Why do people complain about Maxx C instead of Ash Blossom?

[Supermaori]

Ash Blossom is basically a spoiler. While Maxx C makes the game more interactive, this card just blocks the progress of the game. Unlike Effect Veiller or Infinite Impermanence, it can stop almost everything while very few cards can counter the negation. Most importantly, Ash isn't stopping the crazy solitaire summoning in many cases, more like it's protecting solitaire players from Maxx C. This card should be banned.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

3 protections / 17 disruptions stfu.
Numbers don't lie.

5 cards in hand. you can't figure out how to play around them. You act like they have 17 in hand at all times. Logic. use it.

[Prokaizer]

Sorry my friend, KONAMI only created Designator and Called By The Grave in order to counter the 17+ handtraps that i've mentioned and yes both of them are limited to 1 and 2.

Simple math what are the odds of having 3/40 in your hand in comparison to potential 17/40?

Go back to school kiddo.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

Sorry my friend, KONAMI only created Designator and Called By The Grave in order to counter the 17+ handtraps that i've mentioned and yes both of them are limited to 1 and 2.

you really can't understand can you? I'd ask you to re-read what I wrote, but I don't think you're going to get it. I'll end it here. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. I think I tried more than enough to help you, its not my business if you can't see where your issue is.

[Prokaizer]

The issue is that the game is broken. Unless you play certain archetypes there are just not enough "tech" cards printed that will help a deck to counterplay.

You like it or not it's facts.

[Filipino Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

3 protections / 17 disruptions stfu.
Numbers don't lie.

tbh its not the games fault you cant play through a single interruption

[Supermaori]

Originally posted by Konachibi:

That's an extreme example, but the fact is, Ash is no different from any other negate your opponent could be using, and most decks will have 'something' that makes you have to rethink your strategy on-the-fly that isn't Ash Blossom. Maxx C on the other hand either forces you to stop running your combo, or try to win that turn before they pull something that can stop you doing it. It's not interactive, it's a 'do or die' card in every instance unless you're playing Trickstar or Mayakashi, in which case, Maxx C is the worst thing they could possibly use.

Wrong. Ash is way different from any other negation your opponent could use because it's hiding in their hand. It's invisible, coming from nowhere to stop something really important. So I say Ash is spoiling the fun. On the other hand Maxx C doesn't force you to stop anything. 'do or die'? Gosh why are people having polarized views.

[Ghost X]

Originally posted by Supermaori:

Originally posted by Konachibi:

That's an extreme example, but the fact is, Ash is no different from any other negate your opponent could be using, and most decks will have 'something' that makes you have to rethink your strategy on-the-fly that isn't Ash Blossom. Maxx C on the other hand either forces you to stop running your combo, or try to win that turn before they pull something that can stop you doing it. It's not interactive, it's a 'do or die' card in every instance unless you're playing Trickstar or Mayakashi, in which case, Maxx C is the worst thing they could possibly use.

Wrong. Ash is way different from any other negation your opponent could use because it's hiding in their hand. It's invisible, coming from nowhere to stop something really important. So I say Ash is spoiling the fun. On the other hand Maxx C doesn't force you to stop anything. 'do or die'? Gosh why are people having polarized views.

Dude, you defend Maxx C because we all know that you either play Stuns or even Floo...

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

There are only 3 cards out of the 20.000 printed yu gi oh cards that i can put in my deck and i MUST have in my starting hand, when there are 17+ cards that my opponent can stick in their deck to counter my plays.

That means i have to play a broken tier 1 deck, because DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES, create more disruptions than protections.

There are however many ways to *interrupt* your plays. You can and should be able to continue playing through one or two of those, maybe even three or four. Each of them only trades with a single interaction and leaves one less card for your opponent to play with. You have a 5-card hand that in many cases should be able to play through being interrupted a few times before it just shuts down and passes on an incomplete board.

