If you run Fossil Dyna

[Battleraiser]

Just uninstall and let people play Yugioh.

[Beefsquatch436]

Publicado originalmente por Merilirem:

Publicado originalmente por Beefsquatch436:

We have to remember our individual experience doesn’t paint the whole picture.
I would encourage you to do research on the ENTIRE community across the internet(which is not hard nowadays) and see the full picture of current yugioh.

I have. What exactly are you seeing in yours? Because its not what I see.

My experience is not what’s important, it’s the community experience that’s important and from what I’m seeing as a whole across the board, my description is accurate.

[Merilirem]

Publicado originalmente por Beefsquatch436:

Publicado originalmente por Merilirem:

I have. What exactly are you seeing in yours? Because its not what I see.

My experience is not what’s important, it’s the community experience that’s important and from what I’m seeing as a whole across the board, my description is accurate.

I wasn't talking about my or your experience. I was talking about your research into the community and what is actually being played. Was that not obvious given the context?

Let me be clear. No matter how much I look at what is being played from every search I can find on Yugioh decks I cannot find a significant number of decks like the ones you described. They exist, but are not even close to being a majority. Even among Meta decks you don't see enough to justify the 4-5 negate comment you made earlier and the "no interaction" claim is even less supported as only a few decks are truly trying to lock the other player out. Notably the decks using Sanctifire to put floodgates on the opponents field. However most decks are not doing anything near that kind of play.

[Beefsquatch436]

Publicado originalmente por Merilirem:

Publicado originalmente por Beefsquatch436:

My experience is not what’s important, it’s the community experience that’s important and from what I’m seeing as a whole across the board, my description is accurate.

I wasn't talking about my or your experience. I was talking about your research into the community and what is actually being played. Was that not obvious given the context?

Let me be clear. No matter how much I look at what is being played from every search I can find on Yugioh decks I cannot find a significant number of decks like the ones you described. They exist, but are not even close to being a majority. Even among Meta decks you don't see enough to justify the 4-5 negate comment you made earlier and the "no interaction" claim is even less supported as only a few decks are truly trying to lock the other player out. Notably the decks using Sanctifire to put floodgates on the opponents field. However most decks are not doing anything near that kind of play.

No it wasn't obvious.

So lets just look at these forums for a smaller grouping. Everyday you open these forums you find a post about how much somebody dislikes current yugioh because of all of the negates or stun decks or floodgates. You don't get on here everyday and see post about how great the current state is do you? No because there aren't many lol

However everyday you can find someone upset about the current game here literally everyday. Then people complain about the post complaining about the state of the game...everyday lol Just using these forums as a smaller focus grouping, but yeah it is what it is, interaction is gone and the game is different now.

[Merilirem]

Publicado originalmente por Beefsquatch436:

Publicado originalmente por Merilirem:

I wasn't talking about my or your experience. I was talking about your research into the community and what is actually being played. Was that not obvious given the context?

Let me be clear. No matter how much I look at what is being played from every search I can find on Yugioh decks I cannot find a significant number of decks like the ones you described. They exist, but are not even close to being a majority. Even among Meta decks you don't see enough to justify the 4-5 negate comment you made earlier and the "no interaction" claim is even less supported as only a few decks are truly trying to lock the other player out. Notably the decks using Sanctifire to put floodgates on the opponents field. However most decks are not doing anything near that kind of play.

No it wasn't obvious.

So lets just look at these forums for a smaller grouping. Everyday you open these forums you find a post about how much somebody dislikes current yugioh because of all of the negates or stun decks or floodgates. You don't get on here everyday and see post about how great the current state is do you? No because there aren't many lol

However everyday you can find someone upset about the current game here literally everyday. Then people complain about the post complaining about the state of the game...everyday lol Just using these forums as a smaller focus grouping, but yeah it is what it is, interaction is gone and the game is different now.

These forums are not an accurate metric at all. The only people making posts are people with something to say. If the game is good you don't generally post about it. If the game annoys them they do. So you end up with confirmation bias because the loudest people are the ones complaining. Adding to that most of the posts on these forums are troll threads. Other than that you have people who are just plain wrong because they don't understand the game. In fact its quite rare to see someone actually complaining about things that is both reasonable and understands what they are talking about. This is also a pretty small sample size. I have been on these forums since the start and it just doesn't represent the larger player-base properly. I know I personally blocked all the people making clown threads because I was sick of walking into them.

The steam forums are the last place you should be looking for accurate Data. At least half the people here don't even know what the actual meta is. Let alone what is being played besides Meta. The ones complaining often act like nothing exists past whatever new deck they hate that month. People almost never talk about games against healthy decks is the point. Its all salt posts or forum games.

[Beefsquatch436]

Publicado originalmente por Merilirem:

Publicado originalmente por Beefsquatch436:

No it wasn't obvious.

