Turn 1 and 2. Change my mind.

[Lucky]

If you start first.

You pose a defense card face verso, 1 or 2 trap/magic card.

Opponent. Summon monster witch summon 1 over... Combos. After 8 cards 1 XYZ card and 2 or 3 link monster( at least). You have your monster banish. Because F K you. Your trap is négated and send to the grave and your other card is bannished as a collatéral for another of his summons.

End bord on your side before battle phase empty, the other. 3 monster with 3000 plus attack. 8000>0

Thx for playing.

You are second to play. All the above happened but you have your 6 cards in hands (Yeah). You play a magic. Negated and distroyed. 5 cards. let's be générous you use raigeki or another card to clear the fiels(you had 2 in hand). But the ennemy (1 or all) monsters are immune to destuctions( hand trap exist too to negate), Same for trap and magic, a negate and 1 cards less. So you wasted 2 cards. 4 cards. After the activation of the card, for XYZ raison your opponent start a combo. Summoning more monster or card into it's hands or field. (Utilisable both when you summons a monster too, refreshing the negate he got). You have now 1 monster to summon and 3 cards to use... Let's say you arrive by miracle to summon your monster. You have a meatshield for 1 turn.

Recap. You had 2 cards négated. You have against you 3 monster of at least 2000 or more who are immune to damage even if you have a bigger monster. With magic and traps against you...

You have 4 cards in hands. you play a monster who gonna be fu ck ed negated or bannished. And for the over cards pray that it's not only monster or useless cards in that situation. What do you do?

Nothing, your ♥♥♥♥ because. The first exemple above happen again even if you have good cards and you lose.

Plot twist: it's casual so it's only happen 1 to 3 time.

So here we are. change my mind on what is not real.

I quit until there is a format battle city or something like a 1/2 minutes turn.

[76561199378662608]

Nah everybody know you won't change your mind but if this happened to you most of the time then you should change to a better deck or tweak your current deck to be more consistent because it is what it is.

[dabestgamer]

Originally posted by Lucky:

If you start first.

You pose a defense card face verso, 1 or 2 trap/magic card.

Well unfortunately, we are far from the era where you could had a better chance of getting away with this sort of play.

[Manslayer]

Play a more interactive deck, put in cards to counter things that counter you. Stop trying to T-set like this is 2004 and play the modern cards and adapt. There are tons of answers to everything, you just have to play them.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

You need better going 2nd cards, the game has kinda devolved into a spam-fest with maxx c mini-game so you need ways to get those juicy 2 for 1s or better to mitigate the negate/quick effect/floodgate spam.

[Daviodraan]

''just change your deck'' is a pathetic excuse for a broken game with nasty power creep.
yeah, the game is rng for both sides. best meta deck wins 90% of the time tho, because ''draw phase'' and summon limits, or ''your'' or ''your opponent's'' turn are just there for non top tier decks, and the right deck with some remotely decent rng can essentially play 2 turns in a row, omni negate everything 3 times a turn or more or downright floodgate every card type, and then otk.

It's a game to see ''who let's the other play the least in the most amount of plays possible to waste their time the best''

I've seen this happen time and time again in many other kinds of pvp games. Inherently toxic design. Promotes cheese, punishes creativity, and it being a card game just makes it even worse through ungodly lvls of rng.

''Either you can essentially play your entire deck and extra as if it was already in your hand, and completely prevent the other player from ever playing the game and then otk (if not ftk), or just waste a turn and die, enjoy.''

yup, seems fun.

[Raven]

If you sat there and let your opponent go off and did absolutely nothing to disrupt them, either you bricked or the problem lies with your deck. Maybe both. Or actually, since your example is the way that it is, it might be an issue with you.

[Merilirem]

How high are you? Maybe let yourself fall to gold. Because down in gold even a counter fairy deck feels overpowered.

[.]

Originally posted by Raven:

If you sat there and let your opponent go off and did absolutely nothing to disrupt them, either you bricked or the problem lies with your deck. Maybe both. Or actually, since your example is the way that it is, it might be an issue with you.

Stop justifying hand traps as the be all end all. Not every deck should have to rely on that or DRNM to break a board.

Nigh unbreakable, OP boards shouldn't be a thing.

[JUMP'NSHOOTMAN]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by Raven:

If you sat there and let your opponent go off and did absolutely nothing to disrupt them, either you bricked or the problem lies with your deck. Maybe both. Or actually, since your example is the way that it is, it might be an issue with you.

Stop justifying hand traps as the be all end all. Not every deck should have to rely on that or DRNM to break a board.

Nigh unbreakable, OP boards shouldn't be a thing.

Sounds like you have a case of Needabetterdeck. Even MTG has poor draws that lead to a lopsided board.

