What counts as "Slow Play"?

[Kane526]

I just reported a Kashtira player with lethal, an Arise-Heart, 3 Shangs, and had blocked off all my back row and some of my front row. I didn't have anything but i still wanted duel pass points so I just immediately ended my turn. He played a bunch of cards and then instead of killing me with my 100 life points left (he intentionally didn't finish me off last turn either) just immediately went to End Phase. So I reported him for Slow Play. Does that count?

[Raven]

Not really, no. the slow play rule only cares about the pace the duelists are playing at, not what they do. The truth is sadly that people just do excessive stuff because in this game there is too many variables.

Regardless of that though, the only thing slow playing counts is the pace, not at the extra steps taken to finish you off.


edit: this is straight from Konami's tournament regulations for the physical card game, but I don't see how this would change for master duel:

. Slow Play (SP)
This category covers infractions associated with the pace of a Duelist’s game.
• Duelists are expected to play at a reasonable speed, regardless of the complexity of the game situation, and should not waste time.
• Slow Play infractions are always administered a Warning at first, and then upgraded as appropriate if the infraction is repeated.
• Slow play is presumed to be unintentional.
• Intentionally delaying a Game or Match is considered to be Stalling and falls under the
Unsporting Conduct-Cheating infraction.

^So what you should report them for is unsporting conduct. You can report them for cheating, but I am not sure how the report system handles that as I personally have yet to need to use that feature.

[Kane526]

Originally posted by Raven:

Not really, no. the slow play rule only cares about the pace the duelists are playing at, not what they do. The truth is sadly that people just do excessive stuff because in this game there is too many variables.

Regardless of that though, the only thing slow playing counts is the pace, not at the extra steps taken to finish you off.


edit: this is straight from Konami's tournament regulations for the physical card game, but I don't see how this would change for master duel:

. Slow Play (SP)
This category covers infractions associated with the pace of a Duelist’s game.
• Duelists are expected to play at a reasonable speed, regardless of the complexity of the game situation, and should not waste time.
• Slow Play infractions are always administered a Warning at first, and then upgraded as appropriate if the infraction is repeated.
• Slow play is presumed to be unintentional.
• Intentionally delaying a Game or Match is considered to be Stalling and falls under the
Unsporting Conduct-Cheating infraction.

^So what you should report them for is unsporting conduct. You can report them for cheating, but I am not sure how the report system handles that as I personally have yet to need to use that feature.

Sadly, reporting only has options for Slow Play and Cheating. Since it's not technically cheating and they were intentionally dragging out the game, I prompted for Slow Play. It's weird that Unsporting Conduct isn't an option, considering that that is definitely behavior that can upset people and offers nothing of meaning to the game.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Kane526:

Originally posted by Raven:

Not really, no. the slow play rule only cares about the pace the duelists are playing at, not what they do. The truth is sadly that people just do excessive stuff because in this game there is too many variables.

Regardless of that though, the only thing slow playing counts is the pace, not at the extra steps taken to finish you off.


edit: this is straight from Konami's tournament regulations for the physical card game, but I don't see how this would change for master duel:

. Slow Play (SP)
This category covers infractions associated with the pace of a Duelist’s game.
• Duelists are expected to play at a reasonable speed, regardless of the complexity of the game situation, and should not waste time.
• Slow Play infractions are always administered a Warning at first, and then upgraded as appropriate if the infraction is repeated.
• Slow play is presumed to be unintentional.
• Intentionally delaying a Game or Match is considered to be Stalling and falls under the
Unsporting Conduct-Cheating infraction.

^So what you should report them for is unsporting conduct. You can report them for cheating, but I am not sure how the report system handles that as I personally have yet to need to use that feature.

Sadly, reporting only has options for Slow Play and Cheating. Since it's not technically cheating and they were intentionally dragging out the game, I prompted for Slow Play. It's weird that Unsporting Conduct isn't an option, considering that that is definitely behavior that can upset people and offers nothing of meaning to the game.

