Runick

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Genuinely how did we go from Adventurer being "bad" because it bounced one card to this in less than a year. Like this powercreep has been genuinely insane.

[JKArtorias]

Now imagine if Mystic Mine was unbanned with Runick. But i do agree, i didn't think there Field Spell was that cracked. Combine the deck with the usual ♥♥♥♥ and it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Runick Tip is basically Pot of Greed for the deck on either players turn.

But maybe that's cause i'm playing Labrynth/Exosister. Which literally cannot play if you banish my ♥♥♥♥.

[Merilirem]

Runick is pretty cool to be sure. I have no idea how anyone wouldn't see that immediately. Though my idea's for the deck weren't quite the same as what is being run.

My 60 card chaos decks don't like the banishing floodgates but other than that its not a big deal to me. Was enough of a pain to make me add 3 copies of Necroface which completely ruins them when it gets hit. They end up milling themselves lol. Super funny.

Its a pretty tough match for a lot of decks though. So much backrow going on in the current event. Kinda refreshing.

[Neptuna]

Adventurer was "bad" because it was consistent, a free omni-negate, a bounce and in basically every deck.

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by JKArtorias:

Now imagine if Mystic Mine was unbanned with Runick. But i do agree, i didn't think there Field Spell was that cracked. Combine the deck with the usual ♥♥♥♥ and it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Runick Tip is basically Pot of Greed for the deck on either players turn.

But maybe that's cause i'm playing Labrynth/Exosister. Which literally cannot play if you banish my ♥♥♥♥.

Ban pot of greed and adds 3x Max C and other cards that has an even more busted effect then that card.

Just one of top 100 reasons why this game are losing 3000 players/month.

[Cinnamoon_dragon]

I think the only problem with this deck is how they can abuse all those Pot of greeds every turn. Card of Demise, Pot of Duality, Runick Fountain, without these cards this deck would be a trash tier

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Neptuna:

Adventurer was "bad" because it was consistent, a free omni-negate, a bounce and in basically every deck.

That's not even the reason as to why Adventure was considered a toxic engine when it came out. Not even close.

The omni-negate effect would never be used in any deck that could fully abuse the engine. The strength of the engine came from the fact that you got a free level 4 and 7 on board that you could search.

Half the time the level 7 wouldn't even be used and it'd be used purely as a searchable body for Halq plays.

Adventure Tenyi was the reason everybody ♥♥♥♥♥♥ hated the Adventure engine. The Engine is still seeing play in Familiar Possessed, Plunder Patrol, PK and other PK.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Originally posted by JKArtorias:

Now imagine if Mystic Mine was unbanned with Runick. But i do agree, i didn't think there Field Spell was that cracked. Combine the deck with the usual ♥♥♥♥ and it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Runick Tip is basically Pot of Greed for the deck on either players turn.

But maybe that's cause i'm playing Labrynth/Exosister. Which literally cannot play if you banish my ♥♥♥♥.

Ban pot of greed and adds 3x Max C and other cards that has an even more busted effect then that card.

Just one of top 100 reasons why this game are losing 3000 players/month.

Another person who has no idea how Yugioh works. Sure Maxx C and other cards are strong enough to ban. Pot however is beyond all of them. There is no deck in existence that wouldn't be better if it ran 1-3 pots of greed. This is true in any format that allows spells to be played at all. That is why pot should stay banned. Its not a choice. Its a slot in your deck you can't use because it belongs to pot.

[TWA68]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by Astrallight:

Ban pot of greed and adds 3x Max C and other cards that has an even more busted effect then that card.

Just one of top 100 reasons why this game are losing 3000 players/month.

Another person who has no idea how Yugioh works. Sure Maxx C and other cards are strong enough to ban. Pot however is beyond all of them. There is no deck in existence that wouldn't be better if it ran 1-3 pots of greed. This is true in any format that allows spells to be played at all. That is why pot should stay banned. Its not a choice. Its a slot in your deck you can't use because it belongs to pot.

I’m sorry but I will understand the reactions people have to Pot of Greed being unbanned, seriously they act like the world will end because of it. When you’ve got decks going through 1/4 + of their deck on their first turn, then I’m sorry buy a simple draw 2 doesn’t seem so bad. People act like whoever plays Pot first auto wins and it’s ridiculous. I’ve played against Eldlich who use Extravagance which is then basically is Pot of Greed and I’ve still beaten them. Nobody says Pot of Greed isn’t strong, for me it’s the reactions people have if unbanned it is mentioned.

