wasted time

[Candarian]

just thinking how many hours player wasting in this game is horrifying
lets say a player invested 100 hours in this game by playing
and lets say half of them are lost games
than they played for 50 hours getting nothing as reward
and now count that up not for just 1 player but all player
this waste of time in this game is terrifying

[Papa Shekels]

You do know there's nothing forcing you to play the game, right? If you consider it wasted time unless you're getting rewards, you're never going to be satisfied with a game like this

[HeraldOfOpera]

Papa Shekels님이 먼저 게시:

You do know there's nothing forcing you to play the game, right? If you consider it wasted time unless you're getting rewards, you're never going to be satisfied with a game like this

Oh yeah, it's worth repeating that this is an F2P game which requires hours of play to earn anything after the glorified tutorial that is Solo Mode has been completed. And that's assuming you can actually win with any consistency.

[Papa Smurf]

HeraldOfOpera님이 먼저 게시:

Papa Shekels님이 먼저 게시:

You do know there's nothing forcing you to play the game, right? If you consider it wasted time unless you're getting rewards, you're never going to be satisfied with a game like this

Oh yeah, it's worth repeating that this is an F2P game which requires hours of play to earn anything after the glorified tutorial that is Solo Mode has been completed. And that's assuming you can actually win with any consistency.

Eh, only takes about 20 minutes a day to finish your dailies.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Papa Smurf님이 먼저 게시:

HeraldOfOpera님이 먼저 게시:

Oh yeah, it's worth repeating that this is an F2P game which requires hours of play to earn anything after the glorified tutorial that is Solo Mode has been completed. And that's assuming you can actually win with any consistency.

Eh, only takes about 20 minutes a day to finish your dailies.

And how many days of that before you can buy the 10-pack that is the only thing worth buying? I rest my case.

[Astrallight]

Papa Smurf님이 먼저 게시:

HeraldOfOpera님이 먼저 게시:

Oh yeah, it's worth repeating that this is an F2P game which requires hours of play to earn anything after the glorified tutorial that is Solo Mode has been completed. And that's assuming you can actually win with any consistency.

Eh, only takes about 20 minutes a day to finish your dailies.

And it takes a whole month to get what a whale can get in 5 sec. And outside of daily quests you get no gems unless you win and even that only gives about 5-20 gems 50 if you are very lucky. So gems will in the end end up being a huge grind for F2P players while whales can buy everything they need within days.

The game is build to be predatory and force you to spend money if you want some stuff quickly instead of waiting 6 months before you got enough gems just to complete one deck cause most decks has 5-6 UR you need to make it work excluding the extra deck which can pull it up to 10+ UR's just for one deck.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Astrallight님이 먼저 게시:

Papa Smurf님이 먼저 게시:

Eh, only takes about 20 minutes a day to finish your dailies.

And it takes a whole month to get what a whale can get in 5 sec. And outside of daily quests you get no gems unless you win and even that only gives about 5-20 gems 50 if you are very lucky. So gems will in the end end up being a huge grind for F2P players while whales can buy everything they need within days.

The game is build to be predatory and force you to spend money if you want some stuff quickly instead of waiting 6 months before you got enough gems just to complete one deck cause most decks has 5-6 UR you need to make it work excluding the extra deck which can pull it up to 10+ UR's just for one deck.

To be fair, a lot of those Extra Deck URs are generic. Something like Accesscode you'll buy once and then have it keep putting in work until and unless it gets banned (like Halq did).

[Papa Smurf]

HeraldOfOpera님이 먼저 게시:

Papa Smurf님이 먼저 게시:

Eh, only takes about 20 minutes a day to finish your dailies.

And how many days of that before you can buy the 10-pack that is the only thing worth buying? I rest my case.

About 4 or 5 days if you add in the 100 gems a day from ranked rewards. With events we get around 9k gems per month, or 90 packs - not including gems or materials from the duel pass. Honestly that's not too bad, it's like a new deck a month for free, and it requires minimal effort.

What ccg does it better?

[phantomproductionset]

That's because idiots design games these days to be time sinks to make money instead of being fun to make happy players.

Think how less toxic the game would be without gems, & better for everyone's mental health.

Just paying 60$ for base game & another 30 every year for next years Cards as DLC but the cards are released the same as now but you can't get them only play against them until you buy the DLC, after the first year the base game drops to 30$ to make it 60$ with DLC, then year 2 the base game is 15$ the last year dlc is 15$ & this year's is 30$ for another 60$ total, & so on, making the game a entry stable price, & you can still add cosmetics to buy, & just farm victories for card pulls from any pack any time instead of gems unlocked behind time gates.

[Yerc2]

It really sucks how you can enter duels where you don't have the opportunity to play or gain any rewards/mission progress.
Not only are those kind of duels useless to the player in terms of progression, they're also not fun.

