Bronze IV scrubs are playing Kashtira+tearlaments

[Taweret]

yeah, dead game

btw so much ressentiment with clown emotes, toxic fanbois

[Silyon]

More like proof that the game's generous enough to let you build a top-end competitive deck out of the gate rather than the powercrept, decades-old piles most newbies end up building for themselves.

You have just as much ability to play anything you're playing against. Desire to play it is another conversation.

[Taweret]

except these "new" players had pets from previous battle-passes and frames, no new players at all.

generous? is that sarcasm? from events gems + bottom rookie ranks up gems i bought like 50 packs, and guess what? no single card for a deck i was building even though the packs had all the cards i needed - swordsoul, 5 UR cards, can you imagine it, 50 freaking packs and no single UR card for a deck the box archetype is for, that's almost scam.
very very stingy game when it comes to cards is much easier to build competitive deck in hearthstone or mtg than this crap from my experience.

also imagine being returning/new player you are not going to play anything outside of single player, you are going to be steamrolled by these 3 max c/ash optimised bots in low ranks.

[76561199378662608]

Counter them with Missus Radiant deck, master rank 1 guaranteed.

[TormentedSalad]

If they are scrubs you should have no trouble beating them

[Sex Master]

People will play good decks regardless of there rank. If you play a bad deck that is your choice.

[Astrallight]

Remember when everyone was camping in gold with Runic and Branded when they were new ? Nothing has changed today about that. People are still camping in low ranks with meta decks but now the system actually tries to make them climb.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Taweret:

except these "new" players had pets from previous battle-passes and frames, no new players at all.

generous? is that sarcasm? from events gems + bottom rookie ranks up gems i bought like 50 packs, and guess what? no single card for a deck i was building even though the packs had all the cards i needed - swordsoul, 5 UR cards, can you imagine it, 50 freaking packs and no single UR card for a deck the box archetype is for, that's almost scam.
very very stingy game when it comes to cards is much easier to build competitive deck in hearthstone or mtg than this crap from my experience.

also imagine being returning/new player you are not going to play anything outside of single player, you are going to be steamrolled by these 3 max c/ash optimised bots in low ranks.

This game is incredibly generous you can craft anything at the start of the game. Beyond that you are given a pull a day free from the dailies. Not counting rank up gems.

Then you can dismantle anything you do not want. I have Mikanko, Labrynth, Traptrix, Tearlament, Orcust, Adventure, Runick, Spright, Sky Strikers, Icejade, Bystial/Branded and Exosister.

Those are my current decks/engines. You can play any deck in this game. The price of that depends on you. It can be free or not. I have mine free.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3039509035
Look how many UR's this has and yet i still have it and everything else i have. It's extremely generous.

[Knud den Store 🧙‍♂]

konami is well aware the game is a big ole stinking buttocks and konami master duel team members have had staplers thrown at them by the executives at Konami because they themselves know everything from 2017 onward has been a massive mistake.

[Silyon]

Originally posted by Taweret:

except these "new" players had pets from previous battle-passes and frames, no new players at all.

Not the point I was making, not in the least. I don't know or care who you were up against, my point is that you can build a clone of whatever deck you want to complain about really easily with the starter "onboarding" gems, special deals, and packs. If you wasted them on some garbage you didn't need, that's on you. Not the game.

Originally posted by Taweret:

generous? is that sarcasm? from events gems + bottom rookie ranks up gems i bought like 50 packs, and guess what? no single card for a deck i was building even though the packs had all the cards i needed - swordsoul, 5 UR cards, can you imagine it, 50 freaking packs and no single UR card for a deck the box archetype is for, that's almost scam.
very very stingy game when it comes to cards is much easier to build competitive deck in hearthstone or mtg than this crap from my experience.

