What card symbolises the game's decline?

[Sov]

((DISCLAIMER: NOT SAYING THIS CARD IS BROKEN, JUST AN EXAMPLE OF YGO'S DECLINE IN CARD DESIGN FROM THE OG ERA))

I think "Blue Eyes Alternative White Dragon" symbolises the decline of the game pretty well. It essentially has no cost other then "showing a blue eyes" for a free 3000 ATK monster with a destruction effect.

Its just the best example of the modern era of Yu-Gi-Oh. No, its NOT that powerful but it represents the "something for nothing" era really well, where most cards have minimal costs to actually use. I think that's the thing I don't like about modern yu-gi-oh more then anything else, there are no costs or drawbacks to using cards these days and costs have become more and more pathetic.

Cards like Raigeki and Harpies Feather Duster were banned for a reason for a very long time, because they have no cost for a really powerful effect and rightfully so. There should be real costs or drawbacks to using certain cards in the game because that's what creates enjoyment, an actual risk of cost.

Cards these days are all benefit/benefit rather then benefit/cost. I don't think its unfair to bring up this criticism, a lot of video games in the modern era are very benefit/benefit rather then actually have costs to them.

Cursed Seal of Forbidden Spell is a good example of a well designed card, a very powerful effect at the cost of losing a potentially powerful magic card, especially if you need to extend your combos so you need to make an active decision with it. If it was designed today, it would be "you may" rather then "you must" and cards like Guiding Aradine make the cost aspect completely redundant anyway.

Blue Eyes, Red Eyes and Dark Magician have all become bloated messes in this era sadly because of this philosophy.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Ba ha ha ha, you didn't even check my Dota "guides"? If you went to even read them, you'll notice that they are mainly satire with some bits and pieces of useful information.

The only actual guide was the Templar Assassin one, and back when I used to play I had some say on that character. I was playing seriously around TI4 to TI6. I went from bellow 100 MMR to over 4k in a little over a month, and at the time the highest MMR like 6k, with my winrate on TA at the end of that climb was around 70%, so I think I knew what I was doing on the character pretty well.

And yes, I would never counter pick, I would even pick TA against characters that supposedly counter her such as Viper or Pudge, and I would almost always first pick, so yea...

As for your YGO tirade of how it should be about building a deck I like, that's what I'm doing, that's my most played decks are decks that I own irl as well and play them a lot. I don't even own a Runick deck and I only got Spright card for my Twins. I also don't have a Branded Despia or Mathmech decks, so the past few metas I didn't built any of the decks, I just play my favourite decks, but that doesn't mean I don't build them to be optimal and with what the meta is in mind.

[Sov]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Ba ha ha ha, you didn't even check my Dota "guides"? If you went to even read them, you'll notice that they are mainly satire with some bits and pieces of useful information.

The only actual guide was the Templar Assassin one, and back when I used to play I had some say on that character. I was playing seriously around TI4 to TI6. I went from bellow 100 MMR to over 4k in a little over a month, and at the time the highest MMR like 6k, with my winrate on TA at the end of that climb was around 70%, so I think I knew what I was doing on the character pretty well.

And yes, I would never counter pick, I would even pick TA against characters that supposedly counter her such as Viper or Pudge, and I would almost always first pick, so yea...

As for your YGO tirade of how it should be about building a deck I like, that's what I'm doing, that's my most played decks are decks that I own irl as well and play them a lot. I don't even own a Runick deck and I only got Spright card for my Twins. I also don't have a Branded Despia or Mathmech decks, so the past few metas I didn't built any of the decks, I just play my favourite decks, but that doesn't mean I don't build them to be optimal and with what the meta is in mind.

No, I did not read them, I just did what you did, went through previous posts trying to find evidence to discredit you, as you did me because that's the game now correct? We just try to insult each other as people rather then coming to agreement that we both have different perspectives on a game and neither is right or wrong.

