I don't agree with modern Yugioh

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I think Master Duel as a platform is great and the f2p experience is very decent so this is not really a complain about the app but the game this app is representing which is Yugioh.

But overall the issues I have as a returning Yugioh player is:

• The game has become solitaire, the first thing you will notice is that it takes ages for the opponent to end their turn
  
• The rules about not being able to summon more than one monster may aswell just not exist anymore because you can litterally summon an horde of monsters and this is really not an specialized deck situation no, most decks work like that now
  
• Handtraps are broken and should not exist in the game, same as with the previous point, what is the point of having dedicated spell/trap cards zones when you can now disturb the player from your hand without the risk of your card being destroyed on the field?
  
• You can now constantly interrupt your opponent even from his own turn and from your hand
  
• Cards that look like bibles with tons of effects and little time to see what is happening
  
• This point is actually a complain with MD itself: why do you put an insta losing if you run out of time?, why not just give the turn to the opponent like any other card game, its like the developers of this game don't realize that Yugioh has tons of effects and stuff you need to read on top of the thinking you have to do and they decided it was a good idea to punish you with an insta loss if you run out of time?, its ridiculous.
  
• Remember I said your opponent can interrupt you in your own turn? well they can also basically play an entire turn on your own turn, its beyond ridiculous
  
• The powercreep is through the roof seriously the amount of ways that decks this days can get a one turn kill or very fast wins is insane, cards have way too much effects, too much protection, too much removal, too much special summon, too much of everything.
  
• Remember when black hole and raigeki were considered broken and even banned? well now you have ♥♥♥♥ like: " Divine Arsenal AA-ZEUS- Sky Thunder" (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ name) that can do something even worse and its considered fine.
  
  Modern Yugioh feels like you were in a boxing match and instead of trading blows back and forward untill someone wins is as if the boxers had a Rope and handcufs and tried their best to tie the other one first and then when one of them is completely tied then now proceeds to ♥♥♥♥ him up and win. Its some coward stuff seriously.
  
  I just don't feel the same satisfaction of playing when I played the old DS WC games or even old IRL Yugioh, I feel like the game just changed too much and made it just not fun anymore, no wonder many people prefer other card games even if they lack the complexity of Yugioh they are fun at least and old Yugioh was complex and it didn't needed all of this new stuff that I listed.
  
  Honestly modern Yugioh is for cowards that don't want a real fight, you just want to opress your opponent and tie his hands as much as you can so he doesn't have a chance and you have 99% chances of not suffer any retaliation.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

During OG Chaos format, games ending in 3 turns was the norm, just like now, but since they only played with friends, they don't know that.

[Prokaizer]

Modern Yu - Gi - Oh and it's rullings are straight garbage.

Example : "Your opponent cannot target any "Harpie" monsters with effects or for attacks.

Yet a monster that is "Unaffected by other cards' effects" can target your Harpie monsters for attacks, even when your effect states "YOUR OPPONENT" as a whole and not just "MONSTERS".

Hot garbage.

[TWA68]

Publicado originalmente por Prokaizer:

Modern Yu - Gi - Oh and it's rullings are straight garbage.

Example : "Your opponent cannot target any "Harpie" monsters with effects or for attacks.

Yet a monster that is "Unaffected by other cards' effects" can target your Harpie monsters for attacks, even when your effect states "YOUR OPPONENT" as a whole and not just "MONSTERS".

Hot garbage.

Yeah I have to admit that’s confuses me too. Same as with Sphere Mode stating the opponent can’t target it for attacks but unaffected cards like Crooked Cook can attack. Or how Soul Exchange and Monarchs Stormforth don’t work on unaffected monsters but Soul Crossing does.

[Scrumpet]

Publicado originalmente por Prokaizer:

Modern Yu - Gi - Oh and it's rullings are straight garbage.

Example : "Your opponent cannot target any "Harpie" monsters with effects or for attacks.

Yet a monster that is "Unaffected by other cards' effects" can target your Harpie monsters for attacks, even when your effect states "YOUR OPPONENT" as a whole and not just "MONSTERS".

Hot garbage.

Yeah this seems like it was not thought out whatsoever by Konami and just adds confusion to the already perpetual insanity of Modern YGO. It's trying to make a lot of decent cards obsolete for the sake of creating newer and newer cards. And don't get me started on LINK monsters.... honestly the worst addition to the game to date.

[Prokaizer]

Publicado originalmente por TWA68:

Publicado originalmente por Prokaizer:

Modern Yu - Gi - Oh and it's rullings are straight garbage.

