Floodgates require skill, combo decks dont. (rant)

[Lazer]

So after struggling with Labrynth and consuming countless time in order to progress I switched to my favorite antimeta combo deck, Floowandereeze. And in just two days I finished the Duelist Cup Max level and got into Diamond 1 from Diamond 4. I played zero floodgates in floo, because they suck if you go second, DD crow is searchable with Robina if you amass two you simple win the arms race against Tearlments. Sales Ban is good as always to call out the only trap card these combo players ever played in their life, and when going second anything you want. Much better cards than Fissure. Barrier Statue what was that again?
Its so easy like every braindead combo deck, search this, summon this. There is no variables or long games that requires to counter the entire deck and all its options. Extra Deck combo decks require even less skill than Floowandereeze 'oh your combo got handtrap just summon verte instead, Extra deck this to counter x'.

Its not even that Labynrth couldnt do the same but my god the time consumption and skill it takes to win under floodgates and making them run of Gas. Everyone who says monkey flip is a total moron and has zero understanding of the game. Go ahead buddy play a floodgate deck and archive the same I did in less than two days. The only floodgate deck that could win a lot of games fast was Runick, because they have an alternative winning condition and dont need monsters to win. But of course we lost all the floodgates because of this deck thats all what has Komoney ever done to adress the balance for Bo1. Naturia exterior, Spright elf cant be banned right? Or bagooska and Zeus? But Harpies Feather Duster is still in the game when there are almost no floodgates left?

Literally anything Master Duel does is only benefiting combo decks, the fact that we have a rank reset every month and some stupid event is proof of that. Who has time for all of that playing a slower trap deck? Or you know just any weaker deck in the meta like your Heroes just for ladder being reset again?
And good luck with having a higher place in the duelist cup with a trap deck, when its all about amassing alot of wins instead of having a high win rate.
Yeah good job Konami keep doing what you do and lose more players.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

*sigh*

KFC is a control deck, not a combo deck.

And if you aren't playing Floodgates in it, then I sure hope you aren't playing the walking floodgate himself, Empem, or are you a hypocrite?

[Filipino Enjoyer]

i dunno man, being able to actually interact with a combo deck with handtraps is more fun to me than drawing lightning storm/duster or bust or get lucky with cosmic

combo > floodgate

[Lazer]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

*sigh*

KFC is a control deck, not a combo deck.

And if you aren't playing Floodgates in it, then I sure hope you aren't playing the walking floodgate himself, Empem, or are you a hypocrite?

How the hell is Empen a floodgate in the Tealament meta? Special summon in defense mode. Floo is an Anti meta combo deck.

[Filipino Enjoyer]

oh and not to mention that combo decks actually need to know how to play through disruption but people never understand that anyway /shrug/

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Lazer:

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

*sigh*

KFC is a control deck, not a combo deck.

And if you aren't playing Floodgates in it, then I sure hope you aren't playing the walking floodgate himself, Empem, or are you a hypocrite?

How the hell is Empen a floodgate in the Tealament meta? Special summon in defense mode. Floo is an Anti meta combo deck.

By your logic, Anti-Spell Fragrance or Dimension Barrier aren't floodgates either, right?

And no, KFC is less of a combo deck than Sky Striker is.

Control decks =/= Floodgate.deck, Floodgate.dek = Stun decks

[HeraldOfOpera]

Here's the thing you seem to be missing: Drytron Herald was an aberration, and if we never see it's ilk again it'll be too soon. The combo decks that actually deserve to exist cannot simply negate literally every card in a playable hand. They have to save their interaction for an actual chokepoint, or their opponent will most likely just extend past it and get to the magic 8k number that ends the game.

For the sort of person who tries to Ash Dangers, floodgates will function much more consistently. And we all know that person exists.

[ChaosBahamut]

Originally posted by Lazer:

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

*sigh*

KFC is a control deck, not a combo deck.

And if you aren't playing Floodgates in it, then I sure hope you aren't playing the walking floodgate himself, Empem, or are you a hypocrite?

How the hell is Empen a floodgate in the Tealament meta? Special summon in defense mode.

And that's why I splashed in Final Attack Orders.

[Yerc2]

There is very little skill or thought required in setting up boards in general in this current meta. It's usually just following the same pattern to hit the same win condition or lock your opponent out each duel.
Requiring more clicks doesn't make decks any more complex or harder to play.

That's why meta decks revolve around using control effects to stop their opponent from playing cards to fight back. It's simple, it's easy, and it prevents the need for adaptive play.

Floodgates aren't really any better in terms of skill or thought required.
But usually, they're more vulnerable, and the counterplay to them is more plentiful. So they're not as bad to play against.
Not to mention how they don't engage in as much Slow Play.

