Special Summoning needs to be restricted.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Except that's been tried, it's called Master Rule 4. And you, who want SS to be limited in some way, hated it.

[Astrallight]

And what you gonna do about decks that can make a good board in under 5 summons like Sword Soul ?

[Soup]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

And what you gonna do about decks that can make a good board in under 5 summons like Sword Soul ?

Aye dont worry I think he means that limiting ss isn't a very good idea, probably just calling out people who have had this opinion before

[Daguza]

MR4 was bad because it made SS from EX deck have to summon to a zone a link arrow points too. Not cuz limit to SS just more due to restriction link arrow... Game could definitely use a limit to SS tho jus not like that.

[Kane526]

Are we just going to forget one of the best decks right now can summon it's best monster in just 2 special summons? The reason these restriction don't work and end up backfiring like MR4 is because they hurt 90% of decks, even ♥♥♥♥ ones, while barely changing anything.

[Filipino Enjoyer]

mr4 was a joke of a mr tbh

[Sov]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Except that's been tried, it's called Master Rule 4. And you, who want SS to be limited in some way, hated it.

To be honest, Master Rule 4 was never implemented properly and was half-assed from the start.

Sure it limited extra deck summons but Konami printed a bunch of generic link cards for more money which completely undermined the intention of slowing the game down.

I think Master Rule 4 was basically a scam... it was a sad attempt to get back all the players that YGO lost when they speed of the game increased and basically lying to your customers "Oh... the game will be slower and more balanced now", while getting people to buy Link monsters because nobody would have played them without that format change.

It was a scam, pure and simple really. How many links were combo extenders... A LOT of them.

Look at Pendulums... they wanted to limit their recycle ability through the extra deck... fine... then DON'T GIVE THEM ELECTRUMITE... a basic staple of EVERY pendulum deck ever... and now we have "Beyond the Pendulum", another broken Link monster exclusively for Pendulums and I say that as an Odd-Eyes player.

Basically trying to gouge customers for extra money because the whales are not bringing in as much as Konami wants nowadays. But that's just my opinion... there is too much compensation in the game now, too many "If this monster is destroyed".

If they had implemented Master Rule 4, without trying to compensate people, the game would have slowed down and would be a lot more balanced.

That's when I lost faith in Konami... it was obvious lying through their teeth and rampant profiteering and people lapped it up and even thanked them for it.

[Astrallight]

Meanwhile Endymion got Chicken Game at 3.

[SadPlatty©]

Feel like limiting Special Summons with a rule at this point is just the wrong way to go though. Some decks get hit as you might desire, but other decks that special summon less but bigger is just going to then become the new problem. Especially as your asking to gimp some random decks possibly that need a lot of special summons that are not all boss monsters (think Paleo/trap monsters that are all special summons).

The correct answer is for Konami to not print "special summon" as an ability so much that each tribe has like 5 "special summon X from your Y deck (or hand)".

That or print less generic ♥♥♥♥ like Barrone who is basically one of the "Your a massive idiot for not having at least 1" card (even though I don't - I use Draco).

Otherwise - as someone who came back this year from Duel Links 2 years ago (played for 5 or so years), and TCG as a kid, it just feels like tribes have absolutely no value beyond pictures being similar amoungst the related cards. They all do the same things (banish, counter, special summon, protect from effects), it's just the color of the border that changes (Purrly does alot of XYZ so Black border, Kash/Branded/BEWD is Purple, Beetrooper is Blue, etc.)

Makes me wish I could go back to when Mask Change was first dropped and everybody just built Anki combat-changer decks. Hated them then, but if only I knew what I did now, those where child's play to take out.


TL:DR - It's not the special summoning itself that's the problem I think, it's Konami's inability to come up with original ideas for tribes and just adding it as flair to all of them now making it feel tired.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

And what you gonna do about decks that can make a good board in under 5 summons like Sword Soul ?

To my surprise, Swordsoul fell out of favour faster than Branded.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Except that's been tried, it's called Master Rule 4. And you, who want SS to be limited in some way, hated it.

The complainers are different people in these two cases. That said, the MR4 debacle did indeed prove that the people who would complain about a special summon limit or other resource system are far more numerous than the people currently complaining.