Voiceless has left me speechless

[Zabelfrie]

It is day 1 of the voiceless voice meta and I have got to say, this deck blows chunks to duel against. Turn 1 board has 3 negations, a 4K beater, removal protection, all while being consistent enough to slide a few Called By The Graves in. Bonkers. My only hope is that if I lay low long enough I can wait for them to hit diamond ranks and I can get demoted to gold ranks so I can play the game.

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

What Voiceless Voice meta

[Zabelfrie]

Origineel geplaatst door Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

What Voiceless Voice meta

I mean a meta hasn't formed around it but this deck is bonkers. Like I hope it doesn't get popular but it's too good not to be

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Origineel geplaatst door Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

What Voiceless Voice meta

I mean a meta hasn't formed around it but this deck is bonkers. Like I hope it doesn't get popular but it's too good not to be

The deck will be lucky if it's T2 at best, like yeah it can do good things but it ain't a meta shifter in the slightest especially once Tenpai drops and slaps it out

[Zabelfrie]

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I mean a meta hasn't formed around it but this deck is bonkers. Like I hope it doesn't get popular but it's too good not to be

The deck will be lucky if it's T2 at best, like yeah it can do good things but it ain't a meta shifter in the slightest especially once Tenpai drops and slaps it out

I mean look if a board with 3 negations, protected from card effects with a 4K beater onboard with room for hand traps and called-bys isn't considered a top tier deck nowadays then I'm demoting to bronze.

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The deck will be lucky if it's T2 at best, like yeah it can do good things but it ain't a meta shifter in the slightest especially once Tenpai drops and slaps it out

I mean look if a board with 3 negations, protected from card effects with a 4K beater onboard with room for hand traps and called-bys isn't considered a top tier deck nowadays then I'm demoting to bronze.

This deck IRL was only the 2nd best deck when it was just it and Snake-Eyes Fire King, then better decks dropped it down a peg mixed in with Fiendsmith engine releasing and now it's just no longer a contender

[Zabelfrie]

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Origineel geplaatst door Zabelfrie:

I mean look if a board with 3 negations, protected from card effects with a 4K beater onboard with room for hand traps and called-bys isn't considered a top tier deck nowadays then I'm demoting to bronze.

This deck IRL was only the 2nd best deck when it was just it and Snake-Eyes Fire King, then better decks dropped it down a peg mixed in with Fiendsmith engine releasing and now it's just no longer a contender

Honestly I prefer the fire king matchup because at least I can play the game against them even if they float with everything. This matchup blows chunks.

[Silyon]

To me, It's ABCs and Thunder Dragons all over again. Older cards get a powerful engine built around them, but that engine lacks the flexibility to remain competitive in the long term. It's dependence on having Lo on the field to enable effects is a big weakness, and the barrier does nothing to protect her from non-targeting removal. Or am I missing something there?

I'm ok with them being strong at the moment, because I don't expect them to last outside of casual and rogue matches. Just like with Thunder Dragons and ABCs, they might top a few formats and then fade into relative obscurity. Nothing wrong with that.

[wattsons feet]

The amount of urs it has is also bonkers

[Soji]

Origineel geplaatst door Silyon:

To me, It's ABCs and Thunder Dragons all over again. Older cards get a powerful engine built around them, but that engine lacks the flexibility to remain competitive in the long term. It's dependence on having Lo on the field to enable effects is a big weakness, and the barrier does nothing to protect her from non-targeting removal. Or am I missing something there?

I'm ok with them being strong at the moment, because I don't expect them to last outside of casual and rogue matches. Just like with Thunder Dragons and ABCs, they might top a few formats and then fade into relative obscurity. Nothing wrong with that.

D.D. Crow or Ghost Belle are pretty easy stops from Io bringing herself back too. It's definitely one of those strategies I say is good for simple games. Game needs more simple strategies that are good, but also not very oppressive. VV fits a good spot imo.