Yes, MD is generous. Especially if you're comming from the TCG or one of the many YGOpro simulators and have any idea at all of what the game's like to begin with. Contrast the cost of packs and the rate of getting high-rarity cards with it's competitors like MTG Arena, and you're a fool to claim MD isn't generous as hell. Hell, you bought 50 packs out of the gate with your starting gems! Know how long that would take a F2P person on MTG Arena to get? Months, no question.

I suspect you ended up buying a bunch of the "Master Pack" set, which is the newbie trap option. You are much better off buying one of the starter decks in triple, like the Blackwings one or the newer Ninja one, mashing the best cards from them together, and then using your crafting points to get staple cards like Infinate Imperm, Ash Blossem, or Lightning Storm. This is basic advice everyone gives to new players wondering how to spend their gems, it is not difficult to look up.

Originally posted by Taweret:

also imagine being returning/new player you are not going to play anything outside of single player, you are going to be steamrolled by these 3 max c/ash optimised bots in low ranks.

This is modern YGO, and even the most jaded veterans are sick of the direction the game's been going in and have started to hate it. The new player onboarding process has been absurd for years, worst of any TCG. Legitimately, if you don't have a tutor or are putting in time to study the game like you're preparing for college exams, then yes you're going to lose a lot and it's going to be unfair-feeling blowouts compared to the people that have put in that time or sought help. It is not a game anyone can reasonably jump into and pick up on the fly.

This is Yugioh's problem. Not Master Duel's directly, in fact MD is kinda easy mode because you're not expected to remember the 50+ mandatory lingering effects and triggers in order to actually play without "cheating".

[¿¡Kloey!?²]

Originally posted by Taweret:

also imagine being returning/new player you are not going to play anything outside of single player, you are going to be steamrolled by these 3 max c/ash optimised bots in low ranks.

Throwing my own skepticism in the mix, mayhaps they are returning players who are interested in the format or decided to come back due to some outside force. It's also possible that they are alts designed for people to deck test at earlier ranks (which I doubt since we have a casual matchmaking.) Who knows why people are playing decks you are allergic to, does it particularly matter? This is the equivalent of complaining someone going to a casual small town locals to play the new best deck that people are playing competitively, or complaining that someone in bronze is using a high win rate champion in league of legends or something. It is not illegal to play what you want.

My question is what are you doing in bronze/silver to be playing against these 'bronze scrubs' and what's stopping you from playing the game? Cause if you are a "scrub" then playing against decks like those might teach you how to play against them or better. If you are returning, welcome to the current format of Yugioh where in ANY game you can get an idea of what's the best and the strategies they use. If you purposely surrender to stay in low ladder what's stopping you from just surrendering that one? There's no argument you can truly make to justify judging someone based on what they play and their skills level for playing it. If it's a smurf than unfortunately that's not a game problem, that's that person's problem that they are afraid to challenge themselves against potentially better people or better decks and that's something present in very many games. In the ladder that low, losing means very little but I won't sit here and say that it may be irritating, especially for newer people from the lackluster barebone guide we call the tutorial for this game only to dive into the 'current state's which is another separate issue.

[Taweret]

Originally posted by Silyon:

Originally posted by Taweret:

except these "new" players had pets from previous battle-passes and frames, no new players at all.

Not the point I was making, not in the least. I don't know or care who you were up against, my point is that you can build a clone of whatever deck you want to complain about really easily with the starter "onboarding" gems, special deals, and packs. If you wasted them on some garbage you didn't need, that's on you. Not the game.

Originally posted by Taweret:

generous? is that sarcasm? from events gems + bottom rookie ranks up gems i bought like 50 packs, and guess what? no single card for a deck i was building even though the packs had all the cards i needed - swordsoul, 5 UR cards, can you imagine it, 50 freaking packs and no single UR card for a deck the box archetype is for, that's almost scam.
very very stingy game when it comes to cards is much easier to build competitive deck in hearthstone or mtg than this crap from my experience.