Personally I’d rather play against a deck that uses Pot of Greed then against one that uses There Can Be Only One, or Skill Drain.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by TWA68:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Another person who has no idea how Yugioh works. Sure Maxx C and other cards are strong enough to ban. Pot however is beyond all of them. There is no deck in existence that wouldn't be better if it ran 1-3 pots of greed. This is true in any format that allows spells to be played at all. That is why pot should stay banned. Its not a choice. Its a slot in your deck you can't use because it belongs to pot.

I’m sorry but I will understand the reactions people have to Pot of Greed being unbanned, seriously they act like the world will end because of it. When you’ve got decks going through 1/4 + of their deck on their first turn, then I’m sorry buy a simple draw 2 doesn’t seem so bad. People act like whoever plays Pot first auto wins and it’s ridiculous. I’ve played against Eldlich who use Extravagance which is then basically is Pot of Greed and I’ve still beaten them. Nobody says Pot of Greed isn’t strong, for me it’s the reactions people have if unbanned it is mentioned.

Personally I’d rather play against a deck that uses Pot of Greed then against one that uses There Can Be Only One, or Skill Drain.

You missed the point. Its not that its an auto win, its that its an auto include. All pot does is increase consistency for every deck in the game while basically forcing everyone to run it or be sub-optimal. It will be run alongside everything good they run now, including other pot cards. There is thought that should go into including cards in a deck that doesn't happen at all with pot. You just put it in because its pure advantage. Play it and if they don't burn an ash stopping it you get to have a starting hand 1 size bigger. Pot is 2 cards in 1 for no cost at all.

Even Maxx C as crazy as it is had limits. If Floo is Meta enough you don't main deck Maxx C. It might not even be worth it for most backrow decks. Pot is always good. Graceful is the same thing. Yugioh doesn't have a resource system so we use cards for resources. That makes draw power amazing. Free instant draw power just isn't balanced.

The stronger the deck you are facing the scarier pot of greed is. Thats why most of the worse pot cards are always Meta or close to it. Extravagance has a downside, its called playing Eldlich. It doesn't work in decks that can't spare those extra deck spaces. Just like how Floo play that one that stops special summons. Its not a big deal because they locked themselves into a specific playstyle through its use. Also pot isn't once per turn. So unless they Errata it to make it once per turn it just gets crazier with each possible copy.

Some cards just can't come off the ban list. Pot, painful and graceful are 3 such cards.

[TWA68]

Originally posted by Merilirem:

Originally posted by TWA68:

I’m sorry but I will understand the reactions people have to Pot of Greed being unbanned, seriously they act like the world will end because of it. When you’ve got decks going through 1/4 + of their deck on their first turn, then I’m sorry buy a simple draw 2 doesn’t seem so bad. People act like whoever plays Pot first auto wins and it’s ridiculous. I’ve played against Eldlich who use Extravagance which is then basically is Pot of Greed and I’ve still beaten them. Nobody says Pot of Greed isn’t strong, for me it’s the reactions people have if unbanned it is mentioned.

Personally I’d rather play against a deck that uses Pot of Greed then against one that uses There Can Be Only One, or Skill Drain.

You missed the point. Its not that its an auto win, its that its an auto include. All pot does is increase consistency for every deck in the game while basically forcing everyone to run it or be sub-optimal. It will be run alongside everything good they run now, including other pot cards. There is thought that should go into including cards in a deck that doesn't happen at all with pot. You just put it in because its pure advantage. Play it and if they don't burn an ash stopping it you get to have a starting hand 1 size bigger. Pot is 2 cards in 1 for no cost at all.

Even Maxx C as crazy as it is had limits. If Floo is Meta enough you don't main deck Maxx C. It might not even be worth it for most backrow decks. Pot is always good. Graceful is the same thing. Yugioh doesn't have a resource system so we use cards for resources. That makes draw power amazing. Free instant draw power just isn't balanced.

The stronger the deck you are facing the scarier pot of greed is. Thats why most of the worse pot cards are always Meta or close to it. Extravagance has a downside, its called playing Eldlich. It doesn't work in decks that can't spare those extra deck spaces. Just like how Floo play that one that stops special summons. Its not a big deal because they locked themselves into a specific playstyle through its use. Also pot isn't once per turn. So unless they Errata it to make it once per turn it just gets crazier with each possible copy.

Some cards just can't come off the ban list. Pot, painful and graceful are 3 such cards.

I’m sorry but I’m never going to ‘get it’. The way decks can go through cards now, I just don’t see the issue.