Example : "Your opponent cannot target any "Harpie" monsters with effects or for attacks.

Yet a monster that is "Unaffected by other cards' effects" can target your Harpie monsters for attacks, even when your effect states "YOUR OPPONENT" as a whole and not just "MONSTERS".

Hot garbage.

Yeah I have to admit that’s confuses me too. Same as with Sphere Mode stating the opponent can’t target it for attacks but unaffected cards like Crooked Cook can attack. Or how Soul Exchange and Monarchs Stormforth don’t work on unaffected monsters but Soul Crossing does.

Yep, straight BS.
Cards that cannot be targeted can be targeted.
And unaffected cards can be affected and tributed by other cards like Kaijus.
The effects are straight up lie.

"Oh but it's a cost", well I don't give a F if it's a cost, if it says "opponent cannot target for attacks or with effects, then that should mean that it should only be affected by Lighting Storm, Raigeki, Black Rose Dragon etc.
Unaffected monsters do not get targeted by the "cannot be targeted for attacks", it's a freaking ruling, yet it doesn't apply to the match.

What's funny is that some people say "yu gi oh players do not read the texts".
Even if we read the texts, the rules are failed and do not apply normaly, so what is even the point of reading the texts in the first place?

[dabestgamer]

The game being around for as long as it has means it has grown to have lots of nuance that differentiate between scenarios.

The cost vs effect thing is one such nuance that's been around for a long time: where actions performed as part of a Cost (whether it's for an activation or for a Summon) are not considered part of the effect. That is, the text on the card telling you to do something generally cannot be both its Cost and its effect; it is one or the other, and not both. And that's how Kaijus can Tribute unaffected monsters--the act of Tributing for a Kaiju is a Cost and, therefore, not its effect, and "unaffected" doesn't protect against being used for Costs.

(And then they say for Monarchs Stormforth that the act of trying to use a monster as a Tribute is something that affects a monster rather than the Tributing itself. But it's probably here where they're asserting it's some effect's resolution that would allow you to do it.)

So as far as the game is concerned, the monster being "unaffected" isn't a lie--this nuance is just a big loophole. And then other scenarios where the tiniest differences change how something works, making it come off as inconsistent.

For better or for worse, Yu-Gi-Oh! is a game where all the tiny details and nuances matter (even if they don't appear 100% consistent at times).

The Crooked Cook vs Sphere Mode thing is not something I've personally encountered before, but even so, I can't disagree with the notion of clarifying things better for more consistency in some texts, especially in a case like this. Even more for things that are supposed to dictate what players can or can't do (as opposed to the cards themselves).

[TWA68]

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

The game being around for as long as it has means it has grown to have lots of nuance that differentiate between scenarios.

The cost vs effect thing is one such nuance that's been around for a long time: where actions performed as part of a Cost (whether it's for an activation or for a Summon) are not considered part of the effect. That is, the text on the card telling you to do something generally cannot be both its Cost and its effect; it is one or the other, and not both. And that's how Kaijus can Tribute unaffected monsters--the act of Tributing for a Kaiju is a Cost and, therefore, not its effect, and "unaffected" doesn't protect against being used for Costs.

So as far as the game is concerned, the monster being "unaffected" isn't a lie--this nuance is just a big loophole.

For better or for worse, Yu-Gi-Oh! is a game where all the tiny details and nuances matter.

The Crooked Cook vs Sphere Mode thing is not something I've personally encountered before, but even so, I can't disagree with the notion of clarifying things better for more consistency in some texts, especially in a case like this.

I only use Cook so the Sphere Mode scenario happens a lot and whilst it’s beneficial to me, I still don’t understand why it’s allowed.

Imagine summoning the Five Headed Link Dragon and giving your opponent Sphere Mode to potentially attack for game. It shouldn’t happen but it would be allowed.

[Prokaizer]

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

The Crooked Cook vs Sphere Mode thing is not something I've personally encountered before, but even so, I can't disagree with the notion of clarifying things better for more consistency in some texts, especially in a case like this. Even more for things that are supposed to dictate what players can or can't do (as opposed to the cards themselves).

Your opponent cannot target VS Unaffected by cards's effects :

https://streamable.com/nuxwzb

2 different rulings contradicting with each other.

[dabestgamer]

Publicado originalmente por Prokaizer:

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

The Crooked Cook vs Sphere Mode thing is not something I've personally encountered before, but even so, I can't disagree with the notion of clarifying things better for more consistency in some texts, especially in a case like this. Even more for things that are supposed to dictate what players can or can't do (as opposed to the cards themselves).

