So is Yubel fun?

[TormentedSalad]

Ultimately im waiting for the Lightsworn stuff but thats going to be a while is it worth shooting for Yubel? Just looking for ways to pass the time on MD while I wait for the good stuff.

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

Except Yubel's game plan does change depending on what your opponent does, hell you provided a game state that requires a different plan if your opponent doesn't allow you to utilize NIghtmare Pain

Protecting your game plan isn't a change to the game plan. Nightmare Pain is the deck's only win condition. If your opponent stops your Nightmare Pain, you just get it back or get another copy. That's not a change in game plan, it's continuing the same game plan.

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Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

In that its strategy does not change based on what the opponent does. It literally doesn't interact with the opponent's strategy. No matter what they're doing, you play Nightmare Pain and you attack with Yubel. That's it. Regardless of what the opponent is doing, that's the plan. When your plan doesn't change based on game state, that's non-interactive.

B-but sometimes they are forced to focus on Little Knight instead of Yubel plays!

[Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Originally posted by Tunnel Sharks Rule!!!:

Except Yubel's game plan does change depending on what your opponent does, hell you provided a game state that requires a different plan if your opponent doesn't allow you to utilize NIghtmare Pain

Protecting your game plan isn't a change to the game plan. Nightmare Pain is the deck's only win condition. If your opponent stops your Nightmare Pain, you just get it back or get another copy. That's not a change in game plan, it's continuing the same game plan.

Nightmare Pain isn't a win con though, also protect it with what? There's no Varudrus, Fiendsmith or Wave KIng, and you aren't always getting Opening

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by sr5123rs:

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

In that its strategy does not change based on what the opponent does. It literally doesn't interact with the opponent's strategy. No matter what they're doing, you play Nightmare Pain and you attack with Yubel. That's it. Regardless of what the opponent is doing, that's the plan. When your plan doesn't change based on game state, that's non-interactive.

B-but sometimes they are forced to focus on Little Knight instead of Yubel plays!

Lol, the horror!

Honestly Yubel is like Mikanko if Mikanko was busted, the only difference is Mikanko is a ritual deck and doesn't have built in support for Super Poly. If OP likes Mikanko, chances are they'll like Yubel.

[Knud den Store 🧙‍♂]

Allow me to interject as a Yubel enjoyer myself.
Nightmare pain IS a win condition but it is also engine to get to the Unchained portion which summons AccessChud Talker or Knightmare Peter Griffin, so the deck has other options available to win when your opponent realizes the best move in some cases is to not summon a monster since Yubel struggles to win the game on an open board which is part of what makes Yubel somewhat difficult, you could go all in and start summoning every other EX monsters and amass damage or rebuild your board and hope to get them next time.

I just don't have the UR but there are other ways to build Yubel, I had a Super Poly focused brew but the longer you climb the more concessions you need to make for consistency, reason why modern decks are boring.

You could at least say Yubel has two win coins when most other decks are all about making your opponent go minus long enough to attack for lethal next turn.

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by Knud den Store 🧙‍♂:

Allow me to interject as a Yubel enjoyer myself.
Nightmare pain IS a win condition but it is also engine to get to the Unchained portion which summons AccessChud Talker or Knightmare Peter Griffin, so the deck has other options available to win when your opponent realizes the best move in some cases is to not summon a monster since Yubel struggles to win the game on an open board which is part of what makes Yubel somewhat difficult, you could go all in and start summoning every other EX monsters and amass damage or rebuild your board and hope to get them next time.

I just don't have the UR but there are other ways to build Yubel, I had a Super Poly focused brew but the longer you climb the more concessions you need to make for consistency, reason why modern decks are boring.

You could at least say Yubel has two win coins when most other decks are all about making your opponent go minus long enough to attack for lethal next turn.

Quite literally every deck can summon Accesscode Talker. If we genuinely consider it to be a part of any deck it's in, then no deck can ever have an identity at all.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Originally posted by Knud den Store 🧙‍♂:

Allow me to interject as a Yubel enjoyer myself.
Nightmare pain IS a win condition but it is also engine to get to the Unchained portion which summons AccessChud Talker or Knightmare Peter Griffin, so the deck has other options available to win when your opponent realizes the best move in some cases is to not summon a monster since Yubel struggles to win the game on an open board which is part of what makes Yubel somewhat difficult, you could go all in and start summoning every other EX monsters and amass damage or rebuild your board and hope to get them next time.

I just don't have the UR but there are other ways to build Yubel, I had a Super Poly focused brew but the longer you climb the more concessions you need to make for consistency, reason why modern decks are boring.

You could at least say Yubel has two win coins when most other decks are all about making your opponent go minus long enough to attack for lethal next turn.

Quite literally every deck can summon Accesscode Talker. If we genuinely consider it to be a part of any deck it's in, then no deck can ever have an identity at all.

I mean, there are a handful of decks that struggle to put 4 bodies on board without locking themselves out of a generic Link-4. Most of them are bad decks, but they exist.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Quite literally every deck can summon Accesscode Talker. If we genuinely consider it to be a part of any deck it's in, then no deck can ever have an identity at all.

I mean, there are a handful of decks that struggle to put 4 bodies on board without locking themselves out of a generic Link-4. Most of them are bad decks, but they exist.

I think I've seen Accesscode Talker in just about any and every deck save for Code Talker at this point lmao.

Jokes aside though, off the top of my head there's Abyss Actor, Eldlich, Kaiju, Sky Strikers, Magic Musket, Kaiju... I think Shiranui/Mayakashi has a Synchro lock in it somewhere as well...

[DontMisunderstand]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

I mean, there are a handful of decks that struggle to put 4 bodies on board without locking themselves out of a generic Link-4. Most of them are bad decks, but they exist.

Fair enough I guess. Labrynth is a very monster-light deck and still can put out an Accesscode if they want, but in theory you could make a deck that can't. Granted, Labrynth would never want to trade 4 of their monsters for an Accesscode Talker, but the option exists.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by DontMisunderstand:

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

I mean, there are a handful of decks that struggle to put 4 bodies on board without locking themselves out of a generic Link-4. Most of them are bad decks, but they exist.

Fair enough I guess. Labrynth is a very monster-light deck and still can put out an Accesscode if they want, but in theory you could make a deck that can't. Granted, Labrynth would never want to trade 4 of their monsters for an Accesscode Talker, but the option exists.

I was thinking here of stuff like Floo that, by the time you have four monsters on board, is not allowed to summon Accesscode anymore.

[gurrenbuster]

Originally posted by Daguza:

All new archetype are super 1 dimensional, so, not going to be fun and waste ur gems.

Well it's a good thing Yubel has been around for like 15 years then.