Powercreep Has Completely Destroyed Any Sort Of Fun & Skill

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Yugioh has had card after card made that keeps pushing the boundries of power every single year and the result of this is the loss of any sort of strategy, fun or even basic interaction. At this point the game has basically come at the point where it clearly shows that most people playing generally just want other players to suffer and actively try to ruin the game for them by basically saying "ha you can't play I win".

Konami clearly doesn't care either as they keep printing card after card that is broken and then refuses to ban them because they know people will buy them. The health of the game does not matter to them as long as they make money and people are so braindead to let them get away with anything that they just buy everything and don't complain or do anything about it.

Every time there is problems created in the game, konami pretends to fix the problem by putting out cards to be band-aid fixes that only contribute to the overall powercreep and truly show just how little actual skill is involved in the game that it devolves into a state where any kind of bricking or not drawing a perfect hand going second is an auto loss as well as if you somehow get interrupted while going first and can't make a board that is unbeatable your opponent will going second and do it themselves and you auto lose then. The whole game at this point is you either open perfect or lose instantly.

Some fine examples of band-aid fix cards that show just how many problems are in this are as follows:

Kaijus, dark ruler no more etc. - These are specifically To counter unbreakable boards and endless negate spam that if you can't deal with means you auto lose.

The massive amount of handtraps like ash, imperm and more (of course maxx c as well)- These are required to even be able to survive going second because again endless negate spam, and whatever other unbreakable board the opponent makes.

Floodgates - Another thing that keeps being pushed are cancerous floodgates that truly show how bad this game has gotten in terms of lack of skill or interactivity. We are literally at the the point where konami even pushes floodgates and more to try and deal with the broken cards they put out.

Those are just some examples, there is one thing in common though with those examples that truly shows just how unbalanced this game, and that is the simple fact that your opponent can use them too. This means after they set up whatever unbeatable board they make that even if you someone manage to break that board and try to do anything yourself you will just be instantly prevented from doing anything due to all these cards that also back up those unbeatable boards. This is also not to even mention that for these cards to even help you, that you just have to hope you draw them (hence the open perfect or lose state of the game).

Finally the saddest thing of all is the playerbase, some people even try to lie and pretend that the game is perfectly healthy and balanced (these people are likely the ones who just play because they like to ruin the game for others). Another thing is that any criticism towards the state of the game is met with screams of cringe garbage like getting called "yugiboomer" and other braindead stuff (like just draw the out) just because people call out the horrible state of the game. Even this forum is like that and it is honestly pathetic.

It truly is a sad state of affairs.

[Yerc2]

So Konami's left with a conundrum.
Do they do something drastic to get rid of the stem of the issue, like adding a cap to special summons, or ban hundreds of cards so they can attempt to restore balance to this game in the long run. And hope that turns out well.
Or do they continue as things currently are?


Like the Legend Anthology event was pretty decent with back-and-forth gameplay and deck variation. But SO many meta, card advantage, and ED cards were banned.

The game being balanced into a direction where whoever goes first prevents their opponent from being able to play is a terrible direction IMO.

But then there's also the issue that if they add in a card(s) powerful enough to prevent first turn lockouts, then what stops it from being able to be used on future turns.
And what about non-meta decks that don't aim for turn 1 lockouts? Will those decks be destroyed by such a powerful card?

I would prefer it if games weren't decided at the coinflip, lasted longer than 3 turns, and if individual turns couldn't last for an obnoxiously long time. But they'd need to uproot tons of spaghetti balancing to temporarily accomplish that. And who knows where the best spot to stop would be.

I say temporary because if their end goal is to sell cards, and they use powercreep to do so, then this is an issue that will always persist and will come back no matter how many times they (try to) fix it.

They've balanced themselves into a hole. And I don't see any reasonable way for Konami to fix it at this point.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

If you think a special summon limit will be accepted by the community you clearly don't know this community.

Master Rule 4 caused such a backlash from casual and competitive players alike that Konami almost fully reverted it, only Pendulums have to play by MR4 rules.

You are in a minority, the fact that all this crying you do about "turn 1 lockout" doesn't come anywhere near what happened with MR4 proves it.

When people weren't able to play the decks they like even casually because of the new rules, they didn't stay silent, and you think an even harsher restriction will be accepted by the community?

Then again, I can't expect someone who can't even name the decks he cries about to know anything about the Yu-Gi-Oh community outside of the bubble he's in.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Originally posted by Yerc2:

So Konami's left with a conundrum.
Do they do something drastic to get rid of the stem of the issue, like adding a cap to special summons, or ban hundreds of cards so they can attempt to restore balance to this game in the long run. And hope that turns out well.
Or do they continue as things currently are?


