Chaos Form broken ?

[Mistic-Gohan]

Can someone plz explain why Pre-Preparations of Rites doesn't recognize this ritual spell ?

So far this is the only ritual spell that doesnt work with this spell no matter how many various chaos ritual monsters I use in deck for unknown reasons...

*Vendread ritual spells for example work as they should be.

[Merilirem]

Pre-prep requires names. Chaos form doesn't name any ritual monsters. Its a generic chaos ritual card but that makes it worse in a way. The only monsters mentioned by name are Blue Eyes and Dark Magician.

[Mistic-Gohan]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Pre-prep requires names. Chaos form doesn't name any ritual monsters. Its a generic chaos ritual card but that makes it worse in a way. The only monsters mentioned by name are Blue Eyes and Dark Magician.

Vendread rituals have the same text and You can summon any Vendread and even Revendread ritual mosters.
Also You're wrong because Chaos Form mentions any "Chaos" and/or "Black Luster Soldier". DM and BE are used as material.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Mistic-Gohan:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Pre-prep requires names. Chaos form doesn't name any ritual monsters. Its a generic chaos ritual card but that makes it worse in a way. The only monsters mentioned by name are Blue Eyes and Dark Magician.

Vendread rituals have the same text and You can summon any Vendread and even Revendread ritual mosters.

The difference is that the Vendread rituals mention a ritual monster, which is a legitimate loophole that other cards have exploited since. Chaos Form only mentions two non-ritual monsters, which Pre-Prep can't search and therefore cannot be used to resolve the ability (and you do need both targets).

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Mistic-Gohan:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Pre-prep requires names. Chaos form doesn't name any ritual monsters. Its a generic chaos ritual card but that makes it worse in a way. The only monsters mentioned by name are Blue Eyes and Dark Magician.

Vendread rituals have the same text and You can summon any Vendread and even Revendread ritual mosters.
Also You're wrong because Chaos Form mentions any "Chaos" and/or "Black Luster Soldier". DM and BE are used as material.

"Add 1 Ritual Spell from your Deck to your hand, and add 1 Ritual Monster from your Deck or GY to your hand whose name is mentioned on that Ritual Spell"

This is the card we are talking about right? If so then the reason is obvious. I mentioned Blue Eyes and Dark Magician because those being named means it can be searched by cards like Bingo Machine or Dark Magician searchers since they look for the names.

In Ravendreads case it has a name in it.

"This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Vendread" Ritual Monster from your hand or GY. You must also Tribute monsters from your hand or field, and/or banish Zombie monsters from your GY, whose total Levels equal or exceed the Level of the Ritual Monster you Ritual Summon. If "Revendread Slayer(s)" you control would be destroyed by battle or card effect, you can banish this card from your GY instead."

See where it says Slayers? That is a monsters name.

[Mistic-Gohan]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Originally posted by Mistic-Gohan:

Vendread rituals have the same text and You can summon any Vendread and even Revendread ritual mosters.

The difference is that the Vendread rituals mention a ritual monster, which is a legitimate loophole that other cards have exploited since. Chaos Form only mentions two non-ritual monsters, which Pre-Prep can't search and therefore cannot be used to resolve the ability (and you do need both targets).

Chaos Form
This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Chaos" or "Black Luster Soldier" Ritual Monster.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Mistic-Gohan:

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

The difference is that the Vendread rituals mention a ritual monster, which is a legitimate loophole that other cards have exploited since. Chaos Form only mentions two non-ritual monsters, which Pre-Prep can't search and therefore cannot be used to resolve the ability (and you do need both targets).

Chaos Form
This card can be used to Ritual Summon any "Chaos" or "Black Luster Soldier" Ritual Monster.

Again those are not full names. The Black Luster Soldier part isn't even on the japanese version since BLS in Japanese is Chaos Soldier. The card just says CHAOS ritual monster which is not the name of any ritual monster. It needs to be a full stated name.

