicalities, or just outright lie every single time because you're just a troll.

And, you'll just hand wave them because either you don't like the decks for arbitrary reasons or they're not "Viable" enough for you.

Pointing out that they're the exception isn't "wandwaving" nor is it arbitrary, but thanks for further proving my point that you're incapable of actual discussion not worth bothering with.

[IsthisKosher]

Even as they move to buff your deck, they implant decks that invalidate most anything

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by IsthisKosher:

Even as they move to buff your deck, they implant decks that invalidate most anything

Yeah, they really need to cut back on newer decks. I don't even think pure Tenpai is balanced on paper lol.

[G3]

I know you're desperate to prove the fact Konami doesn't care about old archetypes but, you'd have better luck fighting a hurricane or an earthquake. You'll rely on this scrub mentality of "honor rules" you expect others to beholden to or just outright lie( You saying Genex was good prior to the link-1) every single time because you can never be wrong.

You cannot accept evidence to this because it's antithetical to your view of the game. I know you didn't read it and ignored it by listing a Tier 0 deck as "rarely played". You had no argument against the others by brushing them under the rug as "exceptions". I know your not capable of discussions outside the box you live in.

Welcome back.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by G3:

I know you're desperate to prove the fact Konami doesn't care about old archetypes but, you'd have better luck fighting a hurricane or an earthquake.

They don't, and it's self evident with the amount of older decks that are in pretty bad shape.

You'll rely on this scrub mentality of "honor rules" you expect others to beholden to

If "don't use cheap tactics" is "scrub mentality" to you that says more about you than me.

or just outright lie( You saying Genex was good prior to the link-1)

It was, that's a true statement.

every single time because you can never be wrong.

I can be wrong since I'm only human, I never said otherwise.

You cannot accept evidence to this because it's antithetical to your view of the game.

I don't accept "evidence" that is false or merely a technicality, no. Evidence regarding something that can be proven however I'd be interested to learn from.

I know you didn't read it and ignored it by listing a Tier 0 deck as "rarely played".

I did read it, and it is rarely played. Be honest, when was the last time you've seen someone play Spyral? I can count the amount of people I've seen play Spyral on one hand.

You had no argument against the others by brushing them under the rug as "exceptions".

Because they are, it's not "brushing them under the rug" to correctly point out that they're the exception and they don't disprove what I said..

I know your not capable of discussions outside the box you live in.

I am and would be more than happy to have actual discussions with some of the people on here that don't repeat the same cookie cutter arguments, but nice trying to pivot some my own rebukes I made against you to me even if they didn't really work in the slightest.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Originally posted by Silyon:

The Blue-Eyes support hasn't hit Master Duel yet, and I've not heard of any waves being made in the OCG. So offhandedly, I'd say it doesn't matter at all.

Reminder that current decks in Master Duel alone include Tenpai that will OTK you if you don't stop them, Yubel that's difficult to interact with profitably even without Fiendsmith in yet, and Fire King that can shrug off multiple board-breaks a turn and is barely slowed down by handtraps. It doesn't matter how buffed rogue decks get when the meta picks are that overbearing.

Think of the new support as keeping Blue-Eyes just relevant enough to continue to be playable. It won't actually be good again unless we have another perfect storm like Pendulum Format, even if it's now able to end on 3 negates off of one card.

Yeah, I usually play on Edopro with TCG banlist. But good things in real-life caught up to me and Yugioh was one of the first things I cut.

As the curse is, you never truly quit Yugioh permanently, so who knows when I'll be back.

[G3]

Oh boy how've missed these...

They don't, and it's self evident with the amount of older decks that are in pretty bad shape.

I'm going to take a guess and hope you're aware that some decks were intentionally designed to be pack filler. All the loot box gacha systems explain how this works.Booster packs are inherently predatory. It's not gambling in the legal sense but, neither is Pachinko. Konami's big bankroller. If you're complaining about how old meta can't keep up with the new cards. That's also intentional. Powercreep is how Konami sells the game. Decks strong enough to stick around get restricted because they interfere with future product sales. It's better business to print Monarchs 2 (True Draco) than print more of an older deck. If marketing sees that older strategies are fan favorites (will make more money) they will get new cards.