Like the Legend Anthology event was pretty decent with back-and-forth gameplay and deck variation. But SO many meta, card advantage, and ED cards were banned.

The game being balanced into a direction where whoever goes first prevents their opponent from being able to play is a terrible direction IMO.

But then there's also the issue that if they add in a card(s) powerful enough to prevent first turn lockouts, then what stops it from being able to be used on future turns.
And what about non-meta decks that don't aim for turn 1 lockouts? Will those decks be destroyed by such a powerful card?

I would prefer it if games weren't decided at the coinflip, lasted longer than 3 turns, and if individual turns couldn't last for an obnoxiously long time. But they'd need to uproot tons of spaghetti balancing to temporarily accomplish that. And who knows where the best spot to stop would be.

I say temporary because if their end goal is to sell cards, and they use powercreep to do so, then this is an issue that will always persist and will come back no matter how many times they (try to) fix it.

They've balanced themselves into a hole. And I don't see any reasonable way for Konami to fix it at this point.

The best thing that konami can actually do with the least amount of damage is a huge massive banlist to tone down the power level of the game significantly imo. Honestly they could ban every single card in the game that is a floodgate for example and the game would be so much healthier, as after all floodgates have done nothing but devolve the game into something worse than what it can be. Same with cards that provide way to much advantage for to little effort and lead to the unbreakable turn 1 gamestates.

As for special summoning, I don't think a lock on that would be good as that doesnt solve the issue as the broken cards will still be there and just make the strongest negate, floodgate and more cards in whatever special summons the game would be limited to at that moment. Not to mention some trash decks special summon a lot and still do nothing. The actual problem here isnt the mechanic but rather the powercrept cards abusing it.

The game being a coinflip sim is a massive problem that definitely needs to be fixed.

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

Unfair Floodgates are a mistake. Links and Pendulums are a mistake.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

I find it borderline hilarious.

You call us trolls and what not, yet it's always you that never have any proof for your claims.

Whenever you're asked to prove your claims, you run away and report people in the hopes of silencing them.

What was that saying? "If you cut off a man's tongue, you're not proving that he says is wrong, you're proving that you're afraid of what he has to say".

Let's look at it objectively, Aldain is also someone who doesn't really like modern Yu-Gi-Oh due to consistency and is an advocate of the scorched earth banlist. So why isn't he getting the same treatment as you guys get? Why aren't people "trolling" him the same way they "troll" you? I'll tell you why, because he has a good grasp of the game so you can have a meaningful discussion with him, as well as he's able to bring proof of stuff he claims, unlike you.

If we go only by facts, aka, what was discussed on the forum, you are the ones behaving like trolls. Make dumb claims, when asked to prove them, you run away and make the same claims in another thread. That's how trolls act, and that's your exact behaviour.

[Yerc2]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

Unfair Floodgates are a mistake. Links and Pendulums are a mistake.

I would say that the mechanics themselves aren't bad.
But when powerful cards with little/no restriction/cost are introduced, they can have the consequence of helping people set up boards that prevent their opponent from being able to play.

Heck, Konami could do something silly like add in a card with "If you have this card in your opening hand, win the duel", and the game would end up in a better position in terms of balance than it is currently, as the player going second would have a chance to win as well!
Sure, it would take the gameplay out of the game when it's effect activates, but the gameplay is already pretty moot when the meta revolves around player1 consistently preventing player2 from playing.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

I find it borderline hilarious.

You call us trolls and what not, yet it's always you that never have any proof for your claims.

Whenever you're asked to prove your claims, you run away and report people in the hopes of silencing them.

What was that saying? "If you cut off a man's tongue, you're not proving that he says is wrong, you're proving that you're afraid of what he has to say".

Let's look at it objectively, Aldain is also someone who doesn't really like modern Yu-Gi-Oh due to consistency and is an advocate of the scorched earth banlist. So why isn't he getting the same treatment as you guys get? Why aren't people "trolling" him the same way they "troll" you? I'll tell you why, because he has a good grasp of the game so you can have a meaningful discussion with him, as well as he's able to bring proof of stuff he claims, unlike you.

If we go only by facts, aka, what was discussed on the forum, you are the ones behaving like trolls. Make dumb claims, when asked to prove them, you run away and make the same claims in another thread. That's how trolls act, and that's your exact behaviour.