[Merilirem]

So I guess the problem is a translation error for BLS.

[Mistic-Gohan]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

So I guess the problem is a translation error for BLS.

No, because I placed BLS ritual monster in deck and it didnt worked with chaos form only. Placed chaos form and BLS's ritual and it worked only with its BLS ritual summon card...

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Mistic-Gohan:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

So I guess the problem is a translation error for BLS.

No, because I placed BLS ritual monster in deck and it didnt worked with chaos form only. Placed chaos form and BLS's ritual and it worked only with its BLS ritual summon card...

Ok you aren't understanding. In Japanese Chaos form does not say BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER. That part is entirely a translation because for some reason Chaos Soldier was called Black Luster Soldier in english. There is no Black Luster Soldier in the original game. So Chaos form doesn't name any monster.

The Black Luster Soldier ritual does name Chaos Soldier though.

[Astrallight]

https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Chaos

this tells you which you can use chaos form on. Prep of rites need specific monster names in its text before it can be used. Like you need a ritual card that summon a specific monster.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Robin5423:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Ok you aren't understanding. In Japanese Chaos form does not say BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER. That part is entirely a translation because for some reason Chaos Soldier was called Black Luster Soldier in english. There is no Black Luster Soldier in the original game. So Chaos form doesn't name any monster.

The Black Luster Soldier ritual does name Chaos Soldier though.

The card isn't mistranslated because it's referencing to ALL BLS ritual Monsters not just the original.

If that were true it would work with the original "Black Luster Soldier" ritual. It does not because the name isn't actually on the card. BLS is a CHAOS card so there is no need to name it specifically.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

I have no idea what UDE was smoking when they thought Chaos meant Black Luster or Yellow Luster.

[Mistic-Gohan]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Chaos

this tells you which you can use chaos form on. Prep of rites need specific monster names in its text before it can be used. Like you need a ritual card that summon a specific monster.

Then why prep works with vendread cards ? It doesnt even need to be specific because I can even pick Revendread Slayer or Executor which has "vendread" as partial name. See Revendread solo gates.

There are 4 CHAOS ritual monster in the game atm... and none of them react.

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Robin5423:

The card isn't mistranslated because it's referencing to ALL BLS ritual Monsters not just the original.

If that were true it would work with the original "Black Luster Soldier" ritual. It does not because the name isn't actually on the card. BLS is a CHAOS card so there is no need to name it specifically.

Few seconds ago I mentioned that prep works with original BLS's own ritual cards... Black Luster Ritual for example.

[Pastor Shotty McBangJump]

"Black Luster Soldier" is not the same as a "Black Luster Soldier" monster.

Pre-Prep needs a ritual monster to specifically be named in the ritual spell, while Chaos Form states that it can be any ritual monster containing "Black Luster Soldier" in its name, and as such Black Luster Soldier in particular is not named, so Pre-Prep doesn't work with it. Ironically, the one time Pre-Prep actually works with Chaos Form is if you have a Magician of Chaos in the graveyard, since his name becomes Dark Magician and Dark Magician is specifically named on Chaos Form, allowing you to add Chaos Form to your hand from the deck and MoC to your hand from the graveyard.

Edit: Similarly, you can add Revendread Slayer to your hand with Pre-Prep via Revendread Origin, which specifically names him, or Vendread Scavenger via Ravenous Vendread, for the same reason. Chimera, Executor, and Battlelord cannot be searched via Pre-Prep since they are not specifically named on any Vendread ritual spell, as while Executor's name can become Revendread Slayer, this is only while he's on the field, which is not either of the search locations that Pre-Preparation of Rites can retrieve a copy from.

[skill issue]

is very simple you can pre-prep something only if the exact/specific name of the monster is on the ritual spell. that's why generic ritual spells aren't searchable with pre-prep. with vendread you can only search for vendread origin + slayer. Don't confuse PRE-preparation with "preparation of rites" 2 different cards