How do you beat a monster with all immune?

[Kumoko]

there are certain cards that are immune to cannot be destroyed by battle and card effects lol and some of them have like 3.5k+ attack

[Silamon]

Originally posted by Mistic-Gohan:

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

I know that's how it works with Jinzo, but can't remember how unaffected works. This sort of thing is why MtG is on record that it can't do "unaffected" (while stuff like Prophecy and Archfiends are why it says it can't do Yugioh-style partial name matching)

Unfortunately doesn't work - field tested with Geomathmech Final Sigma.

The problem is that negate doesn't equal card text being erased.

If skill drain is already active on the field an unaffected monster will still be negated.

For example, Ancient gear chaos golem will be negated by a skill drain that is already active.
Ancient gear chaos golem can be boosted by power bond as well, just like howitzer. If it didn't work on your final sigma there were other things in play that protected it until it was on the field, when its own effect could protect it.

Also, a negated monster is in fact treated as a vanilla monster. You can activate it's effects sure, but it won't work and any protections that were on the card are removed if it is negated.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by Mistic-Gohan:

Unfortunately doesn't work - field tested with Geomathmech Final Sigma.

The problem is that negate doesn't equal card text being erased.

If skill drain is already active on the field an unaffected monster will still be negated.

For example, Ancient gear chaos golem will be negated by a skill drain that is already active.
Ancient gear chaos golem can be boosted by power bond as well, just like howitzer. If it didn't work on your final sigma there were other things in play that protected it until it was on the field, when its own effect could protect it.

Also, a negated monster is in fact treated as a vanilla monster. You can activate it's effects sure, but it won't work and any protections that were on the card are removed if it is negated.

Caveat there: many negates only negate if it's still on the field when it resolves. Dinowrestler Pankratops, will successfully destroy Skill Drain if he tributes himself for his effect (which he pretty much always will because what other Dinowrestler would anyone play? )

EDIT: Also, Lair of Darkness doesn't work on Final Sigma because the attribute-changing effect doesn't work and it's therefore not a DARK monster.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

Originally posted by Silamon:

If skill drain is already active on the field an unaffected monster will still be negated.

For example, Ancient gear chaos golem will be negated by a skill drain that is already active.
Ancient gear chaos golem can be boosted by power bond as well, just like howitzer. If it didn't work on your final sigma there were other things in play that protected it until it was on the field, when its own effect could protect it.

Also, a negated monster is in fact treated as a vanilla monster. You can activate it's effects sure, but it won't work and any protections that were on the card are removed if it is negated.

Caveat there: many negates only negate if it's still on the field when it resolves. Dinowrestler Pankratops, will successfully destroy Skill Drain if he tributes himself for his effect (which he pretty much always will because what other Dinowrestler would anyone play? )

EDIT: Also, Lair of Darkness doesn't work on Final Sigma because the attribute-changing effect doesn't work and it's therefore not a DARK monster.

Yes, that is true. A permanent negate will not work though even if the monster gets tributed. It works against skill drain because that only affects monsters on the field. If your card gets hit by lost wind or imperm the effect is still negated even if it leaves the field.

For your edit, that's not true. Even if Final Sigma were a dark monster it still would not work, because Lair of darkness's ability to tribute an opponents monster is an effect.

[Dan Niton]

There are so many ways to get rid of cards with "unaffected by card effects". Kaiju is the most common way, nibiru if that card itself hit the 5 summon threshold, Underworld goddess and then there are cards that force the controller of that card to remove his own monster from the field, and finally cards that use your opponent's monster as material for special summon(cards like super poly).

[ChaosBahamut]

Originally posted by Dan Niton:

There are so many ways to get rid of cards with "unaffected by card effects". Kaiju is the most common way, nibiru if that card itself hit the 5 summon threshold, Underworld goddess and then there are cards that force the controller of that card to remove his own monster from the field, and finally cards that use your opponent's monster as material for special summon(cards like super poly).

Super Poly won't work, as it using monsters as material is part of an effect.

Now if an extra deck monster's summoning procedure involved using an opponent's monster (like Chimeratech Fortress Dragon), that'd be different as there's no effect being used there.

I also don't think Nibiru would work, as it's summoned via its effect; whereas kaijus are summoned via their summoning procedures.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by ChaosBahamut:

Originally posted by Dan Niton:

There are so many ways to get rid of cards with "unaffected by card effects". Kaiju is the most common way, nibiru if that card itself hit the 5 summon threshold, Underworld goddess and then there are cards that force the controller of that card to remove his own monster from the field, and finally cards that use your opponent's monster as material for special summon(cards like super poly).

Super Poly won't work, as it using monsters as material is part of an effect.

Now if an extra deck monster's summoning procedure involved using an opponent's monster (like Chimeratech Fortress Dragon), that'd be different as there's no effect being used there.

I also don't think Nibiru would work, as it's summoned via its effect; whereas kaijus are summoned via their summoning procedures.

The important thing is usually whether it is a cost or not, basically anything before a semicolon doesn't care about protections because it is a cost.

Nibiru's tribute is part of its effect, not its cost, so no it won't work.

[dabestgamer]

Originally posted by HeraldOfOpera:

I know that's how it works with Jinzo, but can't remember how unaffected works.

"Unaffected" vs Skill Drain is about the same as Jinzo vs Skill Drain.

If Skill Drain is already face-up, then Jinzo's or the normally-unaffected-monster's effects are negated.

But if Jinzo or the unaffected monster is face-up on the field first, then Jinzo will prevent the activation of Skill Drain and the unaffected monster would just be unaffected.

[Throwing Combinations]

Use lava golem or branded despia, basically a mechanic that lets you tribute summon fusion summon etc using enemy cards, 99.9% of the time it works

[Terminal Desolation]

Originally posted by Throwing Combinations:

Use lava golem or branded despia, basically a mechanic that lets you tribute summon fusion summon etc using enemy cards, 99.9% of the time it works

1.) you can't fusion summon using an effect-immune monster as fusion summoning is an effect, so this isn't correct
2.) this thread is OVER 2 YEARS OLD how the hell did you even find this to necro anyway?

[June]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.