The Branded Fusion Limited 1...

[Exvalcore]

Was uncalled for, I don't understand the purpose this serves.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Exvalcore:

Was uncalled for, I don't understand the purpose this serves.

Only Branded players complain about this. What Branded players dont understand is how much gas thier deck has. limit Branded Fusion was a good call. Its just a free Mirrorjade with no cost to pay.

Speaking of Mirrorjade. It should be limited to 1 next.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Originally posted by Exvalcore:

Was uncalled for, I don't understand the purpose this serves.

Only Branded players complain about this. What Branded players dont understand is how much gas thier deck has. limit Branded Fusion was a good call. Its just a free Mirrorjade with no cost to pay.

Speaking of Mirrorjade. It should be limited to 1 next.

Do they even use more than 1?

Most lists I've seen lately ran pretty much 15 1ofs, occasionally dropping something for 2nd Lubellion.

[Kane526]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Only Branded players complain about this. What Branded players dont understand is how much gas thier deck has. limit Branded Fusion was a good call. Its just a free Mirrorjade with no cost to pay.

Speaking of Mirrorjade. It should be limited to 1 next.

Do they even use more than 1?

Most lists I've seen lately ran pretty much 15 1ofs, occasionally dropping something for 2nd Lubellion.

Most use 2 but going down to 1 is not uncommon and often the second isn't used. The only time it's a factor is when the first got milled, which in the current meta is likely.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Kane526:

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Do they even use more than 1?

Most lists I've seen lately ran pretty much 15 1ofs, occasionally dropping something for 2nd Lubellion.

Most use 2 but going down to 1 is not uncommon and often the second isn't used. The only time it's a factor is when the first got milled, which in the current meta is likely.

I'm aware of Diablosis pretty much forcing you to run multiples of important cards just so you don't lose you single copy, and that's one of the main reasons it needs to go, but beside that, yea, there's not much reason to run more than one.

[Shoepots]

They're banning everything except for Maxx "C", the card with a 91% usage rate in decks.
Branded isn't the #1 spot deck, but thank god Fusion got limited to 1 because I'm sick of how common running into that stupid deck is.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Originally posted by Silyon:

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

I was thinking if Cartesia would've been the more appropriate hit myself. I don't know the Deathtoy engine beyond Patchwork, how good is it?

The main advantage it has is deck thinning and making Guardian Chimera easier to go into, as well as actually have it's protection live. But I personally don't like it, mainly because Frightfur Patchwork can become a brick if they mill out your Sabers. Plus the whole thing remains vulnerable to Ash and dies to Droll. I'd rather just do the Hex-sealed fusion or King of the Swamp play.

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Hitting it to 0 really kills the deck though, which is not a light decision, if you ask me.

I don't think it does, honestly. Branded did fine before the fusion spell came out, though back then we had terraforming to search the Theater. Aluber can still search it for us, even if it's not great for having to stay on the field. Normal poly isn't terrible, Fallen pretends to be a Super Poly whenever you actually draw him, plus Cartesia. Branded works fine without Fusion, it's just a nice thing to have. Half the time it ends up being ash-bait anyway, so if you think about it we're already playing a Fusion-less Branded.

Ok, I thought it was some other engine that isn't Patchwork that I don't know about.

As for the 2nd point. Fair enough. I actually took Kitt out of my deck recently. Might have to add her back in if the limit comes to the TCG.

I've seen funny lines where the opponent is waiting for that Branded Fusion but you never planned on playing it this turn because you don't need to anyway. XD

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Ok, I thought it was some other engine that isn't Patchwork that I don't know about.

That's the funny thing, branded has so many overpowered support cards by now that they don't even run the patchwork engine anymore. Straight plus in card advantage and consistency, basically a free one-card fusion just from sending a card to the graveyard, and it is considered too weak compared to their existing alternatives. There's no room to complain about one fusion card going from 2 to 1 when branded is still in such a lofty position compared to any other deck, basically spoiled for choices

[Silyon]

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Ok, I thought it was some other engine that isn't Patchwork that I don't know about.

That's the funny thing, branded has so many overpowered support cards by now that they don't even run the patchwork engine anymore. Straight plus in card advantage and consistency, basically a free one-card fusion just from sending a card to the graveyard, and it is considered too weak compared to their existing alternatives. There's no room to complain about one fusion card going from 2 to 1 when branded is still in such a lofty position compared to any other deck, basically spoiled for choices

I feel like I need someone to explain to me why the patchwork engine is "good". My experience, having used it, It's straight garbage and directly bricks hands with unusable cards. Patchwork can only be played if both a poly and an edge imp are still in your deck, and all you care about getting to is the Poly. Most of the edge imps do nothing for Branded, which is why Sabers is usually used to fetch the next patchwork, which is once-per-turn regardless. Drawing any Imp or Poly will end up bricking at least one of the patchworks at the end of the day, and you need to run 3 of each in order to get the most mileage out of the deck. Already running 9 Handtraps, and Branded's not the slimmest archetype.