It's worth noting that according to the konami regulations, what he did does qualify as cheating though, it would be considered stalling if he didn't finish you off when he could have, which would be considered intentional. So your scenario doesn't qualify for slow play but it DOES count as cheating. Wild, isn't?

[Kane526]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by Kane526:

Sadly, reporting only has options for Slow Play and Cheating. Since it's not technically cheating and they were intentionally dragging out the game, I prompted for Slow Play. It's weird that Unsporting Conduct isn't an option, considering that that is definitely behavior that can upset people and offers nothing of meaning to the game.

It's worth noting that according to the konami regulations, what he did does qualify as cheating though, it would be considered stalling if he didn't finish you off when he could have, which would be considered intentional. So your scenario doesn't qualify for slow play but it DOES count as cheating. Wild, isn't?

That is some of the weirdest rulings I've ever read, and I play this freakin card game lmao.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Kane526:

That is some of the weirdest rulings I've ever read, and I play this freakin card game lmao. :DSTskull:

To be fair, the idea of stalling being cheating is under the consideration that it would be to manipulate end of round results and otherwise disrupt the overall tournament, so not sure if that translates to something konami cares about on Master Duel, but it's in their offical regulations which Konami says master duel is supposed to up hold so... *shrug*

[Papa Shekels]

May as well be. Whether they're sitting there for 300 seconds doing nothing or passing on lethal multiple turns in a row, it's somebody maliciously wasting your time, that's slow play to me

[76561199378662608]

Delayed win intentionally = Wasting time = Slow play

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

May as well be. Whether they're sitting there for 300 seconds doing nothing or passing on lethal multiple turns in a row, it's somebody maliciously wasting your time, that's slow play to me

And you'd be wrong.

Also, if you were in an unwinnable situation, you can literally just leave.


Your dailies do not matter.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Kane526:

I just reported a Kashtira player with lethal, an Arise-Heart, 3 Shangs, and had blocked off all my back row and some of my front row. I didn't have anything but i still wanted duel pass points so I just immediately ended my turn. He played a bunch of cards and then instead of killing me with my 100 life points left (he intentionally didn't finish me off last turn either) just immediately went to End Phase. So I reported him for Slow Play. Does that count?

Report for slow play. What els is there to say ? It does not really matter what the official slow play rules say cause they only apply in real life tournements. In MD you report for slowplay if he multiple times refuse to end game when he can with all zones locked.

I have experince this many times with people that refuse to end and keep giving pity turns when I got nothing. Reported them all for slowplay. As long Konami dont add a unsportsman conduct report option then slow play is your way to report.

Then I dont care what other people keep saying about the official rules. If he keep ending turns while he got lehal dmg then its slowplay by MD standarts.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Originally posted by Kane526:

I just reported a Kashtira player with lethal, an Arise-Heart, 3 Shangs, and had blocked off all my back row and some of my front row. I didn't have anything but i still wanted duel pass points so I just immediately ended my turn. He played a bunch of cards and then instead of killing me with my 100 life points left (he intentionally didn't finish me off last turn either) just immediately went to End Phase. So I reported him for Slow Play. Does that count?

Report for slow play. What els is there to say ? It does not really matter what the official slow play rules say cause they only apply in real life tournements. In MD you report for slowplay if he multiple times refuse to end game when he can with all zones locked.

I have experince this many times with people that refuse to end and keep giving pity turns when I got nothing. Reported them all for slowplay. As long Konami dont add a unsportsman conduct report option then slow play is your way to report.

Then I dont care what other people keep saying about the official rules. If he keep ending turns while he got lehal dmg then its slowplay by MD standarts.

I think that's going to be my next feed back to them, I think we should get as many people on board as we can about that (although it would be very small over all) to suggest adding "unsporting conduct" to the reason for reports.

And I know you said that "you don't care" what those regulations say, but what was described and for what most you're reporting isn't slow play, but is actually covered under cheating which is a more severe infraction. You're letting people get off light, when konami itself feels stalling is cheating.

It's also konami themselves that said master duel is supposed to mimic official tournaments in terms of how it functions, its supposed to be *THE* definitive way to play digital yugioh, that translates to real world success.