Your opponent cannot target VS Unaffected by cards's effects :

https://streamable.com/nuxwzb

2 different rulings contradicting with each other.

Yeah, I did a bit of digging, I'm taking this to mean that currently, in the Crooked Cook vs Sphere Mode scenario, "cannot target for attacks" apparently affects monsters, despite the text not explicitly referring to monsters.

Hence, why I mentioned that I agree that things like this should be more clear as for whether something is referring to a player or the cards themselves.

[Prokaizer]

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

Publicado originalmente por Prokaizer:

Your opponent cannot target VS Unaffected by cards's effects :

https://streamable.com/nuxwzb

2 different rulings contradicting with each other.

Yeah, I did a bit of digging, I'm taking this to mean that currently, in the Crooked Cook vs Sphere Mode scenario, "cannot target for attacks" apparently affects monsters, despite the text not explicitly referring to monsters.

Hence, why I mentioned that I agree that things like this should be more clear as for whether something is referring to a player or the cards themselves.

Also if you look at the video you will see that he couldn't target my mosnter with the "target 1 monster in the field and destroy it", but he could "target" it for attack. . .WTF? ? ?

So he can't pop my monster because he cannot target it, but he can target it for attacks when it cannot be targeted.

The rulings working whenever they want.

[dabestgamer]

Publicado originalmente por Prokaizer:

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

Yeah, I did a bit of digging, I'm taking this to mean that currently, in the Crooked Cook vs Sphere Mode scenario, "cannot target for attacks" apparently affects monsters, despite the text not explicitly referring to monsters.

Hence, why I mentioned that I agree that things like this should be more clear as for whether something is referring to a player or the cards themselves.

Also if you look the video you will see that he couldn't target my mosnter with the "target 1 monster in the field and destroy it", but he could "target" it for attack. . .WTF? ? ?

So he can't pop my monster because he cannot target it, but he can target it for attacks when it cannot be targeted.

The rulings working whenever they want.

Then assuming this is how the cards are actually ruled, it would mean that "cannot target for attacks" and "cannot target for effects" aren't 100% the same--with the former apparently affecting monsters while the latter doesn't, even if it sounds like they should be the same at first glance.

[Prokaizer]

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

Publicado originalmente por Prokaizer:

Also if you look the video you will see that he couldn't target my mosnter with the "target 1 monster in the field and destroy it", but he could "target" it for attack. . .WTF? ? ?

So he can't pop my monster because he cannot target it, but he can target it for attacks when it cannot be targeted.

The rulings working whenever they want.

Then assuming this is how the cards are actually ruled, it means that "cannot target for attacks" and "cannot target for effects" aren't 100% the same--with the former apparently affecting monsters while the latter doesn't, even if it sounds like they should be the same at first glance.

But Phantasma Dragon has both effects, cannot be targeted with effects nor can be targeted for attacks.
So why The Arrival couldn't pop it with the effect, but he could attack it?
It just makes no sense.

Anyway this just situation proves that Yu - Gi - Oh is BS and broken.
Imagine that thing happening to some kind of tournament, and the so called "judges" make up new rules out from their (_l_) in order to prove you wrong.

[Astrallight]

No idea if Arrivals effect that says: its uneffected by other cards effects has something to do about it. To me it sounds like since its uneffected it can bypass your attack protection but its own effect that pops a card is not included.

[dabestgamer]

Publicado originalmente por Prokaizer:

Publicado originalmente por dabestgamer:

Then assuming this is how the cards are actually ruled, it means that "cannot target for attacks" and "cannot target for effects" aren't 100% the same--with the former apparently affecting monsters while the latter doesn't, even if it sounds like they should be the same at first glance.

But Phantasma Dragon has both effects, cannot be targeted with effects nor can be targeted for attacks.
So why The Arrival couldn't pop it with the effect, but he could attack it?
It just makes no sense.

Based on what's been said and shown, I'm currently led to believe that the "cannot target for effects" isn't something that affects monsters, so The Arrival being "unaffected" doesn't get around not being able to target and destroy it. However, "cannot target for attacks" is something that affects monsters, so The Arrival being "unaffected" does allow it to attack.

They both say "cannot target", but one snippet of text cares concerns effect targeting, whereas the other concerns the opponent's monster attacks. That is the one thing I can think of that differentiates the two.

[Astrallight]

If a monster is uneffected by other card effects then it basically ignore all monster effects that your monster got so Arrival being able to attack an attack protected monster still works since the attack protection is gone