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I haven't seen a good build of it that I want to play, but I had 7000 spare gems and I got 3 copies of Saffira, Barrier, and Lo from my pulls, so I'm waiting to see what's out there before building it.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Origineel geplaatst door Silyon:

To me, It's ABCs and Thunder Dragons all over again. Older cards get a powerful engine built around them, but that engine lacks the flexibility to remain competitive in the long term. It's dependence on having Lo on the field to enable effects is a big weakness, and the barrier does nothing to protect her from non-targeting removal. Or am I missing something there?

I'm ok with them being strong at the moment, because I don't expect them to last outside of casual and rogue matches. Just like with Thunder Dragons and ABCs, they might top a few formats and then fade into relative obscurity. Nothing wrong with that.

Thundra was a cornerstone of the Eternal Format, so I'm pretty sure you're underestimating it. It also actually ran the OG and had it be useful without ever explicitly naming it, which means it's better at being nostalgia than ABC or Voiceless Voice too.

[Zabelfrie]

Origineel geplaatst door Hoshi:

Where are they getting 3 negates from, exactly?

Your post sounds like hyperbole, as the deck only has one in-archetype negate, and it's HOPT.

Replay, please.

To my knowledge they had Skull Guardian up, Sauravis in hand and a fairy ritual monster with a negation effect. They also had Called By in backrow, barrier up and Lo on the field.

[Silyon]

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Thundra was a cornerstone of the Eternal Format, so I'm pretty sure you're underestimating it. It also actually ran the OG and had it be useful without ever explicitly naming it, which means it's better at being nostalgia than ABC or Voiceless Voice too.

I might be underestimating them, sure. I've not seen anyone use more than Colossus (for the floodgate in Stun decks) in more than two years. IMO, to justify calling your deck a "Thunder Dragon" deck at least 1/3rd of the cards in it must be Thunder Dragon cards. Which isn't something I've seen for a very long time. That tells me that, while it's certianly still a good deck, people don't think of it as "meta-viable" anymore. The popularity's worn off, players have moved on to other fads.

[Zabelfrie]

Origineel geplaatst door Hoshi:

Origineel geplaatst door Zabelfrie:

To my knowledge they had Skull Guardian up, Sauravis in hand and a fairy ritual monster with a negation effect. They also had Called By in backrow, barrier up and Lo on the field.

Sauravis is protection, not a negate, and it's completely irrelevant while Barrier is on the field since you can't target LIGHT monsters while that's up to begin with. Called By isn't in-engine, and whatever Fairy ritual they fielded (probably Herald of Perfection), it's neither part of the archetype nor searched by it.

In any case, that's two negates, not three.

Moreover, it sounds like you got clowned on by some meme build that drew well and you either misplayed your hand traps or didn't open any (in which case you would've lost to any deck, not just VV).

VV isn't meta and it's not going to be meta. I'll be surprised if it hits Tier 3 before Tenpai lands. Yubel is firmly planted in Tier 1 right now and it's the deck's worst matchup. Ironically, VV will do better once Tenpais land since they have a searchable out to them in the form of Odd-Eyes Pendulumgraph Dragon.

EDIT: I'm not trying to invalidate your feelings or call you out. I'm just saying that you're exaggerating and overreacting. Read the cards. The deck doesn't create particularly oppressive boards, it's just very good at playing under Maxx "C" and it has excellent recovery.

If you don't consider Sauravis' negation effect a negation effect, that's fine but Called By is for sure negation when most higher tier decks nowadays use graveyard effects. My point is that they had all of this in-engine stuff and still had plenty of card advantage left over to run generic staples in the deck. Hand traps are fine but I'm not trying to get to master rank out here, I purposefully wait out the demotion period so I get put back to gold so I can play decks that aren't just "3 impermanence, 3 ash, 3 droll & lock, 3 Gamma, 3 Alpha, 3 Red Reboot" with an engine attached to it.

[Raven]

This is a pretty silly topic to gripe about VV when Yubel is running rampant and just farts all over VV

EDIT: FWIW OP, its been out for like 10 hours or something. It's new, people will want to play it, but give it two days and everyone will be back to Yubel because it stomps all over VV. If you think you're running into it excessively to the point you "need to lay low", just take the day off, come back tomorrow and you'll find the number of people playing it drastically cut.