Ignoring the fact that you obviously don't know how deck tiering works, playing the victim because your opponent beat you really is just the definition of a skill issue. If you want to make up some arbitrary rules or honor system for yourself where you refuse to use good decks in a competitive environment, you have only yourself to blame if your opponents using better cards get better results than you. If these cards are so overpowered and guarantee a win, why aren't you playing them? Why aren't you playing a 40-card deck full of hand traps? Oh, because then you would be forced to recognize that you're just blowing things out of proportion or using a scapegoat to complain about personal issues instead

[Supermaori]

Originally posted by Ghost X:

Originally posted by Supermaori:

Wrong. Ash is way different from any other negation your opponent could use because it's hiding in their hand. It's invisible, coming from nowhere to stop something really important. So I say Ash is spoiling the fun. On the other hand Maxx C doesn't force you to stop anything. 'do or die'? Gosh why are people having polarized views.

Dude, you defend Maxx C because we all know that you either play Stuns or even Floo...

Don't you see that your "Full combo" decks are the real problem? They make the game and the players really polarized.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Supermaori:

Originally posted by Ghost X:

Dude, you defend Maxx C because we all know that you either play Stuns or even Floo...

Don't you see that your "Full combo" decks are the real problem? They make the game and the players really polarized.

Define "full combo", because there's a massive difference between actual combo decks, mid range decks, etc.

[Terminal Desolation]

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

Good luck playing Assault Mode when all of these crap are unlimited Ash / Veiler / Imperm / Ghost girl + you have to out Called By The Grave / Gamma which are limited at 2 and on top of that you have to pass the Max C game.

you're playing a deck that's been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ since its release in like 2009, why on earth would you expect it to be remotely competitive

[Raven]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

There are only 3 cards out of the 20.000 printed yu gi oh cards that i can put in my deck and i MUST have in my starting hand, when there are 17+ cards that my opponent can stick in their deck to counter my plays.

That means i have to play a broken tier 1 deck, because DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES, create more disruptions than protections.

There are however many ways to *interrupt* your plays. You can and should be able to continue playing through one or two of those, maybe even three or four. Each of them only trades with a single interaction and leaves one less card for your opponent to play with. You have a 5-card hand that in many cases should be able to play through being interrupted a few times before it just shuts down and passes on an incomplete board.

Ignoring the fact that you obviously don't know how deck tiering works, playing the victim because your opponent beat you really is just the definition of a skill issue. If you want to make up some arbitrary rules or honor system for yourself where you refuse to use good decks in a competitive environment, you have only yourself to blame if your opponents using better cards get better results than you. If these cards are so overpowered and guarantee a win, why aren't you playing them? Why aren't you playing a 40-card deck full of hand traps? Oh, because then you would be forced to recognize that you're just blowing things out of proportion or using a scapegoat to complain about personal issues instead

Okay, real talk Papa. How is that you and I are usually in agreement and saying the exact same things, but people like how you say it better? Do I come off as some sort of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or what gives?

[Raven]

Originally posted by Terminal Desolation:

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

Good luck playing Assault Mode when all of these crap are unlimited Ash / Veiler / Imperm / Ghost girl + you have to out Called By The Grave / Gamma which are limited at 2 and on top of that you have to pass the Max C game.

you're playing a deck that's been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ since its release in like 2009, why on earth would you expect it to be remotely competitive

Because he hasn't realized that assault mode has been power crept and is viable as Sky Strikers.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Raven:

Originally posted by Terminal Desolation:

you're playing a deck that's been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ since its release in like 2009, why on earth would you expect it to be remotely competitive

Because he hasn't realized that assault mode has been power crept and is viable as Sky Strikers.

Oy, don't insult Sky Strikers by comparing them to that, Sky Strikers are actually pretty viable as a rogue deck and can take you all the way to Master 1.

Assault Mode can take you to like Platinum 1...maybe.

[Raven]

Originally posted by C.C. しえんのとがひめ:

Originally posted by Raven:

Because he hasn't realized that assault mode has been power crept and is viable as Sky Strikers.

Oy, don't insult Sky Strikers by comparing them to that, Sky Strikers are actually pretty viable as a rogue deck and can take you all the way to Master 1.

Assault Mode can take you to like Platinum 1...maybe.

It's not an insult. It's exactly what I said. Sky strikers is assault mode re-skinned and upgraded to be viable in today's play.

edit: anyone complaining about how their "old school" decks don't work, either needs to look at the additional support that's been released OR look at the newer archetypes which are a bunch of older ones used and reskinned to follow same sort of theme but be viable in today's format