Meta decks are literally easier to use.

[R for Reload]

I started using swordsoul and I've never had such an easy time getting my summons right and winning duels, It's literally so much easier, No thinking required.

[aben WHY (VC Off)]

The deck have a pretty high skill ceiling when mixed with Yang Zing/Tenyi. But yes, it can be a "normal summon aleister" deck if you play pure.

[aben WHY (VC Off)]

Originally posted by Lord Pendragon:

Yes all the decks play themselves now, because nobody actually wants to build a deck. And even with the decks playing and building themselves now they just copy some one elses deck.

More like because we are playing in a solved format and lagging few month behind real cards. It's hard to come up with brand new decks when there's existing deck that does what you want to do but better(namely Tenyi Swordsoul/Preda branded/Floodgate Runick/Any ftk).

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Yeah the meta is filled with damn near autopilot decks.

People complained about Floo being basic but my God...Branded, SS and Runick are far more basic. At least Floo tends to run wonky tech cards like Slifer that you just don't see often.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Yeah the meta is filled with damn near autopilot decks.

People complained about Floo being basic but my God...Branded, SS and Runick are far more basic. At least Floo tends to run wonky tech cards like Slifer that you just don't see often.

All those decks can run wonky tech cards, and do. You see Runick mixes all the time.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Yeah the meta is filled with damn near autopilot decks.

People complained about Floo being basic but my God...Branded, SS and Runick are far more basic. At least Floo tends to run wonky tech cards like Slifer that you just don't see often.

All those decks can run wonky tech cards, and do. You see Runick mixes all the time.

Eh, sure I mean you can see stuff like Branded Blue-Eyes or whatever but they're typically jank decks that don't compete well lol.

Runick is mostly an engine with interruption, just like Eldlich when MD was released, you can combine it with other appropriate stuff. Nature of the archetype.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Yeah the meta is filled with damn near autopilot decks.

Doing the same combo over and over again is the only thing they can. Summon this, special summon that. Fusion summon into boss monster rinse/repeat until he got whole board full of monsters that wont allow you to play with your currect hand.

And if you managed to take down his fort of monsters then he pulls out 10 graveyard effects just to bring out another high lvl monster without paying anything to bring it out.

Hence why low cost high value monsters should be limited more.

And the same people that play those kind of decks are the same that chicken away if he cant get a free win out of it.

Spine less players that cant take the L like a man.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Yeah the meta is filled with damn near autopilot decks.

Doing the same combo over and over again is the only thing they can. Summon this, special summon that. Fusion summon into boss monster rinse/repeat until he got whole board full of monsters that wont allow you to play with your currect hand.

And if you managed to take down his fort of monsters then he pulls out 10 graveyard effects just to bring out another high lvl monster without paying anything to bring it out.

Hence why low cost high value monsters should be limited more.

And the same people that play those kind of decks are the same that chicken away if he cant get a free win out of it.

Spine less players that cant take the L like a man.

Its typically the only thing they need. low effort sword soul combos are a lv10 synchro and lv 8 synchro. thats at least 3 points of interruption that was started with 1 card which they have 6+ copies of in deck. if they dont draw mo yi they drew ecclesia or the search spell

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Yeah the meta is filled with damn near autopilot decks.

Doing the same combo over and over again is the only thing they can. Summon this, special summon that. Fusion summon into boss monster rinse/repeat until he got whole board full of monsters that wont allow you to play with your currect hand.

And if you managed to take down his fort of monsters then he pulls out 10 graveyard effects just to bring out another high lvl monster without paying anything to bring it out.

Hence why low cost high value monsters should be limited more.

And the same people that play those kind of decks are the same that chicken away if he cant get a free win out of it.

Spine less players that cant take the L like a man.

Then I'm sure you can name those combo decks that "make a full board of monsters that won't allow you to play with your currect hand", right?

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Doing the same combo over and over again is the only thing they can. Summon this, special summon that. Fusion summon into boss monster rinse/repeat until he got whole board full of monsters that wont allow you to play with your currect hand.

And if you managed to take down his fort of monsters then he pulls out 10 graveyard effects just to bring out another high lvl monster without paying anything to bring it out.

Hence why low cost high value monsters should be limited more.

And the same people that play those kind of decks are the same that chicken away if he cant get a free win out of it.

Spine less players that cant take the L like a man.

Then I'm sure you can name those combo decks that "make a full board of monsters that won't allow you to play with your currect hand", right?

Especially the ones that rebuild all of it with graveyard effects. That's actually the accurate part, as modern decks have moved away from 6-negate boards in favor of ones that don't automatically lose if you manage to break them. Because they will be broken if your opponent knows what they're doing and draws half as well as you did.

[Dad]

We get it - you play unique, fringe decks and want everyone to know. Welcome to every card game ever where a decks place in the meta is often measured by how powerful and how consistent it is.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

All those decks can run wonky tech cards, and do. You see Runick mixes all the time.