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Raven:

I think that's going to be my next feed back to them, I think we should get as many people on board as we can about that (although it would be very small over all) to suggest adding "unsporting conduct" to the reason for reports.

I think the reason they avoid doing that is to have ironclad rules set out for what is and isn't acceptable. Even though the konami rules for official tournament play do have specific guidelines and examples for what would and would not count as UC, you just know that if they had that as a report option, they would be getting spammed with reports from boomers for any deck that plays more than 4 cards per turn, or from modern players whenever they see a floodgate. I'm sure you've seen all the arguments of "this card I don't like is toxic so it's poor sportsmanship to play it" and that would just clog up any genuine reports

[Raven]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by Raven:

I think that's going to be my next feed back to them, I think we should get as many people on board as we can about that (although it would be very small over all) to suggest adding "unsporting conduct" to the reason for reports.

I think the reason they avoid doing that is to have ironclad rules set out for what is and isn't acceptable. Even though the konami rules for official tournament play do have specific guidelines and examples for what would and would not count as UC, you just know that if they had that as a report option, they would be getting spammed with reports from boomers for any deck that plays more than 4 cards per turn, or from modern players whenever they see a floodgate. I'm sure you've seen all the arguments of "this card I don't like is toxic so it's poor sportsmanship to play it" and that would just clog up any genuine reports

It's not like I don't understand that, but I can't be sympathetic. Konami really put themselves in that position, better they have to sift through all those reports instead of us on the forums.

Not that I think it would change anything or make it any less here, but at least if Konami sees the mess they created and had to deal with it, especially with their own rules and regulations, the optimist in me would hope they either actively work on a solution or dial things back going forward. (I realize that's not going to happen, but I still prefer it being an option for reports than just all the whining around here, or at least to have konami suffer with us)

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by Raven:

I think that's going to be my next feed back to them, I think we should get as many people on board as we can about that (although it would be very small over all) to suggest adding "unsporting conduct" to the reason for reports.

I think the reason they avoid doing that is to have ironclad rules set out for what is and isn't acceptable. Even though the konami rules for official tournament play do have specific guidelines and examples for what would and would not count as UC, you just know that if they had that as a report option, they would be getting spammed with reports from boomers for any deck that plays more than 4 cards per turn, or from modern players whenever they see a floodgate. I'm sure you've seen all the arguments of "this card I don't like is toxic so it's poor sportsmanship to play it" and that would just clog up any genuine reports

That spam is already happening for the existing report options (both of them, probably) so that isn't really an argument against.

[Konachibi]

If a player has lethal on board, knows you have no interaction to counter him winning, but chooses to either drag out the game, either by ending his turn or doing a long combo to put more stuff on the field and potentially destroy any face-up spells, traps or monsters on your field even though they do nothing, then it is considered slow play, as listed in the rules:

• Duelists are expected to play at a reasonable speed, regardless of the complexity of the game situation, and should not waste time.

Not taking the win as soon as you both know they have it is wasting time, and therefore counts.
The exception would be if you have a face-down card on the field, as it could potentially be a board wipe, magical cylinder, or something that stops him from getting the win, at which point, them doing a combo that allows them to destroy that card just for safety is not slow play.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Konachibi:

If a player has lethal on board, knows you have no interaction to counter him winning, but chooses to either drag out the game, either by ending his turn or doing a long combo to put more stuff on the field and potentially destroy any face-up spells, traps or monsters on your field even though they do nothing, then it is considered slow play, as listed in the rules:

• Duelists are expected to play at a reasonable speed, regardless of the complexity of the game situation, and should not waste time.

Not taking the win as soon as you both know they have it is wasting time, and therefore counts.
The exception would be if you have a face-down card on the field, as it could potentially be a board wipe, magical cylinder, or something that stops him from getting the win, at which point, them doing a combo that allows them to destroy that card just for safety is not slow play.

Similarly, any card in hand can be eg. Battle Fader. Getting a negate on board for that is just common sense.