Both of you do nothing but spam the same ♥♥♥♥ in all threads and spew your garbage of calling all people who disagree with you yugi boomers. You both literally go to every single thread here and do this. Stop pretending you are not a troll.

Either way this will be the last I respond to you or the other one as if you refuse to actually discuss the topic I will just report yall for trying to derail the thread. Act like an adult or don't post simple as that.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by 𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼:

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

I find it borderline hilarious.

You call us trolls and what not, yet it's always you that never have any proof for your claims.

Whenever you're asked to prove your claims, you run away and report people in the hopes of silencing them.

What was that saying? "If you cut off a man's tongue, you're not proving that he says is wrong, you're proving that you're afraid of what he has to say".

Let's look at it objectively, Aldain is also someone who doesn't really like modern Yu-Gi-Oh due to consistency and is an advocate of the scorched earth banlist. So why isn't he getting the same treatment as you guys get? Why aren't people "trolling" him the same way they "troll" you? I'll tell you why, because he has a good grasp of the game so you can have a meaningful discussion with him, as well as he's able to bring proof of stuff he claims, unlike you.

If we go only by facts, aka, what was discussed on the forum, you are the ones behaving like trolls. Make dumb claims, when asked to prove them, you run away and make the same claims in another thread. That's how trolls act, and that's your exact behaviour.

Both of you do nothing but spam the same ♥♥♥♥ in all threads and spew your garbage of calling all people who disagree with you yugi boomers. You both literally go to every single thread here and do this. Stop pretending you are not a troll.

Either way this will be the last I respond to you or the other one as if you refuse to actually discuss the topic I will just report yall for trying to derail the thread. Act like an adult or don't post simple as that.

But I'm not derailing, I was replying to Yerc's desire of a summon limit as a game mechanic.

And no, we're not calling everyone who doesn't agree with us names, we're only doing it to those who can't even defend their own claims with proof.

It's not our fault some people have an illogical hate towards modern Yu-Gi-Oh.

[Yerc2]

Originally posted by gredora:

Originally posted by 𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼:

Both of you do nothing but spam the same ♥♥♥♥ in all threads and spew your garbage of calling all people who disagree with you yugi boomers. You both literally go to every single thread here and do this. Stop pretending you are not a troll.

Either way this will be the last I respond to you or the other one as if you refuse to actually discuss the topic I will just report yall for trying to derail the thread. Act like an adult or don't post simple as that.

YEAH. GET EM BOSS.

SHOW THEM ANYONE WHO LIKES ANYTHING RELEASED AFTER 2005 IN THIS GAME IS A SHILL.

Acknowledging the mechanics in the game, and the state of the game is not the same as disliking things released after 2005, or disagreeing with people that like stuff released after that time.

Some people just want the game to be more than a coinflip.

Those are two completely different things. It's possible to like newer things, but not like how the winner is decided by a coinflip due to the advantage that player 1 has.

Originally posted by gredora:

If Yerc wants Summon Limit as an entire game mechanic, I have just the thing for them.

Trinity format, go there and have fun.
https://trinityygo.wixsite.com/trinityygo/rules


inb4: Not until Konami makes this a real thing.

I did not say that I wanted a summon limit though.
It just seems like most of the ostensible issues that relate to preventing player interaction stem from the card advantage and control that turn-1 mass summoning can result in.

So if Konami ever wanted to try to change that, they would have to do something about as drastic as gimping the mechanic, or banning hundreds of cards.

I think it both of those options would be questionable though, as it would be effectively getting rid of stuff that both Konami and players have built.
But I'm just trying to point out how I think Konami has balanced themselves into a hole where there are downsides no matter what they do, even if they don't do anything.

[Knud den Store 🧙‍♂]

You "Meta is unfair"
Me beating meta with U.A: "Meta is fun fair"

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Yerc2:

I have never said that I wanted a summon limit.

Originally posted by Yerc2:

So Konami's left with a conundrum.
Do they do something drastic to get rid of the stem of the issue, like adding a cap to special summons

You also made that suggestion in the past as well. If you don't want it, why do you keep putting it forward as a solution?

[Chaos 混沌 カオス]

And OP is banned. What the hell?

[Blank]

It's time to make some pasta, what kind? Don't know, but it will be pasta.

[Cinnamoon_dragon]

Originally posted by Blank:

It's time to make some pasta, what kind? Don't know, but it will be pasta.

Creamy tuna garlic pasta with parmesan cheese, healthy, and comforting.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Chaos 混沌 カオス:

And OP is banned. What the hell?

The haters finally got him.