You clowns Undo the terraforming ban.

[Lord Pendragon]

If you want to hit tear or floo hit tear or floo. Hundreds of decks use teraforming. Let all those who have those deck burn there stupid OP deck they made because it was OP.

Not saying they are OP btw i have no issues with current tear or floo even tho Floo absolutely destroys my deck.

[TormentedSalad]

Origineel geplaatst door Knud den Store 🧙‍♂:

Origineel geplaatst door C.C. アヌビス:

Nobody sane cares that you made playing a certain deck your whole identity.

If I'm being frank, you're like a vegan. How do you know someone's a vegan? They tell you. Almost every single post you ever made on this forum is "I play UA". Why don't you get an actual hobby? Something to develop an personality.

We all have pet decks that we enjoy but are pretty terrible, Gustos are one of my all time favorite decks, love their artwork, love the story, the game play's fun, but the deck as a whole is garbage, but you don't see me cry on the forum "wah wah wah Konami scrubs hit Gusto wah wah wah do they not care about weak decks wah wah wah" or similar the moment something that can be used in Gusto gets hit because it needs to be hit as a whole like you guys do.

MF, The point is that these hits do nothing, only reduce options.
If Tear was the deck that needed to be hit and the hits were supposed to make it worse but if at the end of the day Tear is still the best deck around, what did the banlist accomplish?
"Absolutely NOTHING, say again"

Meanwhile Branded Expulsion lock is still around and EVERY Branded deck WILL use it.

You are simping for Konami when their decisions are :td_Skull:
That's the point of this discussion.
"but you deck is bad if it needed a generic"
Tear still plays generics, they have not hit ROTA, Grounds, Burial.

Also big talk about personality when you are the NPC simping for a corporation. I can replace you with Chat GPT running on a matel electronics football game.

Tears field spell is already at 1 honestly I dont think the OCG likes to kill decks as hard as the TCG lists tend to which I think is probably better.

As for the other generics maybe we should ban foolish burial very little is more frustrating is hitting a choke point just for them to drop foolish burial and it never mattered anyway because they drew a 1 of spell card that lets them dump absolutely anything

[Knud den Store 🧙‍♂]

Origineel geplaatst door C.C. アヌビス:

Origineel geplaatst door Knud den Store 🧙‍♂:

Also big talk about personality when you are the NPC simping for a corporation.

You're someone Pinocchio would trash talk without having his nose grow.

Rare Italian 19th Century Burn? Mfs be using their library cards for this $$
Anyhow returning to the topic at hand.
If the new field spells are TOO powerful just errata them or put a cost.
Tear cards have all upsides and the best Konami can do is ban the generics?
That is

Konami bans do not work because in order to punish ONE deck, they have to PUNISH many MORE and the deck in question is STILL GOOD because it is the entire archetype that is the problem, sure in some cases you can limit something like Circular and it will do the job, somewhat, but they had to kill Ishizu because Konami cannot be bothered to put some limitations in their new cards.

Look we all know they want to sell us on the new product but what sucks is when the new product is so busted and in this case unnecessary, NO ONE asked for VISAS when the Albaz story line has not concluded and the VISAS stuff could had been saved for DUNE instead. VISAS took the spot that could had been used to support Ice Jade and Springans, they completelty forgot about them and Tri-Brigade was for the most part sidelined from the story and Soul Sword did not get any more support and their involvement in the story was more a diversion, they did not do jack same as Ecclesia's friends except for Iris.

So yeah OP has all the right to be mad and we all should be mad with these dumb decisions and not try to down play them with bull$$$$ like "Oh your deck was probably already bad, lol" this is the kind of crap that pushes people to become meta sheep and then you all cry about Tearlament format, which is to be honest I think it is fine, I think hitting ishizu shufflers was the wrong move because Tear has one less thing to worry about.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Thing is, I don't see why people "should be mad", if you're relying on broken cards that are nothing but a ticking time bomb, you should be well aware that sooner or later that broken card will get hit.

Should Ogdoadic or Alien players that use Snake Rain start crying when an actually good Reptile deck will be released and Snake Rain get banned? Snake Rain is a broken card, and just because there's no deck that can abuse it right now doesn't change that fact. By your logic, yes, they should cry because that card wasn't a problem when only trash decks could use it.

And that's the core point of the discussion, those cards you cry that shouldn't have been hit because "they weren't an issue in bad decks", are an issue, they're busted, it's just that the decks you and the other criers are using them in can't use them at their full potential, but the moment a deck can, it shows just how powerful they are.

Your solution seems to be "just don't print decks that can use them at full potential, or if already printed, errata the cards", and I'm just here wondering, do you not see what a huge limitation on design that is? All that for a single card?

Certain cards should get banned for that fact alone, because their existence alone warps things around them one way or another. Diablosis IRL almost doubled prices of extra decks because you were forced to run 2nd copies of important cards just so you don't lose to it IF you even run into it in the first place, Maxx "C" forcing ~25% of all decks to be identical due to the Maxx "C" tax, and many more.