Is this an issue of people not getting stronger or rewarded from some matches they play?
Or is this an overall issue of the fun(or lack the of) in the gameplay?

I could go either way TBH. I would be happy with:
Fun duels where I get stuff.
Fun duels where I get nothing,
Unfun duels where I still get some kind of progression.

Not having either fun or progression just because I lost a coin flip against a meta deck is lame. Could always surrender on the first turn though.

[Kane526]

abkorman님이 먼저 게시:

Kane526님이 먼저 게시:

Wrong. You get rewards even when you lose so long as you do not surrender. The game even tells you this when explaining missions and event missions. If you surrender, nothing you did will count, but if you perform 3 special summons, that will count towards special summon missions, even if that game was a loss. The only missions you do not complete are the ones that say "Win a Duel".

You don't get your mission rewards when everything you do is negated including summon. Better to take people's advice to surrender if you get nothing and opponent take long time to finish you.

Actually they do count. The only time something like a summon or activation doesn't count is if the card never hits the board, which is rare. If you summon a monster and it gets immediately blown up it still counts. If you activate a spell and it gets negated, it still counts as playing a spell. Only when something like a special summon from the deck getting Ash blossom'd will it not count.

[Kane526]

HeraldOfOpera님이 먼저 게시:

Papa Smurf님이 먼저 게시:

Eh, only takes about 20 minutes a day to finish your dailies.

And how many days of that before you can buy the 10-pack that is the only thing worth buying? I rest my case.

Well you can earn about 140 Gems a day, so about a week. If you rank up (which in bronze and silver is super likely) you get another 100-200, so less than a week really. About 40 packs a month if you low ball it, and do not include the gems you earn from events.

[Kane526]

Astrallight님이 먼저 게시:

Papa Smurf님이 먼저 게시:

Eh, only takes about 20 minutes a day to finish your dailies.

And it takes a whole month to get what a whale can get in 5 sec. And outside of daily quests you get no gems unless you win and even that only gives about 5-20 gems 50 if you are very lucky. So gems will in the end end up being a huge grind for F2P players while whales can buy everything they need within days.

The game is build to be predatory and force you to spend money if you want some stuff quickly instead of waiting 6 months before you got enough gems just to complete one deck cause most decks has 5-6 UR you need to make it work excluding the extra deck which can pull it up to 10+ UR's just for one deck.

Whaling in this game is terribly, horribly, disgustingly inefficient. Let me spit some numbers at you. The Average cost of a viable deck is about 6k-8k. This can be achieved in roughly one month. Doing dailies every day for less than 30 minutes a day will earn you about 4200 Gems in a 30-day month. Events will give you about 3k more. Assuming you only rank up a little because you lose all the time, you can still get 600+ gems just by bumming around in Bronze/Silver. That's almost 8k right there. A whole as deck in a month. Assuming you take all the URs, that average to 12 URs for 8k Gems, or 4 URs of whatever you desire if you scrap them all, this math does not include the Duel Pass. Do you know how much a single pack of virtual cards cost? Nearly $2 a pack. If you buy the largest gem package it is closer to $1 but still not that great. Let's simplify it and say 100 Gems is $1.50. Now I don't know about you, but Im not blowing $120 on fake cards when I can just play the game for 10-15 hours and earn that many gems.

[Papa Shekels]

Kane526님이 먼저 게시:

Whaling in this game is terribly, horribly, disgustingly inefficient. Let me spit some numbers at you. The Average cost of a viable deck is about 6k-8k. This can be achieved in roughly one month. Doing dailies every day for less than 30 minutes a day will earn you about 4200 Gems in a 30-day month.

Well, in that same sense, that's 10-15 hours versus something most people can afford with 2-4 hours of working a job. Then again, if people are grinding this for gems and viewing that as a job rather than just playing the game because it's a game and getting the free gems alongside it, they're already on the losing end no matter what math you do

[Merilirem]

Its a video game. We don't measure the value of our enjoyment by how many gems we get. If we did we would all just work regular jobs and buy gems. I play, win or lose because I enjoy the game. It is fun which is the point.

People focusing on rewards have completely missed the point of playing games.

[Kane526]

Papa Shekels님이 먼저 게시:

Kane526님이 먼저 게시:

Whaling in this game is terribly, horribly, disgustingly inefficient. Let me spit some numbers at you. The Average cost of a viable deck is about 6k-8k. This can be achieved in roughly one month. Doing dailies every day for less than 30 minutes a day will earn you about 4200 Gems in a 30-day month.

Well, in that same sense, that's 10-15 hours versus something most people can afford with 2-4 hours of working a job. Then again, if people are grinding this for gems and viewing that as a job rather than just playing the game because it's a game and getting the free gems alongside it, they're already on the losing end no matter what math you do

I personally don't view it as a job, I'm merely explaining that the game is pretty F2P friendly and not very predatory like the above comment claimed.