Eh, sure I mean you can see stuff like Branded Blue-Eyes or whatever but they're typically jank decks that don't compete well lol.

Runick is mostly an engine with interruption, just like Eldlich when MD was released, you can combine it with other appropriate stuff. Nature of the archetype.

Thats because when people combined them the ones that worked became the Meta which people copied. You can't expect anything else to work without becoming a new Meta itself shortly after. Branded Despia and Branded Predaplant were just the most effective combinations people found.

You can still make decks about as strong as those mixes though and people do while looking for those new Meta level decks. What exactly would you consider a good deck to be at the top? Something has to be Tier 1 after all so give an example of a deck that isn't "auto pilot" or whatever else. You know, the perfect type of Meta deck.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Eh, sure I mean you can see stuff like Branded Blue-Eyes or whatever but they're typically jank decks that don't compete well lol.

Runick is mostly an engine with interruption, just like Eldlich when MD was released, you can combine it with other appropriate stuff. Nature of the archetype.

Thats because when people combined them the ones that worked became the Meta which people copied. You can't expect anything else to work without becoming a new Meta itself shortly after. Branded Despia and Branded Predaplant were just the most effective combinations people found.

You can still make decks about as strong as those mixes though and people do while looking for those new Meta level decks. What exactly would you consider a good deck to be at the top? Something has to be Tier 1 after all so give an example of a deck that isn't "auto pilot" or whatever else. You know, the perfect type of Meta deck.

Tiers are misleading because they're primarily about popularity. Mind you weak stuff doesn't tend to be popular but we've also seen multiple boneheaded decisions in the past that are firmly grounded in trending (less so in MD, TCG's absolute refusal to abuse Dragoon with Necro Fusion/Trap Trick when Dragoon/Verte combo wasn't power crept into mediocrity imo is a great example).

To that end I'd suggest that the best meta decks typically are the most efficient, with the least amount of janky tech cards unless those techs work explicitly with the archetype like Slifer does in Floo.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Thats because when people combined them the ones that worked became the Meta which people copied. You can't expect anything else to work without becoming a new Meta itself shortly after. Branded Despia and Branded Predaplant were just the most effective combinations people found.

You can still make decks about as strong as those mixes though and people do while looking for those new Meta level decks. What exactly would you consider a good deck to be at the top? Something has to be Tier 1 after all so give an example of a deck that isn't "auto pilot" or whatever else. You know, the perfect type of Meta deck.

Tiers are misleading because they're primarily about popularity. Mind you weak stuff doesn't tend to be popular but we've also seen multiple boneheaded decisions in the past that are firmly grounded in trending (less so in MD, TCG's absolute refusal to abuse Dragoon with Necro Fusion/Trap Trick when Dragoon/Verte combo wasn't power crept into mediocrity imo is a great example).

To that end I'd suggest that the best meta decks typically are the most efficient, with the least amount of janky tech cards unless those techs work explicitly with the archetype like Slifer does in Floo.

Not what I asked. I asked what you think would be the best tier 1. The concept of Tiers and why things are Tier 1 doesn't matter to this question because whether its because its popular or powerful doesn't change the fact that in this hypothetical scenario it would be tier 1. You complained about Autopilot decks so I asked what deck you wouldn't complain about if it was Meta. Your pick for Tier 1.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Tiers are misleading because they're primarily about popularity. Mind you weak stuff doesn't tend to be popular but we've also seen multiple boneheaded decisions in the past that are firmly grounded in trending (less so in MD, TCG's absolute refusal to abuse Dragoon with Necro Fusion/Trap Trick when Dragoon/Verte combo wasn't power crept into mediocrity imo is a great example).

To that end I'd suggest that the best meta decks typically are the most efficient, with the least amount of janky tech cards unless those techs work explicitly with the archetype like Slifer does in Floo.

Not what I asked. I asked what you think would be the best tier 1. The concept of Tiers and why things are Tier 1 doesn't matter to this question because whether its because its popular or powerful doesn't change the fact that in this hypothetical scenario it would be tier 1. You complained about Autopilot decks so I asked what deck you wouldn't complain about if it was Meta. Your pick for Tier 1.

Your question is pointless, I told you why. Accept it or move on. Either way, I don't care.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Not what I asked. I asked what you think would be the best tier 1. The concept of Tiers and why things are Tier 1 doesn't matter to this question because whether its because its popular or powerful doesn't change the fact that in this hypothetical scenario it would be tier 1. You complained about Autopilot decks so I asked what deck you wouldn't complain about if it was Meta. Your pick for Tier 1.

Your question is pointless, I told you why. Accept it or move on. Either way, I don't care.

No such thing as a pointless question. If you have no actual idea then why complain about the nature of the current meta? That was the point, to see if you even knew what you were talking about and it seems that you didn't. Farewell.