OMG ENOUGH OF SNAKE EYES [rant].

[Enclosure]

THIS GAME IS ANNOYING. 30MIN DUELS DOING THE SAME 4 godman CARDS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER? AFTER PLAT ALL I SEE IS THIS BS OF A DECK. THIS IS SO ZZZZzzzz to play.
K$nami WP! You did a great job! ALWAYS Snake eyes. ALWAYS. There's only one deck in this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game.
It's already impossible to farm gem's, and we have to face this broken ass decks without a single ban. This deck is legit unfair.
When your cards are moved to Spell/Trap zone you are put in a position you can’t really recover from that's BS. They can bounce back from 95% off board breaks/negates and one card starters.
There's nothing i can do about it. There's thousands of counters to my spells,cards, and monster effects. They summon more card's then i do in five duels. I am not even joking.

ps: skill issue.


https://infinite.tcgplayer.com/yugioh/deck/Snake-Eyes-Diabellstar/483261
The deck who won the Australia Tournament. 1000$ deck.

[Soji]

Publicado originalmente por Knud den Store 🧙‍♂:

I play Snake-Eyes and it is rare that I get to make a board, I play a going second variant because I can fit board breakers and I only need to resolve the starter for an okay board.

The core issue is that no one is playing mid-ground decks. Tri-Brigade Zoodiac is a great deck against snake eyes, any deck that plans on follow up and does not put everything in one turn. Labrynth is incredible right now, I expect to be Tier 1 next tournament.

Sky Striker is not bad either.
Neither is Thunder Dragon Prank Kids nor Eldlich stun.

There are a lot viable decks. Snake Eye is the same as Soul Sword, same weakness.
Nibiru ends the turn, Evenly Match is great too.
A lot of people see MasterDuelMeta and assume the deck is invincible based on closed tournaments, a lot of the lists are pretty bad because they rely on a side deck.

I too thought that maybe more ppl should start running more nib because of how effective it is at ending their turn after a flameberge GY effect. Usually unless they opened full combo they won't have a negate before you drop it to protect themselves and that's only if you don't have some kind of disruption for the jet synchron e tele with OSS or even a bystal to target the Linkuriboh in response to boreaload eff

[HeraldOfOpera]

Publicado originalmente por 𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼:

Snake eye clowns get timer stalled just like the floodgate and other infinite negate braindead decks.

A reminder that "timer stall" is the actual definition of slow play as far as Konami is concerned. On one hand, Konami's concerns do not go particularly far as long as the money keeps flowing in. On the other, it's established that floodgates get banned in the TCG once they get used in a major tournament and bore spectators to tears.

[1337Cammy]

Publicado originalmente por Naxreus:

The story will repeat always, one time is Branded, then is Tearlaments, then Vanquish Souls, now its Snake Eyes, in the future will be X and then Y after and so on.

Konami will never make a fair game and rather care about selling the best deck of the moment till the next one replaces it. This is Yugioh for you the only way to solve this issue is cutting the desease from the core, Konami must close and another company needs to buy this product to develop it properly.

This.

The issue is not even that decks are slowly getting better, but that there are some objective designconcepts that are unhealthy for the game.
- Endless combo decks who make it hard for you to grasp what is happening and make you sit 15+ minutes for your turn;
- cards that need one very specific out and are otherwise immune to card effects like crooked cook;
- locking your oponent after building a fully established board with e.g. sanctifier + gimmick or king calamity;
- triple effect cards that are not only an opener (most of the time as special summon even) but also an extender and a setup/follow up when reaching the grave

I know it's hard to keep track from a healthy gamedesign perspective, what to exclude on a 10k+ cardpool, but it really seems like alot of this stuff gets ignored so actively, that it starts to get normalized.
Meaning: We see longer and longer games and combos, where stuff such as calamity or gimmick puppet lock are getting actively hyped/pushed.
(e.g. new sets in MD with content creators hyping it up, YCS streams hyping gimmick up and getting reprints to make it more accessible, completely unhit releases of decks like superheavy samurai or Diabellstar engine, or Snake-Eyes, despite it being absolutely dominant and oppressive in the TCG for nearly half a year already.)

I also feel like either they have to change their approach to the cardgame or have to replace the people that are making the shotcalls on the design front.

[𝒏𝑨𝒕𝑬]

What is the point in playing if anything you do can be negated and removed instantly before it even gets to do anything? How is that fun for anyone?

[Silamon]

Publicado originalmente por nAtE:

What is the point in playing if anything you do can be negated and removed instantly before it even gets to do anything? How is that fun for anyone?

It's fun because if you go first you get to do it to the opponent instead.

[Ghost X]

i suggest you to play 3 Nib, this handtrap pretty kills Snake eyes at the right moment

[Silamon]

Publicado originalmente por Ghost X:

i suggest you to play 3 Nib, this handtrap pretty kills Snake eyes at the right moment

Back in my day the only hand trap we needed was Raigeki! *shakes fist angrily at the sky*

[Astrallight]

Publicado originalmente por nAtE:

What is the point in playing if anything you do can be negated and removed instantly before it even gets to do anything? How is that fun for anyone?

Cause powercreep is now too high that game is now decided on coinflips and a bad shuffle system. No one in thier right mind enjoy this slug fest of a game. Either you accept that game is how it is now or stop playing it. And weekly reminder we still have to play the Max C mini game every standby phase before we get to play the real game.

[Silamon]

Publicado originalmente por Astrallight:

Publicado originalmente por nAtE:

What is the point in playing if anything you do can be negated and removed instantly before it even gets to do anything? How is that fun for anyone?