Yes, MD is generous. Especially if you're comming from the TCG or one of the many YGOpro simulators and have any idea at all of what the game's like to begin with. Contrast the cost of packs and the rate of getting high-rarity cards with it's competitors like MTG Arena, and you're a fool to claim MD isn't generous as hell. Hell, you bought 50 packs out of the gate with your starting gems! Know how long that would take a F2P person on MTG Arena to get? Months, no question.

I suspect you ended up buying a bunch of the "Master Pack" set, which is the newbie trap option. You are much better off buying one of the starter decks in triple, like the Blackwings one or the newer Ninja one, mashing the best cards from them together, and then using your crafting points to get staple cards like Infinate Imperm, Ash Blossem, or Lightning Storm. This is basic advice everyone gives to new players wondering how to spend their gems, it is not difficult to look up.

Originally posted by Taweret:

also imagine being returning/new player you are not going to play anything outside of single player, you are going to be steamrolled by these 3 max c/ash optimised bots in low ranks.

This is modern YGO, and even the most jaded veterans are sick of the direction the game's been going in and have started to hate it. The new player onboarding process has been absurd for years, worst of any TCG. Legitimately, if you don't have a tutor or are putting in time to study the game like you're preparing for college exams, then yes you're going to lose a lot and it's going to be unfair-feeling blowouts compared to the people that have put in that time or sought help. It is not a game anyone can reasonably jump into and pick up on the fly.

This is Yugioh's problem. Not Master Duel's directly, in fact MD is kinda easy mode because you're not expected to remember the 50+ mandatory lingering effects and triggers in order to actually play without "cheating".

". If you wasted them on some garbage you didn't need, that's on you. Not the game."
except i dont wasted them on anything, i returned to the game and half of my cards are banned and dismantle gives me pathetic 10 cp, even though i paid 30 per every card to craft them, they treat returning players like trash.

returning player in hearthstone? you get fully functional deck that can be dismantled for crafting materials, as returning player i hearthstone i received pure paladin deck that is tier deck capable of top ranks, here i got screwed up. that's the "generosity" of this game.

"If you purposely surrender to stay in low ladder what's stopping you from just surrendering that one?"
i dont think its even possible since i rank up for 1 win, nor i dont see apoint staying low when you dont get rewards

"If they are scrubs you should have no trouble beating them"
they are scrubs because they think they are something else when playing fully optimised tier decks in freaking bronze IV, this is not place for them.

"If you play a bad deck that is your choice."
without newest cards can i play good deck? well no

frustrating.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Taweret:

except these "new" players had pets from previous battle-passes and frames, no new players at all.

generous? is that sarcasm? from events gems + bottom rookie ranks up gems i bought like 50 packs, and guess what? no single card for a deck i was building even though the packs had all the cards i needed - swordsoul, 5 UR cards, can you imagine it, 50 freaking packs and no single UR card for a deck the box archetype is for, that's almost scam.
very very stingy game when it comes to cards is much easier to build competitive deck in hearthstone or mtg than this crap from my experience.

also imagine being returning/new player you are not going to play anything outside of single player, you are going to be steamrolled by these 3 max c/ash optimised bots in low ranks.

This is probably because the game de-ranks you every season so if someone jumps in after a bit of inactivity, they'll be bronze and you'll get stomped.

You think people enjoy it when they have to fight my Runick Archlord deck in bronze? Probably not but whenever I decide to give this trash panda game another chance, that's exactly what happens for a few games: completely unfair, 1 sided slams where my opponent can't do anything, getting milled out in 2-3 turns while they can't do anything too.

[Prokaizer]

Funny thing is people copy paste tier 0/1 decks and they still lose to tier 10 decks.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

Funny thing is people copy paste tier 0/1 decks and they still lose to tier 10 decks.

If you couldn't lose it wouldn't be much of a card game.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Prokaizer:

Funny thing is people copy paste tier 0/1 decks and they still lose to tier 10 decks.

Thats the con of net decking. You cant just pick a deck someone won with in a tournement and then think your wins will come raining down without knowing how to play the deck.

5 grade duelist with a 1 grade deck.