Spright is overly consistent. Here's my suggestion:

[Ehgk-Zakhari]

I play spright and enjoy the deck but it is obviously too consistent. Limit Spright Elf and Spright Blue. Maybe semi-limit or limit Gigantic Spright. I don't think Gigantic Spright is a problem though. The reason for limiting Blue is because Gigantic Spright would be forced to summon Blue a lot more instead of almost always going for Swap Frog. This would make their end board weaker most of the time but still allows for your most powerful board if you get lucky. Spright Jet doesn't need to be hit because it almost exclusively searches Spright Starter. If you negate Spright Jet, they can't search Spright Starter and then they likely won't get Blue which stops them from getting Spright Red or Carrot.

[Ehgk-Zakhari]

Of course nothing should be touched yet until they actually do something to Runick. That last ban list was a joke.

[Astrallight]

Runic field spell need atleast a limit to one and all floodgates limited to one.

[wildnike]

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

I play spright and enjoy the deck but it is obviously too consistent. Limit Spright Elf and Spright Blue. Maybe semi-limit or limit Gigantic Spright. I don't think Gigantic Spright is a problem though. The reason for limiting Blue is because Gigantic Spright would be forced to summon Blue a lot more instead of almost always going for Swap Frog. This would make their end board weaker most of the time but still allows for your most powerful board if you get lucky. Spright Jet doesn't need to be hit because it almost exclusively searches Spright Starter. If you negate Spright Jet, they can't search Spright Starter and then they likely won't get Blue which stops them from getting Spright Red or Carrot.

These are some good ideas, but they are ignoring the actual best card in the archetype: Spright Elf. If you want the deck weakened, limit or ban the card. This will cut its recursive ability and consistency considerably, while still keeping it viable.

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Runic field spell need atleast a limit to one and all floodgates limited to one.

Limiting the field spell to one kills Runick as an archetype. That is a little bit of a far cry from "weaken."

Also killing floodgates does absolutely nothing. Spright Runick is far and away the best version. They have no reason to run Floodgates outside of Gigantic Spright (a technical "floodgate" since it locks both opponents into Lvl 2 monsters for the turn).

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by wildnike:

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

I play spright and enjoy the deck but it is obviously too consistent. Limit Spright Elf and Spright Blue. Maybe semi-limit or limit Gigantic Spright. I don't think Gigantic Spright is a problem though. The reason for limiting Blue is because Gigantic Spright would be forced to summon Blue a lot more instead of almost always going for Swap Frog. This would make their end board weaker most of the time but still allows for your most powerful board if you get lucky. Spright Jet doesn't need to be hit because it almost exclusively searches Spright Starter. If you negate Spright Jet, they can't search Spright Starter and then they likely won't get Blue which stops them from getting Spright Red or Carrot.

These are some good ideas, but they are ignoring the actual best card in the archetype: Spright Elf. If you want the deck weakened, limit or ban the card. This will cut its recursive ability and consistency considerably, while still keeping it viable.

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Runic field spell need atleast a limit to one and all floodgates limited to one.

Limiting the field spell to one kills Runick as an archetype. That is a little bit of a far cry from "weaken."

Also killing floodgates does absolutely nothing. Spright Runick is far and away the best version. They have no reason to run Floodgates outside of Gigantic Spright (a technical "floodgate" since it locks both opponents into Lvl 2 monsters for the turn).

Then Spright need nerfs aswell but how I have no clue since I dont play it.

[Ehgk-Zakhari]

Originally posted by wildnike:

Originally posted by Ehgk-Zakhari:

I play spright and enjoy the deck but it is obviously too consistent. Limit Spright Elf and Spright Blue. Maybe semi-limit or limit Gigantic Spright. I don't think Gigantic Spright is a problem though. The reason for limiting Blue is because Gigantic Spright would be forced to summon Blue a lot more instead of almost always going for Swap Frog. This would make their end board weaker most of the time but still allows for your most powerful board if you get lucky. Spright Jet doesn't need to be hit because it almost exclusively searches Spright Starter. If you negate Spright Jet, they can't search Spright Starter and then they likely won't get Blue which stops them from getting Spright Red or Carrot.

These are some good ideas, but they are ignoring the actual best card in the archetype: Spright Elf. If you want the deck weakened, limit or ban the card. This will cut its recursive ability and consistency considerably, while still keeping it viable.

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Runic field spell need atleast a limit to one and all floodgates limited to one.

Limiting the field spell to one kills Runick as an archetype. That is a little bit of a far cry from "weaken."

Also killing floodgates does absolutely nothing. Spright Runick is far and away the best version. They have no reason to run Floodgates outside of Gigantic Spright (a technical "floodgate" since it locks both opponents into Lvl 2 monsters for the turn).

I literally said to limit spright elf. it's the second sentence. I don't want it banned. That's why I suggested also limiting Spright Blue.

[Merilirem]

My matches against Spright have been pretty underwhelming. It clearly does cool stuff consistently which I can understand makes it a great tournament deck but it doesn't feel very strong. The games I have against it are pretty fair with my common decks and my best decks like my Ishizu Chaos deck laugh at it.

