Yugioh will never be a balanced card game.

[𝕹𝖞𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖉]

to many cards are being printed with floating +1 effects from the graveyard with costs that are not actually costs but +1s. The only way this game will ever be balanced is if they kill combo completely by changing the base rules of the game, The board has 5 spell/trap zones and 6 monster zones, limiting special and normal summons to 5-6 per turn would fix so many issues with so many tier 0 decks being printed its unreal. Nibiru would still see use and actually be more impactful with this rules change, But a card game with no balancing mechanic like mana/land. will never be balanced or even remotely fun to play. Its not fun to wait 10 minutes per turn, Its not fun to lose if you don't open a hand trap. Its not fun to play perfectly on turn 1 to have 10 negates and 6 cards in hand and your opponent lose by just sitting their waiting to play. Nothing about Yugioh has been fun for years and its just a sad state of affairs. I loved this show as a kid, I loved this card game as a kid, but its just horrible to play and has been for a while. each time i come back it just gets worse. So why is everyone so pissed off when someone wants to make the game enjoyable? god forbid you spent 300 dollars on a meta deck for it to be banned anyways. The people who don't want to fix the game, are the problem, Not people like me who actually want the game to be fun again.

[HeraldOfOpera]

They tried changing the rules to make current decks unviable. It came the closest of anything they'd ever done to genuinely killing the game, and they've since changed most of the rules back.

Seriously, if your problem with MR4 is that it didn't go far enough in its murder spree then the actual game you want is Rush Duels. They banned all the cards and started over, then implemented several playground houserules for good measure.

[Papa Shekels]

Oh boy, the 200th person complaining about the same thing with the same ignorant opinions. This is surely going to contribute to discussion

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Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Oh boy, the 200th person complaining about the same thing with the same ignorant opinions. This is surely going to contribute to discussion

But they're all correct.

[Rameol]

Why stop there? I will personally go as far as to say that all effect monsters should be banned. We should go back the old glory days where summoning Blue Eyes White Dragon was a big achievement, so whoever pulls the monster with the highest attack wins. Pure and simple

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Oh boy, the 200th person complaining about the same thing with the same ignorant opinions. This is surely going to contribute to discussion

But they're all correct.

Except for the part you once again failed to acknowledge: Konami tried it once and it backfired so completely that they actually changed course for the first time to go back to what was working before.

Originally posted by cultrupt:

Why stop there? I will personally go as far as to say that all effect monsters should be banned. We should go back the old glory days where summoning Blue Eyes White Dragon was a big achievement, so whoever pulls the monster with the highest attack wins. Pure and simple

Ban all cards period, start over. Rush Duel supremacy!

[TormentedSalad]

Originally posted by Allucard:

to many cards are being printed with floating +1 effects from the graveyard with costs that are not actually costs but +1s. The only way this game will ever be balanced is if they kill combo completely by changing the base rules of the game, The board has 5 spell/trap zones and 6 monster zones, limiting special and normal summons to 5-6 per turn would fix so many issues with so many tier 0 decks being printed its unreal. Nibiru would still see use and actually be more impactful with this rules change, But a card game with no balancing mechanic like mana/land. will never be balanced or even remotely fun to play. Its not fun to wait 10 minutes per turn, Its not fun to lose if you don't open a hand trap. Its not fun to play perfectly on turn 1 to have 10 negates and 6 cards in hand and your opponent lose by just sitting their waiting to play. Nothing about Yugioh has been fun for years and its just a sad state of affairs. I loved this show as a kid, I loved this card game as a kid, but its just horrible to play and has been for a while. each time i come back it just gets worse. So why is everyone so pissed off when someone wants to make the game enjoyable? god forbid you spent 300 dollars on a meta deck for it to be banned anyways. The people who don't want to fix the game, are the problem, Not people like me who actually want the game to be fun again.

why are you worried about the balance of a card game you dont play given your examples thats clearly the case if I wanted mana/lands i'd be playing some other game and the last actual tier zero deck could do a full turn in 6 summons we are pissed off everyone seems to want to turn yugioh into generic magic clone 86 yugioh is different its not aping the same ♥♥♥♥ mana mechanic thats why we are here

[Terminal Desolation]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Oh boy, the 200th person complaining about the same thing with the same ignorant opinions. This is surely going to contribute to discussion

But they're all correct.

look just because you think your 2006 Dark World deck or w/e was cool and you want to play it over 15 years later but keep getting dumpstered doesn't mean your opinion is correct

it means you have an opinion

one that despite being vocal is in the distinct minority based off Konami's design philosophy, profit margins, and continued success of in-person events

some of us are pretty happy with the game overall, and while there might be some issues, if you think the only way to "save" the game is to effectively destroy everything that makes the game unique and enjoyable for the majority of the playerbase... you should just go find a different game

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Originally posted by Terminal Desolation:

Originally posted by Garbage:

But they're all correct.

look just because you think your 2006 Dark World deck or w/e was cool and you want to play it over 15 years later but keep getting dumpstered doesn't mean your opinion is correct

it means you have an opinion

one that despite being vocal is in the distinct minority based off Konami's design philosophy, profit margins, and continued success of in-person events

some of us are pretty happy with the game overall, and while there might be some issues, if you think the only way to "save" the game is to effectively destroy everything that makes the game unique and enjoyable for the majority of the playerbase... you should just go find a different game

Cool. They're still correct.