[Lazer]

Access Code Talker is the embodiment of idiotic modern game design
-Your opponent has zero spell speed 2 cards to negate his effects or destroy him well he/she loses the game
-ending the game at any moment, going from a resource heavy system with who is having more cards wins to an unga bunga subversion game (only benefiting combo decks of course)

-senless high ATK power and popping almost every card you want, and dealing 5000 Attack damage to your life point, couldnt just be one of this effect

-No one can respond to it, its shutting off many interruptions like Ghost Ogre or your Called by the Grave and Ice Dragons prison to lower its Attack points when he targets a link monster from the graveyard for a boost. Yeah very interactive game design.

-The card literally only benefits combo players. For every control deck this card is a complete waste of resources, summoning away your 3500 Attack Eldlich and Lord of the Heavenly prison sounds right lol? Even in Skystriker this card is a waste, you only want to special summon him if you have a guarantee for 8000 and more damage, and usually only if you have barley any Striker engine left

-Access Code Talker even is a failure to out other degeneracy like the @Ignister Arrival mostly at 6000 Attack points, Access Code will always have 5300 Attack at best. Link 4 + another monster is impossible. And of course this stupid card still has more attack with link 3 than any target for your Dogmatica Punishment monsters shutting down another common trap deck stapple with its effect that should have been an out.

Yeah just a toxic card overall for the game, there is no redeeming factor.

[Papa Shekels]

Originally posted by Lazer:

-Access Code Talker even is a failure to out other degeneracy like the @Ignister Arrival mostly at 6000 Attack points, Access Code will always have 5300 Attack at best. Link 4 + another monster is impossible.

It is theoretically possible, just not accessible to most decks. There is nothing stopping you from summoning underworld goddess and then using her as link-1 material, then the accesscode can go up to 7300 attack. There isn't really any deck that can do that in one turn without locking you out of summoning at least one of them, but it can come up in a longer game if you just happen to still have it sitting around or you have a way of reviving a link-5

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

For me, it was around 2015, around the intro of Zoodiacs, where the game truly spiraled.

On top of that, 3 EX Deck summonings were enough, Pendulums and Links were a mistake.

[brago90]

If with ''decline'' you mean change in course to what it is now I would say the gravekeepers, the first archetype of the game.

After all, it is the existence of archetypes what turned Yugioh in Yugioh.

This simple event caused the game to differentiate and develop its own identity which ended up making it one of the most played card games in the world.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Vivas:

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Ba ha ha ha, you didn't even check my Dota "guides"? If you went to even read them, you'll notice that they are mainly satire with some bits and pieces of useful information.

The only actual guide was the Templar Assassin one, and back when I used to play I had some say on that character. I was playing seriously around TI4 to TI6. I went from bellow 100 MMR to over 4k in a little over a month, and at the time the highest MMR like 6k, with my winrate on TA at the end of that climb was around 70%, so I think I knew what I was doing on the character pretty well.

And yes, I would never counter pick, I would even pick TA against characters that supposedly counter her such as Viper or Pudge, and I would almost always first pick, so yea...

As for your YGO tirade of how it should be about building a deck I like, that's what I'm doing, that's my most played decks are decks that I own irl as well and play them a lot. I don't even own a Runick deck and I only got Spright card for my Twins. I also don't have a Branded Despia or Mathmech decks, so the past few metas I didn't built any of the decks, I just play my favourite decks, but that doesn't mean I don't build them to be optimal and with what the meta is in mind.

No, I did not read them, I just did what you did, went through previous posts trying to find evidence to discredit you, as you did me because that's the game now correct? We just try to insult each other as people rather then coming to agreement that we both have different perspectives on a game and neither is right or wrong.

Just ignore him. Mods already got rid of him. Serves him right. Elitelist behavior is all he show.

[Sov]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Originally posted by Vivas:

No, I did not read them, I just did what you did, went through previous posts trying to find evidence to discredit you, as you did me because that's the game now correct? We just try to insult each other as people rather then coming to agreement that we both have different perspectives on a game and neither is right or wrong.