Card advantage is not created equal. Ojamagic is a free +2, but the +2 is made up of vanilla monsters that are largely worthless. What's the point of going plus if the cards you're searching do nothing for you?

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Silyon:

I feel like I need someone to explain to me why the patchwork engine is "good". My experience, having used it, It's straight garbage and directly bricks hands with unusable cards. Patchwork can only be played if both a poly and an edge imp are still in your deck, and all you care about getting to is the Poly. Most of the edge imps do nothing for Branded, which is why Sabers is usually used to fetch the next patchwork, which is once-per-turn regardless. Drawing any Imp or Poly will end up bricking at least one of the patchworks at the end of the day, and you need to run 3 of each in order to get the most mileage out of the deck. Already running 9 Handtraps, and Branded's not the slimmest archetype.

You don't use sabres, the better option is running chains. I think people usually run 2, maybe 3. If you draw patchwork, you can search a chain and a poly which is just a free +1 of cards useful to your deck. If you draw a chain, you can use any of your countless fusion methods to get it out of your hand and it will search you a patchwork, which is then used to get your second chain and a poly. And since it's already a dark fiend you will have targets to fuse with it from pretty much any opening hand. There's a small chance to brick on all your chains or all your search targets but more often than not you just get free fusion material

[Exvalcore]

Nadir sending ("Tri-Brigade Arms Bucephalus ll" to the GY and then he sends a beast warrior from the extradeck to the GY "Brigrand the Glory Dragon")
To add "Dogmatika Maximus"
then remove the tri brigade : special maximus and we send "Despia Luluwalilith" and our friend albion
END phace
Luluwalilith to special cartesia
Brigrand to special Albaz
Albion to set Branded in red
Opponent main phace
cartesia and Albaz = Granguignol ( sending Gimmik Puppet nightmare)
branded in red Albaz and maximus = Albion the sacrosant?"fire" dragon ( effect: GP nightmare to the opponen's fields cartesia to yours
All with one card also u can BF before going Nadir do ur combo and then Nadir when u finish

1.Not sold on the send Tri-Bigade Arms vs Brigrand Directly.
2.Brigrand to special Albaz, vs Merc to Hand, seems better?
^Can't even fuse away one of their cards at -1 either, Nadir.
* But I guess it's for the "Sanctifire" if you don't have Albaz.

I guess this is Optimized enough.

Albaz if missed it, or Merc for a Negate.
Cartesia Fuse, Gimmik~Sanctifire Lock.

Nadir Servant, is a not searchable, but it can also add Albaz if Maximus is in hand.
Requires Gimmik+Maximus added to deck which should be fine, a bit long winded.

[76561199256997065]

Originally posted by Exvalcore:

1.Not sold on the send Tri-Bigade Arms vs Brigrand Directly.
2.Brigrand to special Albaz, vs Merc to Hand, seems better?

U need 1 to Special maximus If u remove Brigrand u wont special albaz or merc in the end Phace
so remove Tri-Bigade Arms and done

[Exvalcore]

No thx this seems stupid, why go thru all that combo effort for a gimmick on just a rare chance when getting Nadir.

I prefer consistency.

[76561199256997065]

Originally posted by Exvalcore:

No thx this seems stupid, why go thru all that combo effort for a gimmick on just a rare chance when getting Nadir.

I prefer consistency.

U can combo Puppet ezly without nadir and if u can't just do the Usual but nevermind i'm not trying to recruit believers to the cult of the puppet i was just explaining a combo y'know

[Exvalcore]

Nothing Brain Dead about the deck, unless you just mean it's simplistic, but that's only because they keep banning parts of it, you'd see all kinds of complex plays, oops no more instant fusion, oops no more expulsion, oops, semi-jester/opening, oops, limited branded fusion, oops, no verte, no terraforming, no cyberstein. Those banlist hits are crazy against fusion/branded players.

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Exvalcore:

Nothing Brain Dead about the deck, unless you just mean it's simplistic, but that's only because they keep banning parts of it, you'd see all kinds of complex plays, oops no more instant fusion, oops no more expulsion, oops, semi-jester/opening, oops, limited branded fusion, oops, no verte, no terraforming, no cyberstein. Those banlist hits are crazy against fusion/branded players.

And the fact that it's still a tiered deck after a dozen hits over the course of a year should tell you that if anything, they weren't enough. And again, that's considering MD doesn't even have all of their cards yet