If "don't use cheap tactics" is "scrub mentality" to you that says more about you than me.

This is the very essence of said mentality. You'd likely complain about being thrown over and over again instead of learn the counter. It's far easier to discredit another's win than get good and beat them. Both of you have the same tools available. Use them.

It was, that's a true statement.

It's very much not the case. Unless you're talking playground games amongst 3rd graders.

I can be wrong since I'm only human, I never said otherwise.

Implyed from passed posts either moving goalposts or false statements in the example above.

I don't accept "evidence" that is false or merely a technicality, no. Evidence regarding something that can be proven however I'd be interested to learn from.

I know you didn't read it and ignored it by listing a Tier 0 deck as "rarely played".

I did read it, and it is rarely played. Be honest, when was the last time you've seen someone play Spyral? I can count the amount of people I've seen play Spyral on one hand.

Konami keeps records of decks used as well as online metrics showing representation of decks present. These examples are for the time they were printed. I've already seen you dismiss Konami blog posts (namely the Mystic Mine representation ones) I don't know what level of proof you actually want.

Because they are, it's not "brushing them under the rug" to correctly point out that they're the exception and they don't disprove what I said..

What exception? Are you a Dark Law Denier? Did you gaslight yourself into believing that Yubel is a new card?

I am and would be more than happy to have actual discussions with some of the people on here that don't repeat the same cookie cutter arguments, but nice trying to pivot some my own rebukes I made against you to me even if they didn't really work in the slightest.

Your own statements are cookie cutter. It's why I chose to parrot them.

[Paroe]

Originally posted by G3:

This is the very essence of said mentality. You'd likely complain about being thrown over and over again instead of learn the counter. It's far easier to discredit another's win than get good and beat them. Both of you have the same tools available. Use them.

I have a friend who plays HERO. The most meta they ever got was when i handed them an invoked hero list from master duels launch week, while i was playing pure fur hire, super quants, invoked plunder patroll, and ursarctics.

They still refuse to play unless im "not using a cheating deck" because they cant get over fur hire (its got consistent special swarming and link toolboxing), they cant get over magnus mangus king of the computer, they hate that i can ruin their graveyard with plunder...
... And they think that ursarctics are broken because dark synchro is a thing.

[e-dood]

Originally posted by Paroe:

Originally posted by G3:

This is the very essence of said mentality. You'd likely complain about being thrown over and over again instead of learn the counter. It's far easier to discredit another's win than get good and beat them. Both of you have the same tools available. Use them.

I have a friend who plays HERO. The most meta they ever got was when i handed them an invoked hero list from master duels launch week, while i was playing pure fur hire, super quants, invoked plunder patroll, and ursarctics.

They still refuse to play unless im "not using a cheating deck" because they cant get over fur hire (its got consistent special swarming and link toolboxing), they cant get over magnus mangus king of the computer, they hate that i can ruin their graveyard with plunder...
... And they think that ursarctics are broken because dark synchro is a thing.

There is a certain existential fear that I feel when someone call Ursartics "broken".

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by Paroe:

Originally posted by G3:

This is the very essence of said mentality. You'd likely complain about being thrown over and over again instead of learn the counter. It's far easier to discredit another's win than get good and beat them. Both of you have the same tools available. Use them.

I have a friend who plays HERO. The most meta they ever got was when i handed them an invoked hero list from master duels launch week, while i was playing pure fur hire, super quants, invoked plunder patroll, and ursarctics.

They still refuse to play unless im "not using a cheating deck" because they cant get over fur hire (its got consistent special swarming and link toolboxing), they cant get over magnus mangus king of the computer, they hate that i can ruin their graveyard with plunder...
... And they think that ursarctics are broken because dark synchro is a thing.

Your friend doesn't play HERO then, also Invoked HERO is a terrible idea to play