[berndlauert]

Ive decided this week that i delete all the games and yugioh youtube channels and put my real cards in the basement because this game has gotten so horrible that i just dont enjoy playing anymore. I think the tipping point for me is branded cards that add 10 cards from the deck and graveyard in one turn. Its just a giant waste of time. You watch the opponent for 10 minutes and by minute 5 you know you cant beat the board, even if you counter a few things he still has 5 cards in hand, and you even have to wait 5 more minutes so he finishes you just to get your daily points.

Its pay2win to the core, you have to keep buying more packs to keep up. The game is forcing you to play ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unfun decks because you cannot win anything in ladder with a 3 months old deck. The company does not want to make the game fun, they only want your money.

Yugioh has become gambling. Pay your fee by buying a current meta deck, flip a coin and if you bought the best deck and go first, you win. Horrible. And you can't tell me its not pay2win because you can earn daily points. I have done so for a few seasons and always tried to keep up and improve my decks, and it was for a few seasons possible to get all the cards neccessary, but now I cannot get a playable deck without spending money. I used my last 1000 gems to get 1 UR from the pack with the Gate Guardian cards, i still have not completed a branded deck, I have opened 5 packs and couldnt get one of the new 1500 card, and by now there have been 2 or 3 other packs with probably way better cards so I am stuck with a bunch of unplayable cards that will only get wins vs. new players who play Blue eyes and Dark Magician.

[dabestgamer]

Originally posted by berndlauert:

Ive decided this week that i delete all the games and yugioh youtube channels and put my real cards in the basement because this game has gotten so horrible that i just dont enjoy playing anymore. I think the tipping point for me is branded cards that add 10 cards from the deck and graveyard in one turn. Its just a giant waste of time. You watch the opponent for 10 minutes and by minute 5 you know you cant beat the board, even if you counter a few things he still has 5 cards in hand, and you even have to wait 5 more minutes so he finishes you just to get your daily points.

Its pay2win to the core, you have to keep buying more packs to keep up. The game is forcing you to play ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unfun decks because you cannot win anything in ladder with a 3 months old deck. The company does not want to make the game fun, they only want your money.

Yugioh has become gambling. Pay your fee by buying a current meta deck, flip a coin and if you bought the best deck and go first, you win. Horrible. And you can't tell me its not pay2win because you can earn daily points. I have done so for a few seasons and always tried to keep up and improve my decks, and it was for a few seasons possible to get all the cards neccessary, but now I cannot get a playable deck without spending money. I used my last 1000 gems to get 1 UR from the pack with the Gate Guardian cards, i still have not completed a branded deck, I have opened 5 packs and couldnt get one of the new 1500 card, and by now there have been 2 or 3 other packs with probably way better cards so I am stuck with a bunch of unplayable cards that will only get wins vs. new players who play Blue eyes and Dark Magician.

The competitive environment was always having players who focused on getting the most optimal Decks/cards, especially the higher you tried to get in rankings, the further you tried to go into tournaments (especially the bigger ones), etc. And even those players have always tried to do whatever they could to win as fast as possible, prevent the opponent from playing as much as possible, etc.

This includes the game as it was years ago.

And Master Duel Ranked is... well... a competitive environment of sorts. Therefore, players will gravitate towards whatever they feel is the most optimal and try to climb the rankings with that.

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Originally posted by berndlauert:

Ive decided this week that i delete all the games and yugioh youtube channels and put my real cards in the basement because this game has gotten so horrible that i just dont enjoy playing anymore. I think the tipping point for me is branded cards that add 10 cards from the deck and graveyard in one turn. Its just a giant waste of time. You watch the opponent for 10 minutes and by minute 5 you know you cant beat the board, even if you counter a few things he still has 5 cards in hand, and you even have to wait 5 more minutes so he finishes you just to get your daily points.

Its pay2win to the core, you have to keep buying more packs to keep up. The game is forcing you to play ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unfun decks because you cannot win anything in ladder with a 3 months old deck. The company does not want to make the game fun, they only want your money.