Due to the powercreep that has been going on, where duels are usually over by turn 3, with one person being unable to play-
Adaptive play, risk management, and interactive gameplay has kind of dwindled in this game. Those are the type of things that I believe could require skill or knowledge.

Giving people more chance to draw outs, and creating back-and-forth gameplay is a good thing, IMO.
Spending 10 minutes playing a game taking multiple turns is just more fun than spending 10 minutes watching your opponent play solitaire during one turn~

[Papa Shekels]

Playing a floodgate/control deck requires different skills than combo decks. Both have a certain level of skill at the deck building level playing around the deck's strengths. Using your example of floo, empen forces the opponent to summon into defense position until they can out it, so the logical way to build the deck is to have ways to either protect the empen or to get rid of threats before your opponent can use them with unexplored winds or something. Many people use shifter or dimensional fissure for that exact reason, because it makes many decks unable to reach a board state where they can clear the empen and push for any kind of advantage. Combo decks need to be able to play through disruption and have outs for different problems, so they are often packed with extenders and board clearing tools. Within the actual duel, both have different amounts of resources to deal with and need to need to bait out disruptions differently. You need to know your matchup and which card to save the ash for, or whether to immediately shotgun a floodgate or wait until a certain point in an opponent's combo. Saying that either of them requires no skill is just ignorant

[ChaosBahamut]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Using your example of floo, empen forces the opponent to summon into defense position until they can out it, so the logical way to build the deck is to have ways to either protect the empen or to get rid of threats before your opponent can use them with unexplored winds or something.

Making it so that having a monster in defense position is flat-out not an option will also work.

[TormentedSalad]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Originally posted by Lazer:

How the hell is Empen a floodgate in the Tealament meta? Special summon in defense mode. Floo is an Anti meta combo deck.

By your logic, Anti-Spell Fragrance or Dimension Barrier aren't floodgates either, right?

And no, KFC is less of a combo deck than Sky Striker is.

Control decks =/= Floodgate.deck, Floodgate.dek = Stun decks

Sky striker do more than set 5 trap cards combo deck located I think you've forgotten who your talking to

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by TormentedSalad:

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

By your logic, Anti-Spell Fragrance or Dimension Barrier aren't floodgates either, right?

And no, KFC is less of a combo deck than Sky Striker is.

Control decks =/= Floodgate.deck, Floodgate.dek = Stun decks

Sky striker do more than set 5 trap cards combo deck located I think you've forgotten who your talking to

Ah right, unless it sets 5 pass and relies on floodgates, it's not a control deck in this guy's mind.

[Kaulu]

I love reading these threads. You complain about what you view as degenerate decks, and then play a degenerate deck yourself. People who play slower decks do so because they find it fun, accepting that it will take longer to climb the ladder. If you simply want to win, and win fast, play the copy/paste deck of the month. If you wanna have fun playing something else, do so. Complaining every month about how the game isn't exactly how you want will never solve anything.

On a side note, I'm making a ghoti/spright deck. All I need left is the field spell. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

[Akemua]

Originally posted by Kaulu:

I love reading these threads. You complain about what you view as degenerate decks, and then play a degenerate deck yourself. People who play slower decks do so because they find it fun, accepting that it will take longer to climb the ladder. If you simply want to win, and win fast, play the copy/paste deck of the month. If you wanna have fun playing something else, do so. Complaining every month about how the game isn't exactly how you want will never solve anything.

On a side note, I'm making a ghoti/spright deck. All I need left is the field spell. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

Regardless of everything, the one thing that's always blown my mind, is how people will literally spend months and YEARS on a forum for a game they either hate, or currently don't play/not enjoying and play infrequently. I cannot fathom being so unhappy all the time, that spending any time on a forum for something I no longer enjoy, makes sense.

Especially when on top of that, no amount of debates/complaining on most Steam game forums changes anything for the game.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Akemua:

Originally posted by Kaulu:

I love reading these threads. You complain about what you view as degenerate decks, and then play a degenerate deck yourself. People who play slower decks do so because they find it fun, accepting that it will take longer to climb the ladder. If you simply want to win, and win fast, play the copy/paste deck of the month. If you wanna have fun playing something else, do so. Complaining every month about how the game isn't exactly how you want will never solve anything.

On a side note, I'm making a ghoti/spright deck. All I need left is the field spell. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

Regardless of everything, the one thing that's always blown my mind, is how people will literally spend months and YEARS on a forum for a game they either hate, or currently don't play/not enjoying and play infrequently. I cannot fathom being so unhappy all the time, that spending any time on a forum for something I no longer enjoy, makes sense.

Especially when on top of that, no amount of debates/complaining on most Steam game forums changes anything for the game.

Easy there, you'll get the "stop complaining about people complaining" squad after you XD