Basically I am just not sure if it matters how consistent they are when they don't do much. Maybe I am just used to stronger boards and plays. Spright feels like swordsoul. They always do what they do but its not enough to make them scary unless you are playing jank.

Consistency is a strong point of a deck but I don't think being consistent alone merits any hits. Perhaps I just haven't had a proper match or perhaps my most common cards are too suited for it in general.

So while I could understand some limits I am unsure if its really that good.

[wildnike]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

My matches against Spright have been pretty underwhelming. It clearly does cool stuff consistently which I can understand makes it a great tournament deck but it doesn't feel very strong. The games I have against it are pretty fair with my common decks and my best decks like my Ishizu Chaos deck laugh at it.

Basically I am just not sure if it matters how consistent they are when they don't do much. Maybe I am just used to stronger boards and plays. Spright feels like swordsoul. They always do what they do but its not enough to make them scary unless you are playing jank.

Consistency is a strong point of a deck but I don't think being consistent alone merits any hits. Perhaps I just haven't had a proper match or perhaps my most common cards are too suited for it in general.

So while I could understand some limits I am unsure if its really that good.

I know some sections of the TCG were really ragging on it. but banning Union Carrier and Toad went a really long way.

Take a look at the Master Circuit tournaments. Spright is *present*, but it isn't topping super crazy. This is even with a side deck, and from what I can see, players aren't really running a lot of targeted Spright hate.

It's a fantastic deck, but there are plenty of others, especially after the Ishizu cards arrived, which can keep up with it.

[Brojo]

My opinion in this: Dont take the floodgates, they are important to a bunch kind of decks, i dont like this kinda decks, but i kinda resprect them.
Make all runick-cards to 1... yeah everyone of them... And then it might be a balanced deck...

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Brojo:

My opinion in this: Dont take the floodgates, they are important to a bunch kind of decks, i dont like this kinda decks, but i kinda resprect them.
Make all runick-cards to 1... yeah everyone of them... And then it might be a balanced deck...

The Strongest floodgates need to go. They can be replaced for the kind of play those people want but they can't stay. Destroying Runick to save floodgates is just a personal bias.

[Yerc2]

Do you believe that the issue is more-so the board that Spright ends up on?
Or is it mainly just the tools that Spright uses to reach those points?
Or [a combination of] both?

IMO, it seems like all meta decks are extremely consistent, especially ones that rely more heavily on the ED. In general, I believe that's a factor that contributes to duels lacking player interaction and ending within 3 turns.

[Brojo]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Brojo:

My opinion in this: Dont take the floodgates, they are important to a bunch kind of decks, i dont like this kinda decks, but i kinda resprect them.
Make all runick-cards to 1... yeah everyone of them... And then it might be a balanced deck...

The Strongest floodgates need to go. They can be replaced for the kind of play those people want but they can't stay. Destroying Runick to save floodgates is just a personal bias.

You could argue the other way around why you should punish ALL Floodgame-Decks cause they make runick so strong? Honestly this is bias.

Btw, i dont play runnik my self, in fact i hate it to play against them, but do punish every other deck around a floodgate cause runiks are messed up... yeah... NO!

[Prilla]

for me the game lost any enjoyment cause spright, 75% of matches are spright, i like mid range decks, but are literally unplayable cause spright powercreeps every one of those in every way.

[wildnike]

Originally posted by Prilla:

for me the game lost any enjoyment cause spright, 75% of matches are spright, i like mid range decks, but are literally unplayable cause spright powercreeps every one of those in every way.

As a Branded degenerate, this simply isn't true. Spright has recursion for sure, but they still lose out on consistency and big beaters to Branded. And now with the Ishizu cards, the resource game is a lot more in the Fusion deck's favor.

Swordsoul I would say has definitely slowly been creeped out of the meta though, even with BDF. That midrange deck has suffered.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Brojo:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

The Strongest floodgates need to go. They can be replaced for the kind of play those people want but they can't stay. Destroying Runick to save floodgates is just a personal bias.

You could argue the other way around why you should punish ALL Floodgame-Decks cause they make runick so strong? Honestly this is bias.

Btw, i dont play runnik my self, in fact i hate it to play against them, but do punish every other deck around a floodgate cause runiks are messed up... yeah... NO!

Your bias was against Runick, not you playing it.

The problem with these floodgates has nothing to do with Runick. Before Runick it was 10 other decks and it was never good for the game.

These floodgates have always been an issue that needs solving. Runick is just a deck of the month or year. After Runick another Stun deck will run all the strongest floodgates and it will be exactly the same.

[Brojo]

Originally posted by Prilla:

for me the game lost any enjoyment cause spright, 75% of matches are spright, i like mid range decks, but are literally unplayable cause spright powercreeps every one of those in every way.

Wait for the Tears... Honestly i for myself just playing in gold cause you get some fine matches there... Everything above you get copy/paste matches with the same decks these days, even if you sweet anough to get to plat 1 and above all you gonna find are the same decks...^^ Battleing each other... I say have fun boys... Just today i played vs 5 diffferent decks. Lost 3, won 2, but every game got to at least round 7 and was fun as ...