Just because those cards weren't hit yet, or Konami has a fetish for that bug, doesn't mean the cards aren't an issue and shouldn't be hit. That's a concept I understand, so if you rely on broken cards, you shouldn't cry when their inevitable hits actually come around.

[Astrallight]

Terraforming is still at 1 in TCG/OGC and they got Kashtira out that got a broken field spell too. But still not banned.

[Harami ♛]

Make a old school yugioh

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Origineel geplaatst door Astrallight:

Terraforming is still at 1 in TCG/OGC and they got Kashtira out that got a broken field spell too. But still not banned.

Block Dragon is banned in the TCG, limited in MD and at 3 in OCG, Foolish Burial Goods is at 3 in the TCG, limited in MD and at 2 in the OCG. Cyber Stein is banned in TCG and MD, limited in OCG. Rhongo is banned in TCG, at 3 in MD and OCG.

Your point?

[Lord Pendragon]

Wow i did not think i had this much support..this is nice maybe its not hopeless.

[Astrallight]

Origineel geplaatst door BloopM:

I think that terraforming should stay banned not just because the field spells are becoming stronger but because now numeron will have 1 less way to activate field spell.

Umi has one less card to search for Legendary Ocean.
Runic has one less for Fountain
DM has a harder way to turbo out Secret Village
Numeron has one less way to get thier field spell out.
Tear ofc now has one less way to get thier broken field spell out.

What the difference with this list is all but Tear now become less consistent cause they live and die by thier field spell.

Same with the ban to instant fusion and Foolish Burial. They are hits that makes alot of rogue decks less consistent while meta decks that use those are only getting a slap on the hand rogue decks are getting rock to the face.

Also a reason I hope alot of those limits and bans gets reverted again when Tear and Kashtira have been hit enough to allow those cards to return again.

[TormentedSalad]

Origineel geplaatst door Astrallight:

Origineel geplaatst door BloopM:

I think that terraforming should stay banned not just because the field spells are becoming stronger but because now numeron will have 1 less way to activate field spell.

Umi has one less card to search for Legendary Ocean.
Runic has one less for Fountain
DM has a harder way to turbo out Secret Village
Numeron has one less way to get thier field spell out.
Tear ofc now has one less way to get thier broken field spell out.

What the difference with this list is all but Tear now become less consistent cause they live and die by thier field spell.

Same with the ban to instant fusion and Foolish Burial. They are hits that makes alot of rogue decks less consistent while meta decks that use those are only getting a slap on the hand rogue decks are getting rock to the face.

Also a reason I hope alot of those limits and bans gets reverted again when Tear and Kashtira have been hit enough to allow those cards to return again.

Tear does not live or die by its field spell it offers methods to deal with floodgates and acts as a rota for the archetype you could come up with tons of other examples that actually make sense

[HeraldOfOpera]

Origineel geplaatst door TormentedSalad:

Origineel geplaatst door Astrallight:

Umi has one less card to search for Legendary Ocean.
Runic has one less for Fountain
DM has a harder way to turbo out Secret Village
Numeron has one less way to get thier field spell out.
Tear ofc now has one less way to get thier broken field spell out.

What the difference with this list is all but Tear now become less consistent cause they live and die by thier field spell.

Same with the ban to instant fusion and Foolish Burial. They are hits that makes alot of rogue decks less consistent while meta decks that use those are only getting a slap on the hand rogue decks are getting rock to the face.

Also a reason I hope alot of those limits and bans gets reverted again when Tear and Kashtira have been hit enough to allow those cards to return again.

Tear does not live or die by its field spell it offers methods to deal with floodgates and acts as a rota for the archetype you could come up with tons of other examples that actually make sense

That's exactly it, Tear likes its field spell but doesn't need it. Those other already-worse-than-Tears decks do need their field spell.

[TormentedSalad]

Origineel geplaatst door HeraldOfOpera:

Origineel geplaatst door TormentedSalad:

Tear does not live or die by its field spell it offers methods to deal with floodgates and acts as a rota for the archetype you could come up with tons of other examples that actually make sense

That's exactly it, Tear likes its field spell but doesn't need it. Those other already-worse-than-Tears decks do need their field spell.

and they should have a good way to search it no reason to keep a generic field spell search that will only find itself being abused by much better decks and if im completely honest I dont like banning critical/semi critical cards unless its really necessary something like rhongo is a good example hes never doing anything but absolute degenerate ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Tears field spell just isnt quite at that level.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Origineel geplaatst door TormentedSalad:

Origineel geplaatst door HeraldOfOpera:

That's exactly it, Tear likes its field spell but doesn't need it. Those other already-worse-than-Tears decks do need their field spell.

and they should have a good way to search it no reason to keep a generic field spell search that will only find itself being abused by much better decks and if im completely honest I dont like banning critical/semi critical cards unless its really necessary something like rhongo is a good example hes never doing anything but absolute degenerate ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Tears field spell just isnt quite at that level.

Making those hundreds of separate cards is not financially practical even for an actual good company, never mind Komoney. (Explaining, not condoning)