As for the big 3, so to speak, give Greed a once per duel, have Choice banish the other 4 cards face down and make it so the 5 chosen cards all have different names. As for Charity, make it so the 2 discarded cards have to be from the 3 you drew and also banish them face down.

[Zelwy]

wasnt runick supposed to be bad without Mysitc Mine?

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by TWA68:

Originally posted by Merilirem:

You missed the point. Its not that its an auto win, its that its an auto include. All pot does is increase consistency for every deck in the game while basically forcing everyone to run it or be sub-optimal. It will be run alongside everything good they run now, including other pot cards. There is thought that should go into including cards in a deck that doesn't happen at all with pot. You just put it in because its pure advantage. Play it and if they don't burn an ash stopping it you get to have a starting hand 1 size bigger. Pot is 2 cards in 1 for no cost at all.

Even Maxx C as crazy as it is had limits. If Floo is Meta enough you don't main deck Maxx C. It might not even be worth it for most backrow decks. Pot is always good. Graceful is the same thing. Yugioh doesn't have a resource system so we use cards for resources. That makes draw power amazing. Free instant draw power just isn't balanced.

The stronger the deck you are facing the scarier pot of greed is. Thats why most of the worse pot cards are always Meta or close to it. Extravagance has a downside, its called playing Eldlich. It doesn't work in decks that can't spare those extra deck spaces. Just like how Floo play that one that stops special summons. Its not a big deal because they locked themselves into a specific playstyle through its use. Also pot isn't once per turn. So unless they Errata it to make it once per turn it just gets crazier with each possible copy.

Some cards just can't come off the ban list. Pot, painful and graceful are 3 such cards.

I’m sorry but I’m never going to ‘get it’. The way decks can go through cards now, I just don’t see the issue.

As for the big 3, so to speak, give Greed a once per duel, have Choice banish the other 4 cards face down and make it so the 5 chosen cards all have different names. As for Charity, make it so the 2 discarded cards have to be from the 3 you drew and also banish them face down.

Then you don't understand whats going on with those decks. They don't just pull those cards from nowhere. Its all part of deck building and archetype playstyles and strengths. Completely different to free advantage. Simple point is that any card which is auto included in LITERALLY every deck at all times shouldn't exist. Its just bad from a game design stand point as it turns 40 card decks into 39 cards and that 1 card you always include.

As for the big 3, so to speak. You just limited greed to 1 in effect with a possible gamble if you want to try running more copies which people might still take after doing the math. So now maybe Sekka decks choose Sekka over it but thats it. Choice is weaker for sure but just became a generic search. You just gotta have 5 cards that all get you to the end. Maybe that's ok but it probably still ends up banned. Graceful is just straight up a retrain like the new pots. Also the new effect is probably still being played in every deck. You just changed it to a choice of 3 cards after all. Pretty unlikely you have to banish anything you actually care about. This new retrained charity probably still gets banned after being in every deck and breaking consistency. Its way better than what people currently play after all.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by SirCroix:

wasnt runick supposed to be bad without Mysitc Mine?

I mean it kinda is. I can actually punch them to death after all. Mine woulda made that impossible. Saying its bad is like saying Dragonlink is bad. Its relative.

[TWA68]

Originally posted by SirCroix:

wasnt runick supposed to be bad without Mysitc Mine?

If they were, they didn’t get the memo. Some of the shenanigans you can pull with them make me feel dirty for using it. You can use them on your draw phase which means you can still use cards such as Pot of Extravagance right after, although doing that means you can’t use the field spell draw effect. I even use the Macro Cosmos/gravekeepers servant combo which seems counter productive as it banishes the Runick cards but if used after most of your opponents deck has been banished can be pretty effective to stall out. I’ll have to try it using dimensional fissure instead of macro.

[Merilirem]

Originally posted by TWA68:

Originally posted by SirCroix:

wasnt runick supposed to be bad without Mysitc Mine?

If they were, they didn’t get the memo. Some of the shenanigans you can pull with them make me feel dirty for using it. You can use them on your draw phase which means you can still use cards such as Pot of Extravagance right after, although doing that means you can’t use the field spell draw effect. I even use the Macro Cosmos/gravekeepers servant combo which seems counter productive as it banishes the Runick cards but if used after most of your opponents deck has been banished can be pretty effective to stall out. I’ll have to try it using dimensional fissure instead of macro.

Feelings can be pretty inaccurate to the outside world. You can be in the right and still feel dirty. Floodgates are the worst thing the deck does but every deck runs those if they can. Just enjoy yourself. If you like playing the deck thats good. If you don't just try something else.