Cause powercreep is now too high that game is now decided on coinflips and a bad shuffle system. No one in thier right mind enjoy this slug fest of a game. Either you accept that game is how it is now or stop playing it. And weekly reminder we still have to play the Max C mini game every standby phase before we get to play the real game.

What really pisses me off the most is that they limited *all* of the decent pot cards, so you HAVE to use max c for draw power now...

[Terminal Desolation]

Publicado originalmente por Soji:

Publicado originalmente por Knud den Store 🧙‍♂:

I play Snake-Eyes and it is rare that I get to make a board, I play a going second variant because I can fit board breakers and I only need to resolve the starter for an okay board.

The core issue is that no one is playing mid-ground decks. Tri-Brigade Zoodiac is a great deck against snake eyes, any deck that plans on follow up and does not put everything in one turn. Labrynth is incredible right now, I expect to be Tier 1 next tournament.

Sky Striker is not bad either.
Neither is Thunder Dragon Prank Kids nor Eldlich stun.

There are a lot viable decks. Snake Eye is the same as Soul Sword, same weakness.
Nibiru ends the turn, Evenly Match is great too.
A lot of people see MasterDuelMeta and assume the deck is invincible based on closed tournaments, a lot of the lists are pretty bad because they rely on a side deck.

I too thought that maybe more ppl should start running more nib because of how effective it is at ending their turn after a flameberge GY effect. Usually unless they opened full combo they won't have a negate before you drop it to protect themselves and that's only if you don't have some kind of disruption for the jet synchron e tele with OSS or even a bystal to target the Linkuriboh in response to boreaload eff

worth noting that, for the most part, Snake Eyes can comfortably play through Nib even if you keep them off Jet Synchron... field spell set flamberge and as long as they don't send flamberge, when you Nib, that triggers the field spell which summons Flamberge. I'll usually try to get my board to Flamberge + someone else so I can go directly into IP with those 2, so at the VERY least, I'll end on field spell + set IP + live Flamberge + nib token... and depending on the hand or if you, say, used Ash Blossom, I can keep going from there.

If you haven't seen this line, you probably haven't seen a lot of good SE players, hence why you think Nib is a turn ender.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Publicado originalmente por Silamon:

Publicado originalmente por Ghost X:

i suggest you to play 3 Nib, this handtrap pretty kills Snake eyes at the right moment

Back in my day the only hand trap we needed was Raigeki! *shakes fist angrily at the sky*

*Gorz

Publicado originalmente por Silamon:

Publicado originalmente por Astrallight:

Cause powercreep is now too high that game is now decided on coinflips and a bad shuffle system. No one in thier right mind enjoy this slug fest of a game. Either you accept that game is how it is now or stop playing it. And weekly reminder we still have to play the Max C mini game every standby phase before we get to play the real game.

What really pisses me off the most is that they limited *all* of the decent pot cards, so you HAVE to use max c for draw power now...

The OCG metagame exists to serve the roach, not the other way around.

[SNAAAKE]

Publicado originalmente por Doomy4Life:

Play Floo, Kash or any deck that can run Dimension Shifter. Hell, theres even a stun deck or two out there that you can run. If all your seeing is Snek, run the counters and win the games. lolz :cgrazz::rrazz::trazz:

How do you not see that this is the fundamental problem with the entire game? I shouldn't have to assemble a deck to just counter unfair cards because everyone in 2024 is a homogeneous meta slave

[Theo]

Only snake eyes and they banned everything that can be a rogue. It's worse that others meta , at least you could play floodgates or something else. only snake eyes and handtraps everywhere.

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Publicado originalmente por SNAAAKE:

Publicado originalmente por Doomy4Life:

Play Floo, Kash or any deck that can run Dimension Shifter. Hell, theres even a stun deck or two out there that you can run. If all your seeing is Snek, run the counters and win the games. lolz :cgrazz::rrazz::trazz:

How do you not see that this is the fundamental problem with the entire game? I shouldn't have to assemble a deck to just counter unfair cards because everyone in 2024 is a homogeneous meta slave

That's kind of the point of a meta. Something new and strong comes out -> People flock to it -> Fluctuating win rate till a certified strategy comes out -> That new thing over performs once people figure it out and starts over representing -> Community starts adapting and growing to counter new strategy -> game format is shaken up until buffs and nerfs happen -> Repeat.
If you don't like it you are absolutely free to play one of the completely free simulators to play Edison or GOAT format where you don't have to worry or think about change and you aren't expected to adapt since everything is right there in front of you so you can play the same thing as much as you want.

[SNAAAKE]

Publicado originalmente por ¿¡Kloey!?²:

Publicado originalmente por SNAAAKE:

How do you not see that this is the fundamental problem with the entire game? I shouldn't have to assemble a deck to just counter unfair cards because everyone in 2024 is a homogeneous meta slave

That's kind of the point of a meta. Something new and strong comes out -> People flock to it -> Fluctuating win rate till a certified strategy comes out -> That new thing over performs once people figure it out and starts over representing -> Community starts adapting and growing to counter new strategy -> game format is shaken up until buffs and nerfs happen -> Repeat.
If you don't like it you are absolutely free to play one of the completely free simulators to play Edison or GOAT format where you don't have to worry or think about change and you aren't expected to adapt since everything is right there in front of you so you can play the same thing as much as you want.

I'm sorry, you're saying the reason I don't like people playing the same 3 decks is because I don't want to " ...worry about change."

What insane mental gymnastics to avoid admitting the community is a brain dead hive mind of serotonin addicts. All they want are non interactive solutions in a game with thousands of cards. The variety and lack of player interaction make rounds dragged out slogs. It's rotten to the core.