Yugioh has become gambling. Pay your fee by buying a current meta deck, flip a coin and if you bought the best deck and go first, you win. Horrible. And you can't tell me its not pay2win because you can earn daily points. I have done so for a few seasons and always tried to keep up and improve my decks, and it was for a few seasons possible to get all the cards neccessary, but now I cannot get a playable deck without spending money. I used my last 1000 gems to get 1 UR from the pack with the Gate Guardian cards, i still have not completed a branded deck, I have opened 5 packs and couldnt get one of the new 1500 card, and by now there have been 2 or 3 other packs with probably way better cards so I am stuck with a bunch of unplayable cards that will only get wins vs. new players who play Blue eyes and Dark Magician.

You'll come back.

[berndlauert]

Originally posted by Garbage:

Originally posted by berndlauert:

Ive decided this week that i delete all the games and yugioh youtube channels and put my real cards in the basement because this game has gotten so horrible that i just dont enjoy playing anymore. I think the tipping point for me is branded cards that add 10 cards from the deck and graveyard in one turn. Its just a giant waste of time. You watch the opponent for 10 minutes and by minute 5 you know you cant beat the board, even if you counter a few things he still has 5 cards in hand, and you even have to wait 5 more minutes so he finishes you just to get your daily points.

Its pay2win to the core, you have to keep buying more packs to keep up. The game is forcing you to play ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unfun decks because you cannot win anything in ladder with a 3 months old deck. The company does not want to make the game fun, they only want your money.

Yugioh has become gambling. Pay your fee by buying a current meta deck, flip a coin and if you bought the best deck and go first, you win. Horrible. And you can't tell me its not pay2win because you can earn daily points. I have done so for a few seasons and always tried to keep up and improve my decks, and it was for a few seasons possible to get all the cards neccessary, but now I cannot get a playable deck without spending money. I used my last 1000 gems to get 1 UR from the pack with the Gate Guardian cards, i still have not completed a branded deck, I have opened 5 packs and couldnt get one of the new 1500 card, and by now there have been 2 or 3 other packs with probably way better cards so I am stuck with a bunch of unplayable cards that will only get wins vs. new players who play Blue eyes and Dark Magician.

You'll come back.

i hope not. Its really not worth my time

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Originally posted by Allucard:

The people who don't want to fix the game, are the problem, Not people like me who actually want the game to be fun again.

This is the crux of the issue with posts like these. It hinges on the fallacy that "If I'm not having fun, how can anyone else have fun?" As someone who spent the majority of master duel playing rogue decks this is not a post coming from a 'meta' player before anyone even tries it. If Yugioh is not fun for you, that's perfectly fine, there are other games in the market and many alternatives to enjoying this IP that are available to you. There are plenty of people who enjoy the fast paced nature of this game, myself included. But you are correct about one thing, Yugioh will most likely never be balanced and none of us will know 100% what kind of changes will impact the product in the future not just for the casual scene but for the competitive one as well. I'm not saying this game doesn't have its problems, I have yet to meet someone who says if doesnt. But at the end of the day do not let a company dictate how you enjoy your games. Like I said there are plenty of available routes you will have to do the leg work for if you want to try and enjoy Yugioh the way you want to and stop putting down others for having fun at something you aren't. Cause again, at the end of the day the fault SOLELY lies with Konami, a company that continues to drop the ball with its IPs, not just Yugioh.

[Astrallight]

If you want mana/land as your balance then this is your game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/397060/Faeria/

[theoncastillo28]

Originally posted by Allucard:

to many cards are being printed with floating +1 effects from the graveyard with costs that are not actually costs but +1s. The only way this game will ever be balanced is if they kill combo completely by changing the base rules of the game, The board has 5 spell/trap zones and 6 monster zones, limiting special and normal summons to 5-6 per turn would fix so many issues with so many tier 0 decks being printed its unreal. Nibiru would still see use and actually be more impactful with this rules change, But a card game with no balancing mechanic like mana/land. will never be balanced or even remotely fun to play. Its not fun to wait 10 minutes per turn, Its not fun to lose if you don't open a hand trap. Its not fun to play perfectly on turn 1 to have 10 negates and 6 cards in hand and your opponent lose by just sitting their waiting to play. Nothing about Yugioh has been fun for years and its just a sad state of affairs. I loved this show as a kid, I loved this card game as a kid, but its just horrible to play and has been for a while. each time i come back it just gets worse. So why is everyone so pissed off when someone wants to make the game enjoyable? god forbid you spent 300 dollars on a meta deck for it to be banned anyways. The people who don't want to fix the game, are the problem, Not people like me who actually want the game to be fun again.

Game could be fixed if it was closer to the show and employed a psuedo highlander system. Notice in the show, they often tend to run 1 copy of the same card. They also tend to not keep spamming the same strategy over and over.

Basically if Konami employed a highlander system for all effect monsters, spell and traps that don't require multiple copies to function, the game would be far better.