So lets just look at these forums for a smaller grouping. Everyday you open these forums you find a post about how much somebody dislikes current yugioh because of all of the negates or stun decks or floodgates. You don't get on here everyday and see post about how great the current state is do you? No because there aren't many lol

However everyday you can find someone upset about the current game here literally everyday. Then people complain about the post complaining about the state of the game...everyday lol Just using these forums as a smaller focus grouping, but yeah it is what it is, interaction is gone and the game is different now.

These forums are not an accurate metric at all. The only people making posts are people with something to say. If the game is good you don't generally post about it. If the game annoys them they do. So you end up with confirmation bias because the loudest people are the ones complaining. Adding to that most of the posts on these forums are troll threads. Other than that you have people who are just plain wrong because they don't understand the game. In fact its quite rare to see someone actually complaining about things that is both reasonable and understands what they are talking about. This is also a pretty small sample size. I have been on these forums since the start and it just doesn't represent the larger player-base properly. I know I personally blocked all the people making clown threads because I was sick of walking into them.

The steam forums are the last place you should be looking for accurate Data. At least half the people here don't even know what the actual meta is. Let alone what is being played besides Meta. The ones complaining often act like nothing exists past whatever new deck they hate that month. People almost never talk about games against healthy decks is the point. Its all salt posts or forum games.

Ok

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Continuing the conversation from above, at surface level Beefsquatch is right, setting up a huge board of negates and playing a stun deck do revolve around one thing; making sure your opponent does not have a chance to fight back. However when it comes to the 'board of negates' you are at least giving your opponent some semblance of interaction seeing as how they are still able to activate cards to bait out your opponent to try and get some kind of combo piece in, you know unless your opponent somehow manages to set up about 4-5 negates in one turn which I have only been hit recently with in regards to Utopia since I didn't have a handtrap. You are still being told no, but at the very least you have the illusion of having a chance. It's like playing a card and hearing "Stop right there criminal scum, you violated the law."

For floodgate decks, their whole purpose is to take the mechanics of Yugioh, throw it in the trash and just say "Nu uh, you can't play that because I changed all the rules." When it comes to board negates, you have a risk of being disrupted, being kaiju'd, dark ruler no more, etc. and with usual floodgate decks you have to have some kind of backrow removal as a spell/trap (and that's if they don't solemn it) if they drew any monster negate like skill drain which in about over half of the matchups you will be fighting decks that are monster focused, you won't need anything else besides what an engine currently has for removal to begin with but if that gets shut down and you don't have/draw backrow removal you are forced to keep climbing a hill that keeps getting steeper while your opponent doesn't risk or have to think much. But if you do end up feather dusting/destroying their backrow, the scoop is almost immediate; since their strategy is simple, effective, but incredibly fragile.

Another way to look at this is that a standard player has to figure out a way to win using their combo pieces. A floodgate player just has to worry about if they have what they need to lock you out of everything and then some. Stun decks are just taking the best and worst of their strengths and weaknesses to form a more coherent strategy.

It may seem like a bias here but I think both strategies are fine in a bubble as there's really not much in the game I can personally point to that makes me wonder why it's even in the game to begin with. If you read this far please let me know if you have any other points to add onto these or if you think I am just plain wrong.

Edit: Nevermind, Mathmech apparently got hands too with a ton of negates lmao. Especially with their recent support.

[Merilirem]

One thing about negates is that you can extend past them and then you are good to keep playing. Floodgates just gotta be removed or ignored because you play Floo.

[Sky Striker Ace - Kagari]

Publicado originalmente por Vento:

nah, stun is just trash.

Q_Q

[Akemua]

Publicado originalmente por Beefsquatch436:

Publicado originalmente por Merilirem:

I wasn't talking about my or your experience. I was talking about your research into the community and what is actually being played. Was that not obvious given the context?

Let me be clear. No matter how much I look at what is being played from every search I can find on Yugioh decks I cannot find a significant number of decks like the ones you described. They exist, but are not even close to being a majority. Even among Meta decks you don't see enough to justify the 4-5 negate comment you made earlier and the "no interaction" claim is even less supported as only a few decks are truly trying to lock the other player out. Notably the decks using Sanctifire to put floodgates on the opponents field. However most decks are not doing anything near that kind of play.

No it wasn't obvious.

So lets just look at these forums for a smaller grouping. Everyday you open these forums you find a post about how much somebody dislikes current yugioh because of all of the negates or stun decks or floodgates. You don't get on here everyday and see post about how great the current state is do you? No because there aren't many lol

However everyday you can find someone upset about the current game here literally everyday. Then people complain about the post complaining about the state of the game...everyday lol Just using these forums as a smaller focus grouping, but yeah it is what it is, interaction is gone and the game is different now.

I mean, I don't remember the exact phrasing, but it's been more or less statistically proven people are more inclined to say speak on something they dislike vs like.

Game forums are a prime example. Most people that enjoy games don't feel the need to make a post because there's really nothing to talk about. They enjoy the game, that's enough.

People that have an issue with a game are compelled to speak on it. That's just life in general.

[Raven]

I'm just gonna say...I just played someone who threw it out first turn and passed, so I stole it and beat him down with it so....yay?