Just ignore him. Mods already got rid of him. Serves him right. Elitelist behavior is all he show.

Wow, I'm shocked, I was not expecting that kind of action to be taken.

[Akemua]

Originally posted by Vivas:

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Just ignore him. Mods already got rid of him. Serves him right. Elitelist behavior is all he show.

Wow, I'm shocked, I was not expecting that kind of action to be taken.

Press [x] to doubt. Then again, you're not unaccustomed to getting banned. Ya, I memba you're tirade against Gen-z that earned you a forum ban.

[Soren]

Originally posted by Akemua:

Originally posted by Vivas:

Wow, I'm shocked, I was not expecting that kind of action to be taken.

Press [x] to doubt. Then again, you're not unaccustomed to getting banned. Ya, I memba you're tirade against Gen-z that earned you a forum ban.

Kids nowadays. Nobody wants to work towards a permaban because Gen Z is lazy and entitled. They're always fishing for day or week long bans instead.

[Sov]

Originally posted by Akemua:

Originally posted by Vivas:

Wow, I'm shocked, I was not expecting that kind of action to be taken.

Press [x] to doubt. Then again, you're not unaccustomed to getting banned. Ya, I memba you're tirade against Gen-z that earned you a forum ban.

I didn't get banned though, that other person did. I am not used to moderators making decisions like that as normally, they go with what's popular.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Originally posted by Vivas:

Originally posted by Akemua:

Press [x] to doubt. Then again, you're not unaccustomed to getting banned. Ya, I memba you're tirade against Gen-z that earned you a forum ban.

I didn't get banned though, that other person did. I am not used to moderators making decisions like that as normally, they go with what's popular.

What was the offending post that got CC Anubis banned?

[TokoWH]

I always considered Castel, the Skyblaster Musketter as what herald the current card design philosophy of Yu-Gi-Oh.

While it's no longer used now, when it debuted, it single handedly killed the viability of so many decks at even a casual level it was insane. It so easy to out every single previous archetype boss monster for the cost of two level 4s that it's what I feel caused the most drastic change the game in the games history.

Every new boss monster either had to have 'cannot be targeted by card effects' or 'is unaffected by card effects' in order to be viable. That, or a decks strategy had to focus more around getting a lot of good, replaceable extra deck monsters out instead of one big end game boss monster. And even ones that don't usually tend to be game enders you only bring out when you know you can go for the kill. (Accesscode Talker)

Even though Castel is no longer used, the repercussions of its introduction can still be felt today, I feel.

On a lesser extent, Ash Blossom, as I feel it was the first warning sign of how hand trap reliant the modern meta has become, which I personally feel is more of a band-aid to the current games problems more than a solution.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by TokoWH:

I always considered Castel, the Skyblaster Musketter as what herald the current card design philosophy of Yu-Gi-Oh.

While it's no longer used now, when it debuted, it single handedly killed the viability of so many decks at even a casual level it was insane. It so easy to out every single previous archetype boss monster for the cost of two level 4s that it's what I feel caused the most drastic change the game in the games history.

Every new boss monster either had to have 'cannot be targeted by card effects' or 'is unaffected by card effects' in order to be viable. That, or a decks strategy had to focus more around getting a lot of good, replaceable extra deck monsters out instead of one big end game boss monster. And even ones that don't usually tend to be game enders you only bring out when you know you can go for the kill. (Accesscode Talker)

Even though Castel is no longer used, the repercussions of its introduction can still be felt today, I feel.

On a lesser extent, Ash Blossom, as I feel it was the first warning sign of how hand trap reliant the modern meta has become, which I personally feel is more of a band-aid to the current games problems more than a solution.

As far as handtraps, Effect Veiler came first. Even in its anime appearance, it existed to prevent an FTK.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Originally posted by Vivas:

I didn't get banned though, that other person did. I am not used to moderators making decisions like that as normally, they go with what's popular.

What was the offending post that got CC Anubis banned?

No idea but his 10 min turn your fault topic got closed so properly that one.