But, honestly keep crapping in your pants and refuse to use the toilet because it takes a bit more effort. I don't have to deal with the issue.

[.]

Originally posted by JUMP'NSHOOTMAN:

Originally posted by Garbage:

Stop justifying hand traps as the be all end all. Not every deck should have to rely on that or DRNM to break a board.

Nigh unbreakable, OP boards shouldn't be a thing.

Sounds like you have a case of Needabetterdeck. Even MTG has poor draws that lead to a lopsided board.

But, honestly keep crapping in your pants and refuse to use the toilet because it takes a bit more effort. I don't have to deal with the issue.

That's a really irrelevant counterpoint.

End boards should look akin to the way they did back during goat format, and not 3 omninegates + King Calamity. Nothing will change my mind, especially after a post like yours.

[schicke]

Pick up Scareclaw. A deck that does fine when going first and second.
Yes, not the strongest deck out there. And yes, it can brick hard (only one Scareclaw monster in starting hand is a classic with all the handtraps around)
But it also has the tools to go against current meta decks. Some better protection for the non link scareclaws would be amazing tho.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by JUMP'NSHOOTMAN:

Sounds like you have a case of Needabetterdeck. Even MTG has poor draws that lead to a lopsided board.

But, honestly keep crapping in your pants and refuse to use the toilet because it takes a bit more effort. I don't have to deal with the issue.

That's a really irrelevant counterpoint.

End boards should look akin to the way they did back during goat format, and not 3 omninegates + King Calamity. Nothing will change my mind, especially after a post like yours.

I mean that isn't wrong. 3 actual Omni's and a King Calamity dropped on your turn would definitely be too much outside of a god hand situation. Decks that do that with any reliability get banned though.

[.]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Garbage:

That's a really irrelevant counterpoint.

End boards should look akin to the way they did back during goat format, and not 3 omninegates + King Calamity. Nothing will change my mind, especially after a post like yours.

I mean that isn't wrong. 3 actual Omni's and a King Calamity dropped on your turn would definitely be too much outside of a god hand situation. Decks that do that with any reliability get banned though.

SHS is running around right now unchecked.

[Manslayer]

Originally posted by Elden John (Core: Armored):

''just change your deck'' is a pathetic excuse for a broken game with nasty power creep.
yeah, the game is rng for both sides. best meta deck wins 90% of the time tho, because ''draw phase'' and summon limits, or ''your'' or ''your opponent's'' turn are just there for non top tier decks, and the right deck with some remotely decent rng can essentially play 2 turns in a row, omni negate everything 3 times a turn or more or downright floodgate every card type, and then otk.

It's a game to see ''who let's the other play the least in the most amount of plays possible to waste their time the best''

I've seen this happen time and time again in many other kinds of pvp games. Inherently toxic design. Promotes cheese, punishes creativity, and it being a card game just makes it even worse through ungodly lvls of rng.

''Either you can essentially play your entire deck and extra as if it was already in your hand, and completely prevent the other player from ever playing the game and then otk (if not ftk), or just waste a turn and die, enjoy.''

yup, seems fun.

Just change your deck is a valid response. You realize yugioh is one of the few card games with no formats, in mtg you gotta change your deck constantly to stay in standard. Adjust your deck to the shifting meta, or don't and complain jinzo isn't meta anymore then complain later the Meta never chsnges. Teledad was still the most broken deck ever, that was a goats era deck.

[.]

Originally posted by Manslayer:

Originally posted by Elden John (Core: Armored):

''just change your deck'' is a pathetic excuse for a broken game with nasty power creep.
yeah, the game is rng for both sides. best meta deck wins 90% of the time tho, because ''draw phase'' and summon limits, or ''your'' or ''your opponent's'' turn are just there for non top tier decks, and the right deck with some remotely decent rng can essentially play 2 turns in a row, omni negate everything 3 times a turn or more or downright floodgate every card type, and then otk.

It's a game to see ''who let's the other play the least in the most amount of plays possible to waste their time the best''

I've seen this happen time and time again in many other kinds of pvp games. Inherently toxic design. Promotes cheese, punishes creativity, and it being a card game just makes it even worse through ungodly lvls of rng.

''Either you can essentially play your entire deck and extra as if it was already in your hand, and completely prevent the other player from ever playing the game and then otk (if not ftk), or just waste a turn and die, enjoy.''

yup, seems fun.

Just change your deck is a valid response. You realize yugioh is one of the few card games with no formats, in mtg you gotta change your deck constantly to stay in standard. Adjust your deck to the shifting meta, or don't and complain jinzo isn't meta anymore then complain later the Meta never chsnges. Teledad was still the most broken deck ever, that was a goats era deck.

Goat: 2005

Teledad: 2009

That's 4 whole years apart.