Effect Veiler powercrept by not only Impermanence, but also...

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

So apparently Effect Veiler is powercrept by Infinite Impermanence.

But what about the Dogmatika engine that eventually searches out Fleurdelis? From one Nadir Servant, you can get a potential search, pop, etc. Netting an average of +2. On top of a 2500ATK monster.

[MancakeBR]

Effect Veiler is better than imperm is some ways, and Imperm is better than Veiler in others.

[Pastor Shotty McBangJump]

I don't think this is really a fair comparison tbh. Nadir Servant is a strong engine piece with heavy restrictions that is much better as a going first card due to facilitating stuff like the aforementioned Dogmatika engine or Winda, while Impermanence is a generic handtrap that just happens to be usable as a decent endboard piece going first but is still ultimately a card best used for going second and interrupting the opponent's combo.

If you just want to talk about strong singular cards that lead into multiple disruptions, there are plenty to talk about, like Branded Fusion, Mathmech Circular, Achichi/Pikari @Ignister and so on.

As for Veiler, yeah, it's not bad by any means, it's just a bit worse than Impermanence in most cases, although some decks like Sky Striker use it to help link climb to Accesscode with Selene because it's a Spellcaster, and Veiler can be used on a pre-established board without needing to be set which can help against stuff like Lightning Storm or Duster.

[Zelwy]

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Effect Veiler is better than imperm is some ways, and Imperm is better than Veiler in others.

This

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Off-topic, now that Needlefiber is gone, what's the best way to Selene into Accesscode?

The Familiar Possessed Dark Link monster that I can't remember the name of (any of them) is one that comes to mind, but I'm sure I'm forgetting a better one.

EDIT: Nvm, any of them will do, not just the Dark one (called Dharc...)

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Gameing1:

Effect veiler can be used with small world, doesn't need to be set if you control a card, used with selene to link climb into accesscode, or can even just be normal summoned in decks that don't use their normal summon all the time. And the dogmatika engine isn't a handtrap going second and requires a lot of garnets to plus in the example you listed.

Yeah, being a level 1 tuner lets you do some interesting stuff. Moreso when Halq was a thing, because that could pull it from the deck to directly make that Selene play.

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Yeah, being a level 1 tuner lets you do some interesting stuff. Moreso when Halq was a thing, because that could pull it from the deck to directly make that Selene play.

Being a level 1 is always a benefit. In very niche case decks that use level 1s, it can be a backup target for one for one or something, or in a dire board state it can just be used to link off for anima to help break a board or at least bait out some interaction. Light spellcaster is also a big plus, you can summon it to break a secret village lock in decks that don't run any other spellcasters. The two can hardly be compared, they have so many additional use cases

[draconicepic]

As others have said, Imperm vs Veiler is very situational; though, most prefer Imperm. Additionally, Fleurdelis isn't that powerful. Unlike Imperm and Veiler, Fleurdelis negate isn't live to interrupt your opponent if they go first. Fleurdelis requires another Dogmatika card to be on the fiield to use it's negate effect. It also doesn't help that Fleurdelis requires your opponent to control an extra deck monster.

As someone who really likes the Dogmatika archetype's design, I'll be the first to say the deck isn't very good in modern formats. Limiting Nadir Servant to 1 really hurts the deck. They can probably bring it back to 3 without issue. The new banlist is bringing it back to 2, but honestly it probably won't do much.

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Off-topic, now that Needlefiber is gone, what's the best way to Selene into Accesscode?

The Familiar Possessed Dark Link monster that I can't remember the name of (any of them) is one that comes to mind, but I'm sure I'm forgetting a better one.

Without a doubt the best current method of getting out Accesscode is Transcode Talker and Splash Mage to link climb; however, the latter is really only viable in Cyberse decks. It is possible to use Spright Elf if your going first to create Acesscode turn 3, but Spright generally has better options. It ultimately depends on what deck your playing. Accesscode isn't an auto-include into decks anymore, so it's fallen out of favor outside Mathmech and maybe Ignister which use Update Jammer to OTK their opponents.

[Zaebore]

I don't have any copies of effect veiler when I already should have it by now. Impermanence is probably the better choice since it can't get interrupted as easily as veiler and it's a trap card that forces a negate on a free board. Fleurdelis is pretty much on the same level as Therion regulus I would say. It's alright. A free special summon, a generic monster, and can be used in multiple engines. Their not that much different from one another but if I have to choose between the two cards the deciding factor will have to be the animation sound effect when their summoned. It's a hard choice to choose from. The knights or the machines. This is making me conflicted.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Originally posted by draconicepic:

Accesscode isn't an auto-include into decks anymore, so it's fallen out of favor outside Mathmech and maybe Ignister which use Update Jammer to OTK their opponents.

Not that I want Halifiber to be unbanned, but it's kinda interesting that the strongest Link-4 is no longer an auto-include, so much has shifted since Vrains.